Voss in 2013 (aka 'the Voss megathread')

[Duritz]

With the current trend of senior coaches having mentors etc. Could Roos slot into the coaches box in a Bomber Thompson type role? Especially if Harvey gets the Melbourne job (which I believe is a serious chance to occur).

Any inside info?

 

[Haso]

I have a little knowledge of the effects of generation on work motivation, values and emphasis, and really there are very little qualitative differences, and certainly no statistical differences between gen y, x and baby boomers, which themselves are close to arbitrary dividers.

An examples is this study:

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1752335&show=abstract

The paper presents evidence that person-organisation values fit is important for all generational groups and popular notions about generational differences should not be over-generalised.

The point is that generational values are less of an issue that individual player values. Some will need the hard approach, and some will need to be gently guided, in order to get the best out of each and everyone of them, rather than taking a cookie-cutter "hard arse" (Walls/Malthouse et al.) or "friend of the player" (Ratten) approach. This is likely one of the reasons why we see players being coached differently, for example the differences in the way that Polks and Ace are managed.

/"Gen Y" organisational psychologist

 

[notliondown]

I have a little knowledge of the effects of generation on work motivation, values and emphasis, and really there are very little qualitative differences, and certainly no statistical differences between gen y, x and baby boomers, which themselves are close to arbitrary dividers.

An examples is this study:

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1752335&show=abstract


The point is that generational values are less of an issue that individual player values. Some will need the hard approach, and some will need to be gently guided, in order to get the best out of each and everyone of them, rather than taking a cookie-cutter "hard arse" (Walls/Malthouse et al.) or "friend of the player" (Ratten) approach. This is likely one of the reasons why we see players being coached differently, for example the differences in the way that Polks and Ace are managed.

/"Gen Y" organisational psychologist

Well see... you said what I said... only better

Reckon you're right about the seemingly different "treatment" of players... it really comes down to a tailored, individual programmed designed to push that individuals buttons.

When you think about it, its the model the most successful business's have used for eon's.

 

[Haso]

When you think about it, its the model the most successful business's have used for eon's.

Zactly. One of the factors that comprises good transformational leadership is individualised consideration.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Zactly. One of the factors that comprises good transformational leadership is individualised consideration.

This is what I heard:

 

[Haso]

This is what I heard:

I believe I've made myself perfectly redundant.

 

[Dicky Fitzwell]

Tom Sawyer would make for a great coach

 

[Bert Man]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...o-win-a-new-deal/story-fnia3y5g-1226673402653

BRISBANE will beef up its football spending by more than $1.5 million in 2014 and implement a new development program in a move that will pave the way for Michael Voss to be offered a new two-year deal.
There is a growing acceptance on the Lions board Voss' coaching career has been hamstrung by vastly inferior levels of financial support compared to what other new coaches have enjoyed.

Brisbane rank in the bottom five on football depertment expenditure and employ six full-time coaches, while Voss' peers James Hird and Nathan Buckley, at Essendon and Collingwood, have staffs of more than 10 coaches.

Player development is another issue.Voss has been given a mandate to play youngsters, but many do not enter the senior side adequately prepared for AFL football.

It is understood some Brisbane powerbrokers are finding it difficult to pass judgment on his performances.

 

[Dylan12]

Resources, loyalty and a little time can be a winning mix for the Brisbane Lions
3 July2013
Andrew Hamilton

IF PAUL Roos rang Angus Johnson any time soon and asked for a job, the Lions chairman should probably fax him a contract immediately. And he probably would - like about 12 other chairmen if they were in a similar position. But the 2005 Swans premiership coach isn't about to start cold canvassing. Melbourne want him and so do West Coast. Both can pay more than Brisbane. Roos is the only candidate you would consider dumping Voss for and he hasn't been approached.

Clearly, the Lions' record under Voss has not been acceptable. But the board is debating how many other coaches could have made a major difference with the list and resources he has had to work with. All the side needs to do is maintain the level of effort of the past month over the second half of the season and Voss will get two more years. Of course, nine straight losses would change things. The greatest knock is that Voss is in his fifth year in charge and I still can't describe his game plan. Senior coaches I've spoken to are just as baffled. But there is no denying there have been positive signs as well - they have beaten four top-two teams in the past 12 months.

Michael Voss' hits and misses

Highlights:
- 2009 qualifying final: A win over Carlton in Brisbane's first September appearance in five years.
- Round 13, 2013: The Lions stage a 52-point comeback to upset premiership heavyweights Geelong.
- 2013 NAB Cup: It was only pre-season, but the Lions gave hope to their fans with a brilliant campaign.

Lowlights:
- 2009 trade week: The recruitment of Brendan Fevola was an unmitigated disaster.
- Round 1, 2013: The euphoria of a NAB Cup win instantly evaporated with a gutless loss to the battling Bulldogs.
- Round 7, 2011: The unthinkable happens when Brisbane lose the first Q Clash.

 

[Dylan12]

From the way you guys talk about the nutbags on the Lions FB page, I suspect they will go into a meltdown with news Voss could be re-signed for a further two years.

 

[Harris Specter]

From the way you guys talk about the nutbags on the Lions FB page, I suspect they will go into a meltdown with news Voss could be re-signed for a further two years.

It's just a few who keep whining about it. Most of the Facebook population isn't too bad.

The meltdown is going to be brilliant to watch.

 

[ZoBlitz]

I live off the tears of those nutbags. So sounds like good news!

Oh and the extra investment sounds alright too...

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yep, will savour the Facebooker tears like cognac. The day the club listens to those mouth breathers is the day we should close up shop.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Oh and the extra investment sounds alright too...

Paul Roos reserves coach.

 

[chopperduck]

Is his gameplan really that hard to see ?? I can see what we are trying to do, the players just aren't up to scratch to execute it. Just because it isn't as clear as a Collingwood around the boundary, or a forward press, or a Geelong run and carry, or Hawks short accurate kicking or a Freo bore the opposition to death doesn't mean it's there. Outside of those distinct styles you could say that about any team.

 

[Duritz]

I know our gameplan - Kick it to Browny!!!

 

[irish]

just a question , if voss wasnt a club hero and an outsider would he still be at the lions on his coaching record ? a change is only worth it if we can find a seasoned coach who can take us to the next level ie a clarkson maybe a roos , that said that isnt going to happen , but throwing money at the coaching panel and football department will that make us a better team or voss a better coach ?? i hope so but i have my doubts

 

[Elixuh]

The Voss article is on the back page of the courier. An afl story on the back page????

 

[dlanod]

Resources, loyalty and a little time can be a winning mix for the Brisbane Lions
3 July2013
Andrew Hamilton

Hey Hammo, you probably can't describe his game plan because it's already been established you don't watch the Lions. I don't have the same issues.

 

[dlanod]

just a question , if voss wasnt a club hero and an outsider would he still be at the lions on his coaching record ? a change is only worth it if we can find a seasoned coach who can take us to the next level ie a clarkson maybe a roos , that said that isnt going to happen , but throwing money at the coaching panel and football department will that make us a better team or voss a better coach ?? i hope so but i have my doubts

To be honest, no but IMO that would be because if it wasn't a club hero coaching us they would've lost the playing group at some point over the rebuild. That would've sounded the death knell. Overall finals first year, and then finding themselves stuck in a rebuild instead isn't the ideal situation for any coach, and most playing groups probably would've stopped listening to the coach two or three years in as we commonly see with other teams. That's manifestly not the case here.

 

[Monkey Daniel]

Only received a very small paragraph ( if you can call it that ) in the Hun.

Good news that other coaches cannot work out his game plan....let's beat 'em by stealth !!

Surely ( don't call me Shirley ) there's been a couple more positives that occurred in 2010,2011,2012 ?

 

[Slax]

Whilst I haven't seen anything in recent weeks to say he shouldn't be resigned I wouldn't want to be committing just yet either.

 

[LionKing]

I think if they maintain the level of effort and win a few more games between now and the end of the season Voss will probably get re-appointed. I wonder if any of the recent player contract signings were conditional on Voss being re-appointed in which case speaks volumes about the players support of Voss as coach.

 

[dlanod]

Whilst I haven't seen anything in recent weeks to say he shouldn't be resigned I wouldn't want to be committing just yet either.

I'd be surprised if there's any commitment made prior to the end of the year.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Anyone else laughing at the idea of Hammo ringing Mick Malthouse and Alastair Clarkson to ask them what Voss's gameplan is?