Voss in 2013 (aka 'the Voss megathread')

[Ceebee]

Just to throw up a couple of names...Leppa ??? Bomber Thompson ??

no and no.

 

[Bert Man]

We can find a new coach if we sack Voss.

Their are a lot of if's.

We may win every game from here on in. We may lose every game. I would like to see Vossy see the season out, because unless we put in all together very soon we will be very down on our luck when we go into the horror run.

At the match on Sunday we were so quick to go down the wings. I don't know whether that is a structural issue of its that our boys are too scared to go down the middle.

I am not a supporter of Voss staying as coach, but while he is our coach I think we need to have some faith in him. Only when he get booted if he does we should look for a replacement. A team that doesn't have faith in their coach is for me a team in big trouble.

 

[Big Lion]

Would this work?

Cameron Ling to coach us at years end with Tom Harley as development coach, Vossy if he wants to stay becomes the midfield coach and when Browny retires he slips straight into a role as forward coach.

Of course i'd love to see us come good under Voss but i just can't see it happening. Doesn't have enough tricks up his sleeve on game day to make it work. We are way too predictable. And the players don't seem to be playing for him unfortunately.

 

[MICKYCONLAN]

Would this work?

Cameron Ling to coach us at years end with Tom Harley as development coach, Vossy if he wants to stay becomes the midfield coach and when Browny retires he slips straight into a role as forward coach.

Voss should be given every chance to turn things around but...No more inexperienced coaches.

 

[wantok]

The coach needs to be able to impart his thinking through overall strategy as well as game day planning and execution. He must engender a culture that leads to a sense of ongoing personal achievement and commitment to the overall team goals and his authority. I think we need to assess Vossy and any possible replacements against those standards. Or in layman's terms we need someone who knows their footy, is an intelligent conceptual thinker who has leadership aspirations and capabilities.
With that in mind may I suggest Mark Bickley, Brendan Lade and from left field Ben Hudson (I'm serious) as possible contenders.

 

[Vince]

Roos seems Sydney through and through. Does he still have a soft spot for the team he originally came from and captained?

I was at the Hall of Fame Dinner last year and when Roos spoke on stage there was real passion as he spoke to the group of present players as well as to the crowd.

 

[TheBiz]

The coach needs to be able to impart his thinking through overall strategy as well as game day planning and execution. He must engender a culture that leads to a sense of ongoing personal achievement and commitment to the overall team goals and his authority. I think we need to assess Vossy and any possible replacements against those standards. Or in layman's terms we need someone who knows their footy, is an intelligent conceptual thinker who has leadership aspirations and capabilities.
With that in mind may I suggest Mark Bickley, Brendan Lade and from left field Ben Hudson (I'm serious) as possible contenders.

if we were to go down the path of another untried senior coach (which I highly doubt will be the case), then surely scott burns, leigh tudor, brett kirk, simon goodwin, blake caracella, adam simpson and nathan bassett all have the right CV for the job.

 

[Ceebee]

The coach needs to be able to impart his thinking through overall strategy as well as game day planning and execution. He must engender a culture that leads to a sense of ongoing personal achievement and commitment to the overall team goals and his authority. I think we need to assess Vossy and any possible replacements against those standards. Or in layman's terms we need someone who knows their footy, is an intelligent conceptual thinker who has leadership aspirations and capabilities.
With that in mind may I suggest Mark Bickley, Brendan Lade and from left field Ben Hudson (I'm serious) as possible contenders.

Nah, Huddo will retire again at the end of the year and be back playing for his fifth club next year.
Bickley is an interesting one, where is he at now?
Loved him as a player.

 

[wantok]

Nah, Huddo will retire again at the end of the year and be back playing for his fifth club next year.
Bickley is an interesting one, where is he at now?
Loved him as a player.

Assistant coach at Adelaide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bickley

 

[Dylan12]

I was at the Hall of Fame Dinner last year and when Roos spoke on stage there was real passion as he spoke to the group of present players as well as to the crowd.

Yep, forget that. Roos was particularly impressive that evening in regards to the club, although I doubt he will be leaving Sydney any time soon.

 

[13Beast]

Nah, I couldn't disagree more with this. Voss doesn't come across as the type of guy you would want to cross. I'm beginning to think a large number of the playing group has gotten comfortable under Voss and for some, I'm hoping from Voss's point of view, is the last straw. I'm definitely questioning Voss's tenure, but I'm now questioning a lot of our players. I am coming to the realisation that many aren't as good as they are made out and losing some won't be as a big a disaster as I probably thought 4 weeks ago.

I am particularly pleased by these recent comments from Voss:



I'd like to think now that this result is going to be the straw that breaks the camels back in regards to a more ruthless Voss towards the players. The players have had their chance as far I'm concerned, and Voss's future really is in their hands, they either play for him or don't, but you'd have to think if the message is not getting through, then we will not have any alternative but to move him on.

Voss talks way too much to the media for my liking. And in a soft manner. I hate that. Angry mongrels of coaches only front post-match conferences after a loss because they have to... and you can see how p*ssed off they are, as all they want to do is get back to their job. Everything about Voss, his body language, the way he talks/fronts the media, shots of him in the box and with the players, strikes me as somebody who is totally winging it. He has a lot to learn. Maybe he will become a good coach in the future, but it could be a while. Really wished he'd learnt the craft elsewhere for a long time before taking the top job with the Lions.

 

[Dylan12]

Voss talks way too much to the media for my liking. And in a soft manner. I hate that. Angry mongrels of coaches only front post-match conferences after a loss because they have to...

All coaches and now one player are required to front the media after every game. No ifs, but whatever. It is a requirement. And when do you see coaches going off their lid at press conferences? Rarely, unless you are that Parrammatta coach whose name escapes me.

 

[Football Pope]

If Voss wasn't to be reappointed, I'd hope we would make enquiries with John Worsfold. From my days living in Perth, and having attended the odd corporate lunch that Worsfold was speaking at, I rate him quite highly. Apparently, all is not well out west, and I reckon a club like ours could be the sort of challenge that would appeal to Woosha.

No doubt we will do our due diligence, but we must explore every option when the time come's and with a bit of luck that won't be for a number of years.

I like Worsfold..this season has the same win loss ratio of Voss..

 

[13Beast]

A bit like Brett Ratten at the Blues, nice bloke, all the players liked him, but none of them feared him.

Yes, and just like Ratten, he was an old boy from the club...only a few years out of the playing group. Clearly, both Ratten and Voss bleed for their clubs and want nothing more than to see success. But...they are too close to it and perhaps want that TOO much.

As somewhat of a correlation, I used to work in the film business, and I often shied away from being involved with writer-director projects, instead preferring an independent/working director to take on somebody else's script and bring it into fruition. For many reasons - they are more objective, impartial, and are able to look at the whole picture from top to bottom with a rational and clear mind...not one tainted by being too 'close' to the source material (or club/players if you will in Voss/Ratten's case). Also, they were being paid to perform a directing job. Often a lot of writer/directors (those who have written their script and then make it) were far too attached to their source script, and unable to make the right decisions nor make decisions promptly and rationally. In fact, they were often quite immobile and would often 'freeze' like deer in the headlights and be unable/too myopic to consider/think of other options or make alternate decisions/compromises.

Perhaps not the best analogy, but you can see how somebody coming into a script (or club) from the outside, with no prior attachments to the said script/club would be able to operate more freely and to their utmost capacity.

 

[Football Pope]

if we were to go down the path of another untried senior coach (which I highly doubt will be the case), then surely scott burns, leigh tudor, brett kirk, simon goodwin, blake caracella, adam simpson and nathan bassett all have the right CV for the job.

Throw John Blakey & Steven King into the mix..

 

[archangel1979au]

Need a coach with some mongrel that won't put up with mediocracy. For Christ sake Vossy fire up.

The Scott brothers have a lot of passion in the box and even figjam gets quite animated.

All we seem to see is Vossy with the grin or smile.

Who are the assistant coaches out there that had mongrel about them? What is Dean Soloman or Sean Wellnan like from left field?

I would take Williams or even Ayres at this stage lol.

Bickley doesn't come across like a mongrel type coach. Was a good player though.

 

[13Beast]

Roos, Eade, Williams and Harvey stand out as the experienced coaches who I'd personally consider as having a bit to offer. Ordered by preference. Not as down on Harvey as some but I'd be looking for close to a full reboot of our football department and that puts him at a disadvantage.

Harvey may just be another very good assistant coach yet lousy head coach. I don't remember him doing anything with Freo in his years at the helm. And the Dockers have had a solid list for years now.

 

[13Beast]

Roos seems Sydney through and through. Does he still have a soft spot for the team he originally came from and captained?

I think Roos' plays it up quite coyly and keeps his cards close to his chest. Never know what he might do if the right offer came along.

 

[Football Pope]

Harvey may just be another very good assistant coach yet lousy head coach. I don't remember him doing anything with Freo in his years at the helm. And the Dockers have had a solid list for years now.

Maybe...but most say that 2nd time around they are far better coaches

 

[Mr Ripper]

Can we change the title of this thread to "the name a random assistant coach from another club thread"?

 

[Mr Ripper]

PS Nathan Clarke.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Zombie Norm Smith?

 

[BlackCaviar]

From where i was sitting on sunday , looks to me the players are not playing for him
Put the hole leadership players on notice because all of them look like they don't care

 

[Cousin Jed]

Mal Meninga

 

[mpal6]

Steven Dank. oh wait.. wrong thread.