Review vs Adelaide autopsy thread

[32Crow]

The table is for the 22. Link something that is false and we can go enlighten them too.

cannot find that source

anyway,
"Exciting talented extremely young team with the future in Front of us, or old under-achieving with their best player rumoured to be leaving?"

remains an incorrect statement looking at that table which shows our side's players are 2mths older than your side, by average

 

[Testekill]

cannot find that source

anyway,
"Exciting talented extremely young team with the future in Front of us, or old under-achieving with their best player rumoured to be leaving?"

remains an incorrect statement looking at that table which shows our side's players are 2mths older than your side, by average

And you guys had four more 100+ gamers. You had a far more experienced team out there

 

[Gmod23]

cannot find that source

anyway,
"Exciting talented extremely young team with the future in Front of us, or old under-achieving with their best player rumoured to be leaving?"

remains an incorrect statement looking at that table which shows our side's players are 2mths older than your side, by average

2 months, is still 2 months.
It was possibly the oldest side we selected all year.

 

[Mattdougie]

don't care about your stupid table which probably represents the squads, and not the 22 chosen for the EF.
Read somewhere and cannot find it now that our average age that took the field Sat. night was younger than your side

Do us all a favour and feck right off back to your crow hole.

We don't care what you think you won well done now move on. I and many of us have no time for your football club due to its supporters and the fact that most of them are complete &&:&4&8.

So off you go and id wish you luck for Friday but that would be a lie I hope you lose and lose well.

Some of the behaviour of your fans on Saturday that I've heard about on top of what I have experienced makes me hate you ;$3&&;&!; even more and I curse you and everyone that wears that jumper to a lifetime of herpes and any other horrible ailment that mangles your genitals

Have a shite week enjoying your win as you should, and I can't wait to see Danger in blue and white hoops and listen to your hatred at a VICTORIAN when he leaves your cease pool.

Don't respond I banish you to the unseen realm of nothingness, much like the atmosphere in Adelaide on a weekend.

Cheers have a glass of lovely brown tap water for me

 

[MattyB_76]

2 months, is still 2 months.
It was possibly the oldest side we selected all year.

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

(And don't worry, I'm using the 22 who played on the day, according to afltables.com, not trying to pass it off as "the squads".)

 

[AFDogs]

I think Tom Boyd could have made a massive difference. I dunno.

 

[doggies ftw]

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

An average age and games played list is just a stupid way to look at it, you have to take into account how many more players you have in your prime. Our players are either 30+ (with 300 games so affect those averages massively) or have under 100 games. You had 4 players in the 100-150 range which is the prime. Your best and most important players are smack bang in their prime. We've played most of the year with 12-14 players in the team with under 50 games, which is why people refer to just how inexperienced our team is. Our key posts besides Morris (whose missed a few games too) have been manned by Roberts who now at the end of this season is sitting on 19 games, Hamling whose sitting on 11 (and debuted this year), Talia whose just notched up 30 and Zaine Cordy played a few games too in his first season, thats down back. Up forward we've had exclusively Stringer who just played his 50th, Redpath whose played 15 and Boyd whose played 23 with help from Crameri as a medium tall. That has genuinely been our spine. Look at our midfield and our 3 best midfielders have been Wallis, Dahl and Bonts, a couple of 22 year olds and a 19 year old, following them closely would probably be 20 year old Jack Macrae. We've debuted 8 players this year more than any other club and we've rotated through 40 players of the 43 available.

Yes we have a few older heads filling out the flanks but theres a reason people refer to us as so young and inexperienced and a simple average age and games played just isn't going to show that...

 

[Werewolf]

I think Tom Boyd could have made a massive difference. I dunno.

Maybe. But Redpath didn't disgrace himself. He took a few good marks and kicked straight unlike some higher paid team mates

 

[immortalmike]

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

(And don't worry, I'm using the 22 who played on the day, according to afltables.com, not trying to pass it off as "the squads".)

Average age is very misleading when talking about our side because we have a few old outliers and very few in the mid-age prime years. Basically we play a team with maybe 3 to 4 players who are in their prime years (25-28), a few pensioners and a whole bunch of babies (in either age or experience). That is not the composition of a team that should be making finals.

Adelaide have a more balanced list and therefore play a more balanced 22.

 

[AFDogs]

Maybe. But Redpath didn't disgrace himself. He took a few good marks and kicked straight unlike some higher paid team mates

Didn't do enough for mine. Didn't lead out enough nor take contested grabs. At least with Boyd, he would have snagged a couple/brought them down to ground. Redpath was beaten quite a few times when we really needed a big grab.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

I like your confidence, but Richmond is a great example of how improvement isn't guarranteed.
Lets face it to have the best chance to win the flag, you need to finish in the top 2. Given our lack of homeground advantage through the regular season and the fact that we have less maney to spend on players than most of our opponents, finishing in the top 2 is extremely difficult.

Each year we have to get more right than our opponents just to keep pace with them.
We need to focus on getting back up around the top 4 next year and hope that the current positive public sentiment towards us manifests itself in terms of crowd support, sponsorship and maybe, just maybe, the lucky break umpiring decisions will go our way rather than against us as they have done for living memory.

That is totally untrue. There is a salary cap that we are more than capable of paying. Our players get paid just as much as Collingwood players.

 

[Wetdog]

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

(And don't worry, I'm using the 22 who played on the day, according to afltables.com, not trying to pass it off as "the squads".)

I don't know why some posters invest so much time in arguing about the "future". They are fruitless debates with no winner and loser.

Your team won - congratulations. In my book, that makes you the better team this year. As to next year and the year after, I guess we will wait and see. I will back my club; you will back yours. That's generally what fans will do (unless their club is a basket case - which neither the dogs or crows are).

If I was in your position, I would be focussing my attention on next week while enjoying the spoils of this week. No point wasting your energy on these types of debates. Clearly both teams have good promising lists with potential for success in the future (and in the crows case, this year!).

 

[MattyB_76]

I don't know why some posters invest so much time in arguing about the "future". They are fruitless debates with no winner and loser.

Your team won - congratulations. In my book, that makes you the better team this year. As to next year and the year after, I guess we will wait and see. I will back my club; you will back yours. That's generally what fans will do (unless their club is a basket case - which neither the dogs or crows are).

If I was in your position, I would be focussing my attention on next week while enjoying the spoils of this week. No point wasting your energy on these types of debates. Clearly both teams have good promising lists with potential for success in the future (and in the crows case, this year!).

Thanks. That's the point I was trying to make.

 

[immortalmike]

Thanks. That's the point I was trying to make.

You made it terribly.

 

[Werewolf]

Didn't do enough for mine. Didn't lead out enough nor take contested grabs. At least with Boyd, he would have snagged a couple/brought them down to ground. Redpath was beaten quite a few times when we really needed a big grab.

I saw him take at least one really good contested mark. Him competing for the FF spot with Boyd is healthy IMO

 

[Fellaheen]

Despite the disappointing result, which could have gone either way, it was one of the best football games I have witnessed in 60 odd years. Composure going into attack was missing on too many occasions and our defence got caught out too often in the first half. All fixable. The energy in the game was infectious and I have rarely heard the supporters in such great voice. As an observation this final series is not missing Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Geelong et al, the AFL is far better as an 18 team competition rather than pandering to the usual suspects


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[Wetdog]

Thanks. That's the point I was trying to make.

Happy to help. Good luck next week - should be a ripper.

 

[Wetdog]

I saw him take at least one really good contested mark. Him competing for the FF spot with Boyd is healthy IMO

I thought Redpath was serviceable on Saturday. He kicked two goals. It would have been nice for him to get involved a bit more, but I would give him a pass mark. He has played 15 games and kicked two important goals in an EF when others were missing. That's a tick for me.

On exposed form there was no certainty that TBoyd would have done any better. Hope they both have big pre-seasons and we can find some way to have Stringer, Crameri, Redpath and TBoyd all in the same team. Not sure if this will work; maybe if Stringer spends more time in the midfield and the removal of the sub will make it a more palatable option.

 

[Dogs Rule]

cannot find that source

anyway,
"Exciting talented extremely young team with the future in Front of us, or old under-achieving with their best player rumoured to be leaving?"

remains an incorrect statement looking at that table which shows our side's players are 2mths older than your side, by average

Nobody gives a stuff about your opinions, your smugness and your arrogance, so take it elsewhere.

I hope you're lot get smashed this week and they will. Can't rely on emotion every week.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Wouldn't say the goal kicking is random?

If you do statistical tests, goalkicking is random. The goalkicking accuracy of any given game, season or patch of games isn't reflective of the future, if you do things like statstical significance test.

One way (not everybody can or has to agree) of looking at it was we caught a bad boout of bad luck with statistical randomness with our and our opposition's randomness.

 

[Dogsman16]

I thought Redpath was serviceable on Saturday. He kicked two goals. It would have been nice for him to get involved a bit more, but I would give him a pass mark. He has played 15 games and kicked two important goals in an EF when others were missing. That's a tick for me.

On exposed form there was no certainty that TBoyd would have done any better. Hope they both have big pre-seasons and we can find some way to have Stringer, Crameri, Redpath and TBoyd all in the same team. Not sure if this will work; maybe if Stringer spends more time in the midfield and the removal of the sub will make it a more palatable option.

Removal of the sub will allow teams to play an extra tall. I hope Redpath can swing back into defence on occasions also too and Boyd play secondary ruck.

 

[Fossie 32]

If you do statistical tests, goalkicking is random. The goalkicking accuracy of any given game, season or patch of games isn't reflective of the future, if you do things like statstical significance test.

One way (not everybody can or has to agree) of looking at it was we caught a bad boout of bad luck with statistical randomness with our and our opposition's randomness.

 

[TiAn_]

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

(And don't worry, I'm using the 22 who played on the day, according to afltables.com, not trying to pass it off as "the squads".)

You're actually trying to mount an argument that your list profile and potential is comparable to ours? And you're basing it on games played averages?

Let's explore this. Here's a list of our respective players 22 or under that averaged 14+ disposals in at least 11 games this year:

Dogs:-
Stringer
Bontempelli
Wallis
Macrae
Hunter
Johannisen
Jong
Talia

Crows:-
Laird
Crouch
Ellis-Yolmen

Make your argument. GO!

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

old under-achieving?
if you wanna know the facts, the Adelaide team that played you on Sat. night in the EF was YOUNGER, by average, than your team...

You're dreaming.

Really coincidentally, it was the 3rd oldest team you've put on the park this year, but the most experienced according to games.
It was also the 3rd oldest team the Crows had on the park this year and ... the most experienced according to games.

Your oldest this year was 25y 76d against the Tiges in R2. Our oldest was 25y 86d against the Power in R5.

Your youngest was against us in R4 23y 32d, ours was 24y 96d R8 v Giants.

So not as different as expected.

(And don't worry, I'm using the 22 who played on the day, according to afltables.com, not trying to pass it off as "the squads".)

The addition of Minson made it older, it didn't change the fact that the majority of our list are aged 19-24. Yep that's right, Bont 19, Stringer 21, Dahl 23, Biggs 24, Baillay 19, Hamling 22, Honeychurch 22, Hunter 20, Lin Jong 20, McCrae 21, Redpath 24, Roberts 22 and Wallis 23. These are the core of our team, propped up by veterans. Just as well you beat us now, because you won't get close in a year or two.

 

[Dogs Rule]

All this argument about age and which club has the youngest list is like a p***ing contest. Totally pointless.

It's not the age of the players it's the quality and I'm more that happy with Stringer, Bontempelli, Dahlhaus, Macrae, Boyd, Hunter, Liberatore etal.

Let the Crows fans go off and pull themselves and dream about how good they are and how close to a flag they are because it ain't going to happen. Then when Dangerfield walks, well, that's got to hurt.