WADA threat looms for Cousins

[Obi-Haive]

Funnily enough it seems WADA might want the same answers

Has he been tested on match day?

Why did worsfold play a player he knew was in breach of his contract in taking banned substances during the week.

You are must be playing devils advocate because surely mate, you cannot be this stupid!

You are being told time and time again yet you still keep harping on with the same worn out argument and claim you're winning the debate!

I'm not answering this question any more! If you aren't happy with what countless other people are telling you then go on and relish the fact that you've won but seriously mate, you're the one with the delusions.

 

[MeeSo]

We all know NOW that Cousins has a serious problem. Back then the club knew he had an issue but it knew neither the extent of it or its exact nature. It appears quite clear that the problem has gotten much worse since then anyway. The Eagles became aware of the problem, he missed a game, they advised him his failure to train was unacceptable, he improved his performances on and off field. The club at no stage have said they sent him out knowing he was using drugs. the entire basis for your 3 days of dribble is a leap of faith as to what Worsfold knew based on absolutely nothing at all.

Ignorance is not a defense. The club (and most of the AFL community) knew there were issues and they failed to address the problem until it was too late. They needed to be proactive but instead asked a few soft questions and hid behind the AFL's drug testing.

 

[Eagle87]

lol

How can you address an issue if you dont know what the issue is?

Worsfold said they knew the issue in July. Drugs are the issue, he knew he was using drugs as far back as July

Simple, for those who can see logic, are you so bereft of logic?

I agree that the Eagles became aware of the issue being drugs in July. I do not agree that that means they knew of continuing drug use for the rest of the season.

They acted, the player behaviour improved. The player met all expectations - as far as the club was aware.

The knowing of an issue in July and the being aware that the issue continued from July to September are 2 separate, mutually exclusive things.

This is VERY simple to understand.

You are a confused person. Seek help. Now.

 

[FuManchu]

This is simply crap. Woosha said the club knew there was an issue, addressed the issue, the player gave undertakings, clearly the players form improved and he met the requirements... given that, how the hell would Woosha know that he was using banned substances still?

So you take the word of a person in breach of his contract?

You take the word of someone who refused to answer questions regarding his associations with the Perth underworld?

You take the word of someone who abandoned his girlfriend and ran away from a booze bus?

BTW, why is he now prepared to suspend a player for breach of contract, when his breach of contract was no different in July?

You know worsfold knew, you know worsfold admitted this when he said he knew the issues in July

You cant win this

 

[Obi-Haive]

Ignorance is not a defense. The club (and most of the AFL community) knew there were issues and they failed to address the problem until it was too late. They needed to be proactive but instead asked a few soft questions and hid behind the AFL's drug testing.

Welcome to 5 pages ago!

Read the posts in the rest of this thread and you might get your answer!

 

[Eagle87]

So you take the word of a person in breach of his contract?

You take the word of someone who refused to answer questions regarding his associations with the Perth underworld?

You take the word of someone who abandoned his girlfriend and ran away from a booze bus?

BTW, why is he now prepared to suspend a player for breach of contract, when his breach of contract was no different in July?

You know worsfold knew, you know worsfold admitted this when he said he knew the issues in July

You cant win this

*shakes his head in disbelief and walks away*

*once again is given pause to reflect on the democratic system with its one vote for all - even the criminally stupid*

 

[Obi-Haive]

So you take the word of a person in breach of his contract?

You take the word of someone who refused to answer questions regarding his associations with the Perth underworld?

You take the word of someone who abandoned his girlfriend and ran away from a booze bus?

BTW, why is he now prepared to suspend a player for breach of contract, when his breach of contract was no different in July?

You know worsfold knew, you know worsfold admitted this when he said he knew the issues in July

You cant win this

Again, as has been pointed out many, many, many times now, he has been suspended because he has not been attending training.

Worsfold trusted Cousins to do the right thing as any coach would and should and in the end, again for the mentally challenged reading this, Worsfold and the club were bound by the rules of the AFL and the AFLPA.

Do you get it or are you skipping the words of 2 syllables or more?

 

[FuManchu]

*shakes his head in disbelief and walks away*

*once again is given pause to reflect on the democratic system with its one vote for all - even the criminally stupid*

otherwise interpreted as

I lost, worsfold played a known drug user, in breach of his contract and AFL rules

 

[FuManchu]

Again, as has been pointed out many, many, many times now, he has been suspended because he has not been attending training.

Worsfold trusted Cousins to do the right thing as any coach would and should and in the end, again for the mentally challenged reading this, Worsfold and the club were bound by the rules of the AFL and the AFLPA.

Do you get it or are you skipping the words of 2 syllables or more?

he was using drugs and not attending training in July, no differnt as now

but onto more pertinent matters

Why trust him, when you obviously have had trust issues prior to this and he has failed these.

BTW, the minute he knew Cousins had used a drug during the week, should have been the time to stand him down.

 

[Eagle87]

otherwise interpreted as

I lost, worsfold played a known drug user, in breach of his contract and AFL rules

Using your logic, if someone argues that 2+2 = 5 and I explain that actually it equals 4 but the individual involved stands their ground and says nope its 5 and keeps saying it over and over and over and over again, and I walk away realising that arguing with idiots is ultimately pointless, does that mean it actually does equal 5?

Didnt think so.

 

[FuManchu]

Using your logic, if someone argues that 2+2 = 5 and I explain that actually it equals 4 but the individual involved stands their ground and says nope its 5 and keeps saying it over and over and over and over again, and I walk away realising that arguing with idiots is ultimately pointless, does that mean it actually does equal 5?

Didnt think so.

all you have argued is the 'johnny howard firewall defence'.

Arguing that you know nothing yet stating that you know the issues, and have addressed the issues, is contradictory.

Worsfold, once he knew Cousins had taken a banned substance (once)should have stood him down, as they are allowed to accordingly as a breach of contract

 

[campbell]

all you have argued is the 'johnny howard firewall defence'.

Arguing that you know nothing yet stating that you know the issues, and have addressed the issues, is contradictory.

Worsfold, once he knew Cousins had taken a banned substance (once)should have stood him down, as they are allowed to according to the breach of contract

To people that think the AFL and the clubs actually care about the players are living in fantasyland.

West Coast knew he had a problem, pity their duty of care to him was negleable.All they cared about was winning at all costs, not matter what.



Shameful when the actual coach is a qualified Pharmacist and actually knows the risks involved.

 

[MeeSo]

Welcome to 5 pages ago!

Read the posts in the rest of this thread and you might get your answer!

Everyone knew there were larger issues than just a few missed training sessions but for some reason the club didn't follow it up. If they knew nothing you could excuse their failure to act but these issues came to light last July.

 

[Obi-Haive]

he was using drugs and not attending training in July, no differnt as now

but onto more pertinent matters

Why trust him, when you obviously have had trust issues prior to this and he has failed these.

BTW, the minute he knew Cousins had used a drug during the week, should have been the time to stand him down.

Do you actually read these posts?

Every single thing you are asking now you have asked 3 pages ago, then 3 pages before that, then 3 pages before that and so on . . . and they have all been answered then.

You really are making me laugh though! At first your constant harping was frustrating, but now it has that quaint amusement, such as you'd find it amusing seeing a dog chasing it's tail!

I'm finished with your questions . . . unless there is something I haven't already answered!

 

[Eagle87]

all you have argued is the 'johnny howard firewall defence'.

Arguing that you know nothing yet stating that you know the issues, and have addressed the issues, is contradictory.

Worsfold, once he knew Cousins had taken a banned substance (once)should have stood him down, as they are allowed to accordingly as a breach of contract

So all players who test positive should not be stood down (the rules) but those who dont test positive but are apparently drug users should be stood down???

Hmmm... interesting...

 

[FuManchu]

So all players who test positive should not be stood down (the rules) but those who dont test positive but are apparently drug users should be stood down???

Hmmm... interesting...

all players who the club know to mave taken banned substances are in breach and should be stood down, drug testing or no drug testing.

the breach of contract is not confined to the results of the testing regime. If the coach has stated that he knew in July that cousins had these issues, he should have stood him dowm

 

[zero]

You know worsfold knew, you know worsfold admitted this when he said he knew the issues in July

You cant win this

someone move this arseh*le off to bay 13

hes plainly trolling

 

[FuManchu]

Do you actually read these posts?

Every single thing you are asking now you have asked 3 pages ago, then 3 pages before that, then 3 pages before that and so on . . . and they have all been answered then.

You really are making me laugh though! At first your constant harping was frustrating, but now it has that quaint amusement, such as you'd find it amusing seeing a dog chasing it's tail!

I'm finished with your questions . . . unless there is something I haven't already answered!

you havent answered why the coach played a player he knew was taking drugs during the week

 

[zero]

you havent answered why the coach played a player he knew was taking drugs during the week

he didnt

 

[FuManchu]

he didnt

oh but he did, he stated that he knew the issues in July, why didnt he stand him down in July?

 

[campbell]

WC supporters, do you think this will all go away when the 1st ball is bounced for the season?


You are kidding your selves if you think that.


The Sydney media has its teeth into this.They will have a ball with this for a long while yet.Sydney team beaten by 1 point in Gf, and NRL town, stick the boots into our code.

It won't be over for ages yet.

 

[Underdog]

all players who the club know to mave taken banned substances are in breach and should be stood down, drug testing or no drug testing.

the breach of contract is not confined to the results of the testing regime. If the coach has stated that he knew in July that cousins had these issues, he should have stood him dowm

They didn't KNOW anything with 100% certainty - they had suspicions via rumour and his conduct.

You cannot take the work of someone telling you they saw Ben Cousins taking ice without evidence...or can you?

Be back later, im going to tell Roosy I saw Kirk, Hall, Goodes and Barry taking drugs on the weekend.

cya!

 

[zero]

oh but he did, he stated that he knew the issues in July, why didnt he stand him down in July?

no he didnt know, he stated he knew he was having problems, not their exact nature

 

[campbell]

oh but he did, he stated that he knew the issues in July, why didnt he stand him down in July?

because they wanted to make the Gf and then win the darned thing.


The coach has an excellent knowledge of what the drug actually does to your body.He can't say he is not, having that Pharmacy degree, and owning his own shops makes that laughable.

 

[FuManchu]

no he didnt know, he stated he knew he was having problems, not their exact nature

he said he addressed the issues in July, how do you address the issues in July if you dont know the issues in July?