Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 3

[Zidane98]

 

[Baldur]

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and MAGA

 

[Hornberger]

The most likely I see is another KGB / KGB puppet, who'll initially call a 'ceasefire', but not withdraw and try to negotiate to hold onto the Donbas and Crimea, 'giving up' Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in return.

Russia, regardless who is in power, doesn't get to unilaterally declare a ceasefire. The new guy can call for a ceasefire all they like, but without Russia making significant concessions (e.g. Russia withdrawing to the Feb 2022 line of control), Ukraine will not agree to a ceasefire.

A ceasefire is not a prerequisite for peace negotiations, and from the Ukrainians perspective, a ceasefire only buys Russia more time to fortify their position.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Visions]

Ok Sergei. We believe you.

 

[Andre]

Russia, regardless who is in power, doesn't get to unilaterally declare a ceasefire. The new guy can call for a ceasefire all they like, but without Russia making significant concessions (e.g. Russia withdrawing to the Feb 2022 line of control), Ukraine will not agree to a ceasefire.

A ceasefire is not a prerequisite for peace negotiations, and from the Ukrainians perspective, a ceasefire only buys Russia more time to fortify their position.

I agree with all this. The 'ceasefire' call, like the existing periodic ones, would only be to buy time and to try and turn the current situation on the ground into a permanent reality. I just can see a new Russian leader calling for one to 'show they different'.

 

[Smeg Head]

‘Utterly crazy’: PM announces more funding to Ukraine

‘Utterly crazy’: PM announces more funding to Ukraine

www.skynews.com.au

This was posted by a Sky News watcher on our board and is a bit concerning.

Why would Sky News Australia be pushing this ? I would have thought our RWNJ brethern in Australia would be pro Ukraine ?

Nah Russia has long been clandestinely funding alot of the RWNJ crowd in the west. Works a treat causing the fracturing of civil institutions.

 

[wannabejack]

Russia’s plan to relocate its Black Sea naval base from Crimea is priceless for Ukraine’s morale

Russia has lost control of the Black Sea, which will have major implications for the war on land.

theconversation.com

For Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, the recent drawbacks in the Black Sea constitute a political blow. Russia now looks weak in Crimea – which is a big problem, given the central role that Crimea plays in Putin’s imperialist narrative. In other words, there is a symbolic aspect to Ukraine’s success, in addition to the material and operational ones.

For Ukraine’s morale, it is priceless. With Russia launching its strongest land offensive in months and winter approaching, Ukraine getting the upper hand at sea would be significant. Let’s not forget that, historically, maritime preponderance has been a decisive factor in winning long wars.

 

[Dirty Bird]

‘Utterly crazy’: PM announces more funding to Ukraine

‘Utterly crazy’: PM announces more funding to Ukraine

www.skynews.com.au

This was posted by a Sky News watcher on our board and is a bit concerning.

Why would Sky News Australia be pushing this ? I would have thought our RWNJ brethern in Australia would be pro Ukraine ?

Because Sky News is anti Labor?

If the Libs were doing this, they'd be saying it's the right decision and it'll bring long term stability to the area once Russia is expelled.

 

[Baldur]

Because Sky News is anti Labor?

If the Libs were doing this, they'd be saying it's the right decision and it'll bring long term stability to the area once Russia is expelled.

I get that Sky Lies is anti-Labour but the Libs were supporting Ukraine as well. Right leaning democratic media would say that Labour is not doing enough.

Sky Lies is anti-democracy, becouse Lies Corp is anti-democracy, which thankfully the libs in Australia are not yet, unlike the republications in the US.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I get that Sky Lies is anti-Labour but the Libs were supporting Ukraine as well. Right leaning democratic media would say that Labour is not doing enough.

Sky Lies is anti-democracy, becouse Lies Corp is anti-democracy, which thankfully the libs in Australia are not yet, unlike the republications in the US.

Going down the path of saying we are not doing enough is too risky with The current cost of living crisis. She is just a Tucker Carlson wannabe.
Dutton is probably the most right wing leader of the liberals I can remember and I rekon he would be supporting Ukraine a lot more then what we currently are.

 

[tangolikelama]

Haven't heard about Belarus for a while. Is old mate Luka still around?

 

[wannabejack]

Slovakia’s Fico announces halt of military aid to Ukraine

Bratislava will only provide humanitarian aid to Kyiv from now on, newly elected prime minister says.

www.politico.eu

Slovakia's newly elected Prime Minister Robert Fico pledged on Thursday to stop delivering weapons to Ukraine, just one day after taking office.
The prime minister told lawmakers that Slovakia would "no longer supply weapons to Ukraine" and would only send humanitarian aid to Kyiv,

The new prime minister is set to attend his first summit of European leaders in Brussels Thursday and Friday, amid worries that he will team up with Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and threaten the bloc's unity on Ukraine and Russia.

Edit:

Slovenian company provides drones to Ukraine

Slovenian-made reconnaissance drone systems known as Bramor C4EYE, or Belin drones, were provided to Ukraine in recent weeks. Drone manufacturer C-Astral did not disclose how many were shipped or the exact dates of the shipments.

kyivindependent.com

The Slovenian Defense Ministry did not comment on the drones transfer, and it remains unclear whether C-Astral provided the drones independently or in cooperation with the government.

 

[jatz14]

History suggests if an army man takes over with the fear factor, and puppets remaining in place - people don't like to rock the boat and put themselves in danger. I wouldn't suggest its highly unlikely.
Russia is a proud country, and having to scuttle off back to the pre-Crimea invasion boundaries would be shameful for them.
Theres also an indoctrinated hate for the West.

Hopefully you are right, but if its true that Putin is on the way out its a precarious time.

It would be shameful, if Putin did it, which he will not, for that reason.

But a successor can blame the war on Putin, suggest it was an error on Putin's part, and pull out, claiming the moral high ground. No shame involved, except for a now dead Putin.

It would also be the best way to a fast resolution of sanctions with the West.

Putin's war was a mistake, oops, he is gone, we ended it. Now about those sanctions?

I mean, if Putin has become unpopular enough to remove, then what apart from the war and the sanctions would explain this? So, a successor continuing a policy that got his predecessor removed would be odd.

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[1990crow]

It would be shameful, if Putin did it, which he will not, for that reason.

But a successor can blame the war on Putin, suggest it was an error on Putin's part, and pull out, claiming the moral high ground. No shame involved, except for a now dead Putin.

It would also be the best way to a fast resolution of sanctions with the West.

Putin's war was a mistake, oops, he is gone, we ended it. Now about those sanctions?

I mean, if Putin has become unpopular enough to remove, then what apart from the war and the sanctions would explain this? So, a successor continuing a policy that got his predecessor removed would be odd.

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Let's hope so.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It would be shameful, if Putin did it, which he will not, for that reason.

But a successor can blame the war on Putin, suggest it was an error on Putin's part, and pull out, claiming the moral high ground. No shame involved, except for a now dead Putin.

It would also be the best way to a fast resolution of sanctions with the West.

Putin's war was a mistake, oops, he is gone, we ended it. Now about those sanctions?

I mean, if Putin has become unpopular enough to remove, then what apart from the war and the sanctions would explain this? So, a successor continuing a policy that got his predecessor removed would be odd.

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I struggle to imagine them pulling out of Crimea going down well no matter how they play it. The rest of Ukraine is a much easier sell

 

[Cap]

So what do people make of the rumours of Putin being dead .

 

[wannabejack]

So what do people make of the rumours of Putin being dead .

 

[CD Xbow]

So what do people make of the rumours of Putin being dead .

Sadly Cap, I think it's wishful thinking. The original source is a single Telegram account.

 

[Visions]

And you thought we had it bad.

Russia has yet again increased interest rates, this time by another 2% to make it 15%. It has doubled since July.

Things going real well!

Russia hikes key rate to 15% in bigger-than-expected rise

Russia's central bank raised its key interest rate by a higher than expected 200 basis points to 15% on Friday, hiking borrowing costs for the fourth meeting running in response to a weak rouble and stubborn inflation pressure.

 

[Mobbs]

In Denys Davydov's video released today he mentions that Ukrainian pilots are now in Arizona getting F16 training. He comments that this practical training takes approx 3 months or more. He also explains that the advent of this training being underway means that the theoretical training has already been successfully completed. [Denys' video on Youtube]

 

[Smeg Head]

In Denys Davydov's video released today he mentions that Ukrainian pilots are now in Arizona getting F16 training. He comments that this practical training takes approx 3 months or more. He also explains that the advent of this training being underway means that the theoretical training has already been successfully completed. [Denys' video on Youtube]

I wonder what behind the scenes work is going into setting up the logistics and maintenance hubs they will need to keep flying once ukraine has the jets.

Probably the more complicated part then training already competent pilots on new hardware.

 

[Cap]

Found interesting, apparently this guy rents satellites to do this (or people he's involved with)

 

[Cap]

In Denys Davydov's video released today he mentions that Ukrainian pilots are now in Arizona getting F16 training. He comments that this practical training takes approx 3 months or more. He also explains that the advent of this training being underway means that the theoretical training has already been successfully completed. [Denys' video on Youtube]

Does anyone know how many they are getting and what the impact may be?

 

[wannabejack]

Pro-Russian Ukrainian politician Oleg Tsaryov shot in apparent assassination attempt

Oleg Tsaryov, who sources said Moscow had enlisted to lead a puppet administration in Kyiv after Russia’s invasion, was shot and wounded in a late night attack.

www.smh.com.au

Former Ukrainian parliamentarian Oleg Tsaryov, a pro-Russian figure who sources said Moscow had enlisted to lead a puppet administration in Kyiv after Russia’s invasion, was shot and wounded in a late-night attack, family and officials said.

The attack took place in Yalta in Crimea ......

Of the attack, the source said only that “according to the situation at the moment, Tsaryov “was hit by two shots from a firearm”.
Tsaryov, the source said, was in critical condition, with doctors fighting to save his life. “But there is a good chance he will be kicking the bucket,” they said.

The 53-year-old was previously a member of the Ukrainian parliament and then speaker of the parliament of “Novorossiya”, an entity formed after Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine broke away in 2014 and began fighting Ukrainian forces.