Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 3

[wannabejack]

The security measures against unauthorized use were under Moscow control apparently.

If you have a nice car but no car keys is it really your car? You may be able to get it to turn on but it's not best case.

Also , Ukraine did not have the technical infrastructure to maintain a nuclear arsenal

If you have car keys but no nice car it's even less your car.

 

[Mobbs]

I see multiple towns / villages etc with the same name are quite common in former USSR nations. Any reason for that culturally?

I remember seeing pisstakes about the Russians getting confused at which Donetsk they were suppose to occupy (there is a Donetsk in Russia just over the border from Ukraine).

Dunno really, but there IS a lot of repetition and it's quite interesting! I am gonna guess the answer is pretty plain though. They have a lot of places that are basically just the word for the terrain etc. There's a lot of "new" towns too. Novgorod = New City, Novosibirsk = New Siberia and so on. And yeah it can get confusing - there's another Tokmak not far from Tokmak.

On top of that, a lot of names get changed (usually russified). Excuse my spellings but Bakhmut has a russian name (Artemovsk I think it is) and Simferopol is a Russian name for an original tatar name of Akmeskit (again, my spelling will suck).

Maybe "New City" Novgorod and "White City" Belgorod sound a bit weird at first glance, devoid of effort. But don't forget England has a town called Bath

Ukraine has a New York btw lol

 

[Visions]

That doesn't seem to have happened yet? To a major extent. In the very large areas of Ukraine that's currently held by rus

Heres a list. Count over 70 different incidents. You dont want to be a puppet government official stepping into a car in Russian held territory thats for sure.

There would also be a lot lot more that go unreported. The orc propaganda machine isn’t going to exactly flash the news of one of their drunken soldiers being gutted like a pig by a patriot on the evening news as that might slow the recruitment drive.

Ukrainian resistance during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia.

Also, partisan activity relates to gathering intelligence of Russian troop and vehicle positions that wouldn’t have been made public. Lord knows how many orcs were killed as a result that otherwise wouldn’t have been.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Russia recruiting more cannon fodder

Ukraine war: Russia goes back to prisons to feed its war machine

Russia's defence ministry has taken over from Wagner in recruiting inmates to fight in Ukraine.

www.bbc.co.uk

I wonder if the prisoners actually know they are just going to be used as cannon fodder to expose Ukrainian positions when they fire at them? Surely they will be aware that because they are prisoners and "society won't miss them" that they are just meat for the grinder.

 

[faible]

I wonder if the prisoners actually know they are just going to be used as cannon fodder to expose Ukrainian positions when they fire at them? Surely they will be aware that because they are prisoners and "society won't miss them" that they are just meat for the grinder.

They might be aware but also see a slim chance of freedom out of the deal

 

[Millky95]

They might be aware but also see a slim chance of freedom out of the deal

25 more years in prison vs 6 months in Ukraine and if you survive you are free

Very tempting to a lot of psychos

 

[Saint]

The security measures against unauthorized use were under Moscow control apparently.

If you have a nice car but no car keys is it really your car? You may be able to get it to turn on but it's not best case.

Also , Ukraine did not have the technical infrastructure to maintain a nuclear arsenal

But could have easily done so. They had the bombs, nuclear infrastructure (massive power plants and storage) and launch infrastructure. If they still had those nukes in storage, Russia would not have invaded, because they would have figured out how to use them by now.

 

[Zidane98]

That doesn't seem to have happened yet? To a major extent. In the very large areas of Ukraine that's currently held by rus

Lol. How's the Crimean bridge been in the last year or so? Russian military installations in Crimea? How about the subs in dry dock.
Russia can never feel safe anywhere inside occupied Ukraine. It's taking ridiculous amounts of man power and money just to maintain the invasion.


Assistance with men and troops to Ukraine would see the Russians defeated reasonably quickly. I feel it is inevitable that Finland, Baltics, Romania, Poland etc (all nations who suffer if Russia expands its empire) will eventually form a coalition to finish off the Russians and expell them from Ukraine for good.

 

[Zidane98]

If Ukraine (begrudgingly) and Russia agree to some annexation of the eastern region would this satisfy Putin. Putin won’t live for ever and hopefully the next Russian leader is more moderate.
Ukraine can then join NATO and the EU.
The eastern parts of Ukraine have been fought over many years, is there a negotiable position?
If not it seems like this war will never end, Russia ain’t going to stop it appears.
The west have too many other complexities they need to deal with (I think we dropped the ball on letting Russia and China become as cosy as they are now).

The only concession Russia might get is Crimea becomes an independent republic from both Russia & Ukraine and that it is demilitarised and that Ukraine will look to restore relations with Russia once a completely new moderate government takes over from Putin and co.


There simply is no future for Russia under Putin. It's simply unsustainable for the average person in Russia to live if Russia continues to be an international pariah. Russia is too reliant on the west for this to continue indefinitely even if Putin deludedly believes that Russia can survive without the west.

 

[LewisHall]

Heres a list. Count over 70 different incidents. You dont want to be a puppet government official stepping into a car in Russian held territory thats for sure.

There would also be a lot lot more that go unreported. The orc propaganda machine isn’t going to exactly flash the news of one of their drunken soldiers being gutted like a pig by a patriot on the evening news as that might slow the recruitment drive.

Ukrainian resistance during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia.

Also, partisan activity relates to gathering intelligence of Russian troop and vehicle positions that wouldn’t have been made public. Lord knows how many orcs were killed as a result that otherwise wouldn’t have been.

So about one incident every ten days. In a massive chunk of land. Many of the incidents minor.

Doesn't seem too unsustainable. I'm not sure why these numbers would magically ramp up if the war ends?

The elephant in the room may be much of east Ukraine is Russian or identifies as ethnic Rus so the afgan analogy may not be that valid?

 

[Saint]

The only concession Russia might get is Crimea becomes an independent republic from both Russia & Ukraine and that it is demilitarised and that Ukraine will look to restore relations with Russia once a completely new moderate government takes over from Putin and co.


There simply is no future for Russia under Putin. It's simply unsustainable for the average person in Russia to live if Russia continues to be an international pariah. Russia is too reliant on the west for this to continue indefinitely even if Putin deludedly believes that Russia can survive without the west.

There's a future without the west. Asia will be multiple times larger than the EU in 10 years' time. There'll be a lot of pain to get there, though.

 

[Zidane98]

There's a future without the west. Asia will be multiple times larger than the EU in 10 years' time. There'll be a lot of pain to get there, though.

Try telling Oligarchs and their WAGS that they have to holiday on the beach in Sri Lanka / Thailand instead of St Tropez / Mediterranean etc. Shopping in Shanghai / Mumbai / Pyongyang instead of Paris / London / Milan.

And good luck resurrecting Russian commercial aviation without western support. That's about 30 years away.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

So about one incident every ten days. In a massive chunk of land. Many of the incidents minor.

Doesn't seem too unsustainable. I'm not sure why these numbers would magically ramp up if the war ends?

The elephant in the room may be much of east Ukraine is Russian or identifies as ethnic Rus so the afgan analogy may not be that valid?

It is possible that Russia could manage it imo. Millions have fled the areas they control, they have stole children of the ones more likely to cause trouble that are left so they are probably being used as some sort of blackmail. The people left may just want to survive and plenty of people in leadership roles who are left will be getting paid off by Russia. They also don’t abide by human rights so it’s much easier for them to control people.
The advantage Russia have is that the majority of their enemies have had the ability to move to other areas of Ukraine to survive so the ones left are the easiest to control. Obviously if they had taken Kiev then they would’ve faced a guerrilla war they couldn’t handle.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Try telling Oligarchs and their WAGS that they have to holiday on the beach in Sri Lanka / Thailand instead of St Tropez / Mediterranean etc. Shopping in Shanghai / Mumbai / Pyongyang instead of Paris / London / Milan.

And good luck resurrecting Russian commercial aviation without western support. That's about 30 years away.

Have a look at Bali, Phuket and Na Trang atm.

 

[wannabejack]

Germany Pledges New Military Aid Worth 1.3bn Euros for Ukraine

The package was unveiled by Defence Minister Boris Pistorius after talks with his Ukrainian counterpart Rustem Umerov in Kyiv.

www.kyivpost.com

European Union leader Charles Michel and Moldovan leader Maia Sandu were also in the capital, Kyiv, becoming the latest officials to throw their political clout behind Ukraine during surprise trips.
A flurry of visits from senior Western officials have sought to reassure Kyiv of more military support, as the world's attention shifts to the Middle East and questions emerge over US funding for Ukraine.

The German package – worth 1.3 billion euros ($1.4 billion) and including four further IRIS T-SLM air defence systems as well as artillery ammunition – was unveiled by Defence Minister Boris Pistorius after talks with his Ukrainian counterpart, Rustem Umerov, in Kyiv.

Zelensky earlier this week met the head of the Pentagon, who announced another $100 in US military aid, and last week hosted UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron, who promised continued British backing.

German defense minister announces EUR 1.3B military aid package for Ukraine

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has announced a EUR 1.3 billion military aid package for Ukraine during his visit to Kyiv. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

When asked to clarify the number of shells, Pistorius said that this package would include about 20,000 rounds of ammunition in addition to almost 140,000 due to be delivered next year.

"Thus, we are talking about a total of 160,000 [rounds of ammunition] for 2024-2025. Then, from the beginning of 2025, we hope to increase this number," he said

Germany is Ukraine's second-largest partner after the United States in terms of military aid and other assistance.

 

[Smeg Head]

But could have easily done so. They had the bombs, nuclear infrastructure (massive power plants and storage) and launch infrastructure. If they still had those nukes in storage, Russia would not have invaded, because they would have figured out how to use them by now.

They also gave up all their strat bombers in that deal I believe.

 

[jatz14]

There's a future without the west. Asia will be multiple times larger than the EU in 10 years' time. There'll be a lot of pain to get there, though.

Why?

Seriously, this is an event I suspect will only be noticed in hindsight.

And places like Japan, South Korea are now Western anyway.

It's not a fight between the West and the East, it's a fight between authoritarianism and liberal democracy. Asia can rise and Europe can fall, and liberal democracy can still win, and vice versa.

There was the question raised of what you feel about the possibility that Asians become the majority in Australia, and what you think the implications are.

My answer is, I don't care if Asians become a majority in Australia, and I don't think it has much in the way of implications either. I don't think it changes Australia all that much. Pisses of the rwnj, but that's not a bad thing, unless they become violent, which is possible.

I think the same about the rise of Asia, I don't feel the same about the rise of authoritarianism.

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[Saint]

Try telling Oligarchs and their WAGS that they have to holiday on the beach in Sri Lanka / Thailand instead of St Tropez / Mediterranean etc. Shopping in Shanghai / Mumbai / Pyongyang instead of Paris / London / Milan.

And good luck resurrecting Russian commercial aviation without western support. That's about 30 years away.

African warlords and their wives have been buying up European goods for decades. When they have enough money, the private jets are waved through. Oligarch money is what London is built on.

 

[Mobbs]

Some kind of concert well behind the lines kn Donetsk got Himarsed with seemingly some loss of RF military, officers, possibly some WAGs and reportedly the diva who was singing there.

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[Zidane98]

Some kind of concert well behind the lines kn Donetsk got Himarsed with seemingly some loss of RF military, officers, possibly some WAGs and reportedly the diva who was singing there.

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Once the Germans hand over Taurus cruise missiles Russia really are ****ed. All of Crimea, all of Donbass and any approaching Russian vatnik columns from Russia under threat of cruise missile attack.


Russia's continued occupation of Ukraine will eventually become untenable. I see the Russians trying to do a deal after their winter offensive fails.

 

[Zidane98]

20 days in Maruiopol video out:

 

[wannabejack]

Some kind of concert well behind the lines kn Donetsk got Himarsed with seemingly some loss of RF military, officers, possibly some WAGs and reportedly the diva who was singing there.

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Moscow Choreographer Entertaining Russian Marines Among Dozens Reported Killed in HIMARS Strike

Modern dance professional Polina Menshikh was on a morale-building visit to Russia’s elite 810th Marines when precision-guided rockets smashed the auditorium her troupe was performing in.

www.kyivpost.com

 

[Chief]

Moscow Choreographer Entertaining Russian Marines Among Dozens Reported Killed in HIMARS Strike

Modern dance professional Polina Menshikh was on a morale-building visit to Russia’s elite 810th Marines when precision-guided rockets smashed the auditorium her troupe was performing in.

www.kyivpost.com

Do this sort of shit over Zoom next time.

 

[Mofra]

Do this sort of s**t over Zoom next time.

"This meeting could have been an email"

 

[ibd77]