List Mgmt. Weak Flog Jake Lever Requests Trade to Melbourne, Causes Player Revolt

Where will Jake Lever end up?

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Kane McGoodwin said:
Huh?

Jenkins, Lynch, Jacobs, Seedsman are all traded in players who played last week.
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No I mean we haven't traded in players who were best 22 at their previous club.

For example:

Jenkins hadn't played a game
Lynch 6 games in 3 years
Jacobs fourth string ruckman
Seedsman fringe
 
feenix67 said:
Aside from Gibbs we haven't really tried have we? Plus you could make a case that Frawley best 22 at Melbourne is the equivalent of Hampton on the edge at GWS I reckon.
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We don't know if we tried. Like most clubs we probably inquire about a ton of players. The ones were we got pretty close but failed were, as you said, Gibbs and Polec. It also seems like we had a good hard crack at Jeremy Cameron.

Frawley was an All Australian defender at Melbourne by the way
 

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Scorpus said:
No I mean we haven't traded in players who were best 22 at their previous club.

For example:

Jenkins hadn't played a game
Lynch 6 games in 3 years
Jacobs fourth string ruckman
Seedsman fringe
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We have generally been smart about our trading strategy, bringing in players who are not getting regular games before they joined us. This has enabled us to get value building a decent squad without top draft picks.

The alternative of say the Power route of continually using top picks to bring in missing pieces, just weakens your depth. This is only a viable strategy if you really do need that final piece.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
We have generally been smart about our trading strategy, bringing in players who are not getting regular games before they joined us. This has enabled us to get value building a decent squad without top draft picks.

The alternative of say the Power route of continually using top picks to bring in missing pieces, just weakens your depth. This is only a viable strategy if you really do need that final piece.
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I'm not slamming our ability to draft in decent players through a moneyball approach. But I do think we've gone a bit overboard which has padded us out with unnecessary depth. For example, I don't think we needed all three of Seedsman, Hampton and Menzel.

Obviously we are unable to do this for whatever reason, but if you take out two of those three players and replace them with a higher-paid best 22 player from another club or a genuine star, our list would be in excellent shape (it's already pretty good)
 
Scorpus said:
I'm not slamming our ability to draft in decent players through a moneyball approach. But I do think we've gone a bit overboard which has padded us out with unnecessary depth. For example, I don't think we needed all three of Seedsman, Hampton and Menzel.

Obviously we are unable to do this for whatever reason, but if you take out two of those three players and replace them with a higher-paid best 22 player from another club or a genuine star, our list would be in excellent shape (it's already pretty good)
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Depth isn't unnecessary if it can be afforded. Prefer to have some useful depth, rather than struggling like the Cats to cover injuries.

What would our options be like if we didn't have the Seed now to cover Smith?
 
feenix67 said:
How about stepping down a bit instead of interacting like a knob?

I didn't say Buddy wasn't a star, I said he was bought at way overs with COLA. No other club could have afforded that, and the Hawks would have kept him with their offer were it not for concessions. Nice rewriting my post.

It's also well documented that Burgoyne was a massive risk that paid off. Not unlike O'Meara, who was also bought for high draft picks despite the risk. That one looks to be backfiring, Burgoyne could have gone that way too..

Tell me, what other "stars" did the Hawks buy? And in doing so, ratchet down the attitude, or don't bother replying.
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Before you start calling people knobs how about you check the attitude at a door, read what is actually said and not get your knickers in a knot?! How about you try that?

You said Tippett was not a star and I replied that you are not getting close to $1 million per season unless you are considered a star. Not now and certainly not in 2012.

Burgoyne had a dodgy knee, he still has but he was no where near close to quitting as you are implying. His knee was no more dodgy than McLeod's knee (bone on bone for majority of his career).

Hawks recruited ready made players throughout their premiership years and keading into them. Burgoyne was by far the biggest name but they still traded in McEvoy, Gibson, Croad (getting him back from Freo even though he hadn't lived up to his potential), Gunston (more along the lines of what we do i.e. bring in a youngster) Hale (again buying under valued asset) and I am not even goint to bother about guys like Frawley (AA) and Lake who were practically pushed out the door by their previous clubs.

Burgoyne is the one that has had the biggest impact of any of those recruits for Hawks. Clarkson's Mr. Fix It.

Burgoyne, at the time he walked out of Port was one of the genuine stars of the competition and along with Lade was considered part of the best ruckman rover duo in the AFL. But yeah he was close to quitting football!
 

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feenix67 said:
Aside from Gibbs we haven't really tried have we? Plus you could make a case that Frawley best 22 at Melbourne is the equivalent of Hampton on the edge at GWS I reckon.
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Frawley was All-Australian backman while at Melbourne. Serviceable? I would like to see us recruit those serviceable AA players.
 
Levers plan in an ideal world is clearly to win the premiership with us then leave at the end of the year.

I say we throw a spanner in the works and play him in the prelim, and if we hopefully win tell him to sign a contract extension now or he's not playing in the grand final.

Thoughts?
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
What would our options be like if we didn't have the Seed now to cover Smith?
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We have a fair few players that could cover Smith. I don't even think Seedsman will cover him directly, that task will probably go to Mackay with Seedsman still on the wing. Aside from that, I'd be happy to see Milera, Gallucci or Doedee trialed in that role. I've also liked Douglas at half back and if we had Hampton but not Seedsman, Hampton could do it too.

The point is you don't need tons of depth. Seedsman, Hampton, Menzel is too much when we also have three first round draft picks not playing right now. If you have quality youth (which Geelong don't) I think you can cover reasonably well.

We've barely used Menzel this year at all even when we had injuries in his position, and both Hampton and Seedsman have been injured for significant parts of the season without any real impact on the team.
 
Scorpus said:
We have a fair few players that could cover Smith. I don't even think Seedsman will cover him directly, that task will probably go to Mackay with Seedsman still on the wing. Aside from that, I'd be happy to see Milera, Gallucci or Doedee trialed in that role. I've also liked Douglas at half back and if we had Hampton but not Seedsman, Hampton could do it too.

The point is you don't need tons of depth. Seedsman, Hampton, Menzel is too much when we also have three first round draft picks not playing right now. If you have quality youth (which Geelong don't) I think you can cover reasonably well.
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We don't have too much depth though.

You are talking like we have been dominating the sanfl.

Most of our 1st rounders are still developing ready for AFL.

Not sure why you have a problem with having some depth??
 
mick500 said:
Levers plan in an ideal world is clearly to win the premiership with us then leave at the end of the year.

I say we throw a spanner in the works and play him in the prelim, and if we hopefully win tell him to sign a contract extension now or he's not playing in the grand final.

Thoughts?
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You are crazy
 
BunjiMac said:
Wasn't it us that ask gws to prelist him as part of the negotiation?
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Something along those lines as we passed him over the year prior and once he'd played SANFL the following year we were certain there would be interest from other clubs....much like the Sloane scenario.
 
Cap said:
fair call, I always assumed he was a trade in (technically of course)
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Luke Brown was technically traded. GWS 'drafted' him using their 17-year-old concessions and then traded him to us in 2011 along with mini-draft pick 2 for Pick 10 and the Davis 1st round compensation pick.
 
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