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Even then they don't do a great deal other than kick/mark.
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Even then they don't do a great deal other than kick/mark.
They’re guns but they’re ultimately just two players
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Yeah take nothing away from them - wasn't meant to sound like that. What I was getting at is that 7cm difference could mean you're better at ground level. I concur with you though, there's a huge love affair going on with the taller the player the better the KPF these days, realistically the King twins are probably an exception really.
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Umm yeah I watched his interview, umm and thought the same umm thing.
I hope umm he doesn’t develop umm a stutter step in his run up for umm set shots.
As has always been the case, a good big player will beat a good small player. We are now seeing very tall players who have both the skill and athletic ability to be good players. Tough to defend against!
McKay is decent but he only gets so many bags because Carlton have no one else to kick to
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Wouldn't he be doubled and tripled with defenders then?
McKay is a great young key forward.
Not sure it works like that really. I rate him but I’m not sure 58 goals in a year warrants suggesting you have to be 204 cm to be successful as a key forward these days.
I agree being ruckman height and agile makes you hard to match up against as a forward, but I don’t buy this idea that 195 cm forwards will be dominated by this new supposed crop of 200 cm full backs.
Yeah it's more about having 2-3 elite qualities than specifically meeting a height or weight quota.
Jack Darling averages almost 2 goals per game at 191cm
Taylor Walker and Jack Reiwoldt are 193cm
Ben Brown is 200cm but not anywhere near as athletic as the Kings or McKay
Naughton is 195cm
All are difficult match ups for varying reasons.
There are definitely more 200cm+ players coming through with an athletic profile that would historically be matched only with shorter players, but elite key forwards will be a handful regardless of whether they are 193cm or 203cm
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Listening to his pressers, he seems to state his athleticism and endurance as one of is strengths. Jack Darling was able to be a great undersized KPF cause he had a great endurance, straight line speed and strength to match bigger defenders. Williams has a few of those Darling like traits to play taller.
Um whats stopping him growing taller and getting bigger and stronger?
Isnt he a low ager?
Harry Edwards grew another 5cm after we drafted him, most kids do.
And they lose the puppy fat and put on muscle.
As far as I know he height tested at 194 in 2020 and 195 at the draft combine. I seriously doubt he grows more than another cm. Yes he is a low ager but all kids stop growing at different stages. My dad was 188cm on his 15th birthday and didn't grow another cm. I was 174cm when I joined the Navy at 17 and 180 when I finished category training. I'm now somewhere between 177-178 as i lost a couple of centimetres after badly damaging my back, neck and shoulders in an accident. Williams has been like a man playing against boys strength wise. He may lose the puppy fat, put on some more muscle and become one of those guys who is just really strong for their size. Like Darling or Lynch or Cunnington. He has a good, not great leap, isn't slow (isn't fast relative to AFL key defenders) but certainly isnt overly agile from what i've seen. Whether or not that is enough to carve out a career at AFL level we'll see and as he's now an eagles player I really hope he does.
But I stand by my pre-draft profile of him being a tweener at AFL level who will most likely carve out an amazing WAFL lever career but won't make it as a key forward at AFL level. I hope im proven wrong but in a draft that was considered weak on talls I didn't have him in my top 10 tall prospects in the draft and didn't want us to take him.
Williams is obviously still growing. Listed as the same height as Bazzo, now clearly taller.
Saw him next to Barrass, he's looks bigger than him too.
He has a big soft body still, not a hardened body like an 18 year old Darling or Bailey Williams.
Saw him next to Barrass, he's looks bigger than him too.
He has a big soft body still, not a hardened body like an 18 year old Darling or Bailey Williams.
thats his top half but his legs are absolute tree trunks. For KPP thats a huge tick and could be someone very hard to move off the ball drop when he plants them (aka like a Hawkins)
Yeah he's got a couple of handy tools for a KF with the big legs and bucket hands.
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Best game for the club and is starting to look at home at AFL level .
After rucking well around the ground last week vs a rampant witts he backed it up with this week with
15 disposals 4 hit outs 4 i50s 3 marks 2 clearances and 3 goals
After rucking well around the ground last week vs a rampant witts he backed it up with this week with
15 disposals 4 hit outs 4 i50s 3 marks 2 clearances and 3 goals
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If the rumours of Waterman being injured turns out to be true, he's gonna become a more focal target next week.
Gonna be a big challenge for him with a top 2 key defender on him.
Last night's performance should be good preparation for him.
Gonna be a big challenge for him with a top 2 key defender on him.
Last night's performance should be good preparation for him.
Yeah looks a genuinely competitive ruck option who is capable of taking a mark and converting. No fuss about him. Really impressed.
He's a player not many would even have considered at the start of the year and is in the frame for 20 games if fit.
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Best game so far. Still looks like there is plenty of development body wise. Hopefully we have a best 22 player from a 4th round pick.
Jack Williams is going to be a good player for us, I think he will get better without Darling in the forward line....this is what I believe could be how we use Darling in the latter part of his career - "Rowan Jones" MKII, sit him in the middle and block for both Harley and Ginbey. Be that big bodied blocker stopping the "Stoppers" and giving our future midfielders an advantage.
Best tall prospect we've had since those 8 wonderful years of Fraser Mcinnes.
Don't @ me.
Although Jilliams 3 goals was more than Fraser produced in any game throughout his career.
Don't @ me.
Although Jilliams 3 goals was more than Fraser produced in any game throughout his career.
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