Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

[The_Axeman]

This thread needs more smoke and fire analogies.

Typical Hawthorn, this is all just smoke and shadows behind the windows.

 

[threesixpio]

This thread needs more smoke and fire analogies.

I smell a rat

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[MasterSamurai]

While others will stick their heads in the sand & treat every contrary opinion as a personal attack. Bigfooty team boards are famous for that kind of thing.

Anyone else remember how hard a small minority of vocal posters on this board defended John Barker back when he was coaching our forwardline, when it contained Franklin, Roughead & Rioli but resembled a dog's breakfast? Yeah. The club isn't always right, and supporting it doesn't demand blind faith despite some people here convincing themselves it does.

So yeah, the last thing JOM needs is another year out of football. I have no objection to them wrapping Cyril in cotton wool but O'Meara has to make it back onto the park in the second half of the year even though we won't be playing for anything. To sit out the rest of the year would be a disaster for his development having already missed two years, maybe they should think about giving him limited midfield time and longer or more frequent rests on the bench.

this 100%! theres no two ways about it, Jagear HAS to play this year, as ive said a few pages back, if he misses this year as well, that's 3 seasons of basically little or no football!! we have given up a fair bit, doesn't matter how some posters wanna paint it, in fact we may have given up enough so we cant do anything for another year at trade table because of it, so yeah, excuse us if we WANT to see Jagear playing football for us out there.
I was and still am excited to see Jag come to the Mighty Hawks and I hope he has a brilliant long career at the Hawks and cant wait to see him out there.

 

[threesixpio]

It's hard being patient with it. Tom has been an absolute hit and would love to see a great partnership between these two. Hopefully we will in the second part of the year

 

[threesixpio]

Shiels must have a good game. If Cousins plays well and Jaegar comes back later in the year Shiels may need to go to BH.

Step up Shielsy

 

[Qlder_19]

Shiels must have a good game. If Cousins plays well and Jaegar comes back later in the year Shiels may need to go to BH.

Step up Shielsy

When was the last time a Vice Captain was omitted ???
Can't recall it in my time maybe Thaihawk can help me
Yes Pup hasn't been near his best but he has a handful of mates

 

[Qlder_19]

If Cousins does step up and Jaeger gets fit
Then we need Pup more than ever

As clarko has said too much is being left to too few.
The coaches stats are the one's that matter
As I have said previously you keep ticking those boxes and working hard at training it will work out for the better

 

[Leather Poisoning]

You ask, I will try to deliver:

Have you listened to any machine head track commentary on Spotify? It's terrible. Rob Flynn just mashes together words that he thinks sound cool rather than the songs being about anything.

 

[Thaihawk]

Closing this thread reminds me of Thai road rules. No one takes/took any notice.

 

[Hawthorn United]

Closing this thread reminds me of Thai road rules. No one takes/took any notice.

You know that striped "island" between the exit of the freeway and the freeway itself? Our taxi once stopped there to check that he was on the right route. I was shitting myself at the position he chose to stop.

 

[Qlder_19]

Closing this thread reminds me of Thai road rules. No one takes/took any notice.

My apologies I didn't realise where I was.
I was just trying to be positive to Pup

 

[RobHawk]

I smell a rat

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Please let it be another John Platten.

 

[Thaihawk]

My apologies I didn't realise where I was.
I was just trying to be positive to Pup

Maybe I should have posted the threat to close the thread.

 

[Adebisi]

It all comes down to O'meras acceleration and power, if he gets that back we have a bonafide star make no mistake about it. He has an enormous amount of ability to navigate through traffic and be damaging as an attacking mid, he also runs 2 ways which is a must in todays game. We need him as the explosive Jags, that's what we need, otherwise, we effectively a very very expensive Liam Shiels.

Bingo!
Without the power he is just another average midfielder.
Interestingly he has dropped weight through upper body and legs.
In such cases you may be happy to leave the weight off his upper body (while increasing power output) but the legs need to come back in due time.
Also of note is the strength and conditioning staff's general lack of interest in weight training for power development. Interesting to see what comes of it all.
But you hit the nail on the head here.

 

[KermitJagger]

Bingo!
Without the power he is just another average midfielder.
Interestingly he has dropped weight through upper body and legs.
In such cases you may be happy to leave the weight off his upper body (while increasing power output) but the legs need to come back in due time.
Also of note is the strength and conditioning staff's general lack of interest in weight training for power development. Interesting to see what comes of it all.
But you hit the nail on the head here.

Yeah watching the gym videos I noticed we do a lot of "f*** around" exercises to tax stability, like single legged stiff leg deadlifts with a banded distraction. It's either that, or they do box squats on a smith machine which encourages very, very dysfunctional movement patterns and zero explosiveness and power.

I've never understood it, but it very well could be above my pay grade.

 

[tige19]

Yeah watching the gym videos I noticed we do a lot of "f*** around" exercises to tax stability, like single legged stiff leg deadlifts with a banded distraction. It's either that, or they do box squats on a smith machine which encourages very, very dysfunctional movement patterns and zero explosiveness and power.

I've never understood it, but it very well could be above my pay grade.

We've had an obsession with breeding marathon runners with physiques of jockeys, it worked for a long time because the lads had such a high skill level and we beat side with precision ball movement and effectively playing keepings off. The last few years the league has veered back in favour of contested beasts, real brutes and I think that's where we have really struggled.

The recruitment of Jags and Tom was the first step of countering that, I hope we don't feel the need to strip Jags down to a skinny jumps jockey.

 

[Great 2008]

This thread needs more smoke and fire analogies.

One part of me thinks O'meara will come good. Another thinks this trade could be a monumental f. up. Has been my position since the start of this thread.

Thanks for adding your name to the smart ares list in this thread.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

This thread needs more smoke and fire analogies.

Where there's smoke there's daggers. Mainly in JOM's back.

 

[benfranklin]

All the hoo-ha about where we finish at the end of the year is grossly misplaced. I'm seeing it again this weekend, with posters hoping we finish above St Kilda.

When you actually have pick number 1 or pick number 18 in your hand, you can meaningfully talk about whether a player is "worth it".

But when you've traded your first round pick in advance, it really doesn't matter. No matter where the pick is, we don't have it come draft day. The outcome is the same for us whether it is pick 1 or pick 18.

As far as it concerns the JOM trade, the only people who should care where Hawthorn finishes are St Kilda.

The irony is of course that finishing higher worsens the draft picks we do actually have.

 

[B&GBlood]

Yeah, but the farm cost less for every possi we move up! This takes the sting from the argument of some re O'Meara, if that also means I have to hear less of how it will set us back years then on wards and upwards please.

 

[Snoref]

All the hoo-ha about where we finish at the end of the year is grossly misplaced. I'm seeing it again this weekend, with posters hoping we finish above St Kilda.

When you actually have pick number 1 or pick number 18 in your hand, you can meaningfully talk about whether a player is "worth it".

But when you've traded your first round pick in advance, it really doesn't matter. No matter where the pick is, we don't have it come draft day. The outcome is the same for us whether it is pick 1 or pick 18.

As far as it concerns the JOM trade, the only people who should care where Hawthorn finishes are St Kilda.

The irony is of course that finishing higher worsens the draft picks we do actually have.

Yeh its a shocking position to be in. As we have traded out our 1st and 2nd round, if we finish near the bottom the JOM trade becomes really lopsided, but we have a better 3rd round. But if we finish higher then the trade is less lopsided but we get worse picks. Definitely a lose lose situation for us.

 

[benfranklin]

Yeah, but the farm cost less for every possi we move up! This takes the sting from the argument of some re O'Meara, if that also means I have to hear less of how it will set us back years then on wards and upwards please.

What I'm saying is that this kind of thinking is probably just a fallacy though. The outcome matters a lot to St Kilda, but to us its just an empty hand in the first round of the draft. High pick? Low pick? We have to embrace the reality that it doesn't matter.

"Take the sting" though it may, its just us playing a psychological trick on ourselves. We don't end up with a better outcome. Its just St Kilda ending up with a worse one.

 

[B&GBlood]

What I'm saying is that this kind of thinking is probably just a fallacy though. The outcome matters a lot to St Kilda, but to us its just an empty hand in the first round of the draft. High pick? Low pick? We have to embrace the reality that it doesn't matter.

"Take the sting" though it may, its just us playing a psychological trick on ourselves. We don't end up with a better outcome. Its just St Kilda ending up with a worse one.

No comment on the reality of the outcome, simply the perception of those with falling skies.

 

[Furn2]

whats worse ?

Not having $200 or not having $400 ?

 

[vanders]

Does anyone have any insight to the training program AR has got JOM on since arriving at the club.

JOMs a massive unit, I would have thought they'd trim him down like Lewis and co over the years.

Without a sniff of evidence, I would just assume being less top heavy has to help the knees and his recovery back to peak acceleration.

It wouldn't surprise me if they trimmed him down a few kilos to take some pressure of the knee. They did the same with Burton last year when managing him through his leg issues.