Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn : Jai “Duke” Newcombe - 2024 Peter Crimmins medalist

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[MrPremiership]

That 3rd quarter today. Wow.

The kicks inside 50 to hitting targets

 

[KermitJagger]

Led the game for Score Launches (starting a possession chain leading to a score) with 5, Centre Clearances with 5, second for Score Involvements with 11, second for ground ball gets with 10. Seems like he just decides to excel at a different part of footy each week. This week he just decided he'd be the best centre clearance mid, for a change. After the bye he might decide to kick a bag for a change.

 

[toomanysquibs]

Led the game for Score Launches (starting a possession chain leading to a score) with 5, Centre Clearances with 5, second for Score Involvements with 11, second for ground ball gets with 10. Seems like he just decides to excel at a different part of footy each week. This week he just decided he'd be the best centre clearance mid, for a change. After the bye he might decide to kick a bag for a change.

Scraping A-grade in a lot of directions now is Jai, a chip off the old chisler Brad Sewell, only it's his game not his physique that is being refined.

 

[MC_9]

Future Brownlow medalist. Absolute gun.

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[MrPremiership]

Getting very good numbers, like 25+ each week, but they are all impactful. No cheapies or stat padding.

Watching the goals only, at least 5 of them were direct results of Newcome F50 entries

 

[MC_9]

Also loving his penetrating kicks into the forward 50. Strong in close, and damaging with his kicks is such a rare and exciting combination.

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[buddy2fernando]

Now gone past golden boy Nick Daicos in the Champion Data AFL Player Ratings

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[cryptor]

Seeing him continually play so well knowing that the Swans were so miffed we were able to get him that they complained enough to get draft rules changed to make it "fairer" gives me life.

 

[play2win]

Seeing him continually play so well knowing that the Swans were so miffed we were able to get him that they complained enough to get draft rules changed to make it "fairer" gives me life.

I still don’t get this (not your post but the complaints). “Fairer” equates to being able to employ someone at a rate they may not want to be employed at, just doesn’t seem fair to the player at all. In fact I’d take it as far as letting all draftees being able to nominate whatever terms they’d like to get drafted at, and not just the MSD. Some potential draftees will price themselves out of the market whilst others will be compensated fairer to market value.

 

[natio]

Now gone past golden boy Nick Daicos in the Champion Data AFL Player Ratings

Where do i find the player ratings? I looked on the afl website but I can't find it lol

 

[Elhawko]

Now gone past golden boy Nick Daicos in the Champion Data AFL Player Ratings

Last year he polled the same number of Brownlow votes, was in our best five players more often than Daics over the season according to the AFLs own website, had a higher fantasy point average, finished higher in our B&F than Daics did for the Pies, and of course he won the coaches award. And yet not only did he not win the Rising Star, he didn’t even come runner up!

 

[buddy2fernando]

Where do i find the player ratings? I looked on the afl website but I can't find it lol

AFL Player Statistics

AFL player statistics.

www.wheeloratings.com

 

[H00t]

Last year he polled the same number of Brownlow votes, was in our best five players more often than Daics over the season according to the AFLs own website, had a higher fantasy point average, finished higher in our B&F than Daics did for the Pies, and of course he won the coaches award. And yet not only did he not win the Rising Star, he didn’t even come runner up!

The pies were a kick off the grand final and we were 13th.

So some of those should be in Dukes favour.

No shame in Duke coming in behind Daicos. Even this year as Daicos has been one of the best in the league this year. And in with a very good shout of winning the Brownlow with only a tight tag probably going to stop him at this point.

 

[Elhawko]

The pies were a kick off the grand final and we were 13th.

So some of those should be in Dukes favour.

No shame in Duke coming in behind Daicos. Even this year as Daicos has been one of the best in the league this year. And in with a very good shout of winning the Brownlow with only a tight tag probably going to stop him at this point.

I don’t dispute that, it’s that he didn’t even come second that baffles me!

 

[H00t]

I don’t dispute that, it’s that he didn’t even come second that baffles me!

De Koning was massive in Geelong winning a flag. Hasn’t quite kicked on this year due to injury. But when he’s played he’s done fairly well.

Just a strong year for rising stars.

What’s more important is who has the better career.

 

[Elhawko]

All true again, but on the other hand our boy played in the engine room of a poor team, often with no real ruck support, and more than held his own while the other two had the support of top-three systems around them. Anyway, lets not you and I become the grumbly kids in the backseat of everyone else's biggfooty drive with this! I think we will both be happy if Newk finishes his career asa sextuple premiership player and brownlow medalist, regardless of what the other two achieve!

 

[KermitJagger]

The pies were a kick off the grand final and we were 13th.

So some of those should be in Dukes favour.

No shame in Duke coming in behind Daicos. Even this year as Daicos has been one of the best in the league this year. And in with a very good shout of winning the Brownlow with only a tight tag probably going to stop him at this point.

I agree, no shame in coming behind Daicos. I still think that Newcombe was given the "not a first year player" penalty which was always going to come back to bite him if any first year player was in the same ballpark as him.

That said, being the best midfielder in the rising star pool despite being in the worst midfield in the league, without a recognised ruck for over half the season, should have had him rated ahead of De Koning. Even with how young he is, being a key defender in a team averaging 4 less inside 50s against than the next closest team isn't a particularly difficult role - particularly playing over half the season on the most easily defended ground in the AFL.

 

[CHUBBSS]

I agree, no shame in coming behind Daicos. I still think that Newcombe was given the "not a first year player" penalty which was always going to come back to bite him if any first year player was in the same ballpark as him.

That said, being the best midfielder in the rising star pool despite being in the worst midfield in the league, without a recognised ruck for over half the season, should have had him rated ahead of De Koning. Even with how young he is, being a key defender in a team averaging 4 less inside 50s against than the next closest team isn't a particularly difficult role - particularly playing over half the season on the most easily defended ground in the AFL.

If only someone started the rumour that he is a distant relation to lethal himself, then people would give more notice

 

[H00t]

I agree, no shame in coming behind Daicos. I still think that Newcombe was given the "not a first year player" penalty which was always going to come back to bite him if any first year player was in the same ballpark as him.

That said, being the best midfielder in the rising star pool despite being in the worst midfield in the league, without a recognised ruck for over half the season, should have had him rated ahead of De Koning. Even with how young he is, being a key defender in a team averaging 4 less inside 50s against than the next closest team isn't a particularly difficult role - particularly playing over half the season on the most easily defended ground in the AFL.

I think that one could have gone either way between the two of them. Personally I had it Daicos first then toss a coin between Duke and SDK. I was hoping Duke would get second.

But team performance unfortunately does come into these things a little. And SDK was a big part of the cats defence in why they didn’t concede much.

It’s not a shocker just a bit disappointing.

If anything it might push Duke to outperform these guys in the long term which is what really matters in the end

 

[KermitJagger]

I think that one could have gone either way between the two of them. Personally I had it Daicos first then toss a coin between Duke and SDK. I was hoping Duke would get second.

But team performance unfortunately does come into these things a little. And SDK was a big part of the cats defence in why they didn’t concede much.

It’s not a shocker just a bit disappointing.

If anything it might push Duke to outperform these guys in the long term which is what really matters in the end

SDK was a reason they didn't concede many inside 50s? C'mon. The score conceded by Geelong is beside the point, the ball got there 10% less than the next best side and 50% less than the worst side. He had a very easy job.

All that said - Team performance doesn't really come into it, finals don't come into it. Here's the list of winners and where their teams placed since 2000.

Paul Hasleby	2000​	Fremantle	12th
Justin Koschitzke	2001​	St Kilda	15th
Nick Riewoldt	2002​	St Kilda	15th
Sam Mitchell	2003​	Hawthorn	9th
Jared Rivers	2004​	Melbourne	5th
Brett Deledio	2005​	Richmond	12th
Danyle Pearce	2006​	Port Adelaide	12th
Joel Selwood	2007​	Geelong	1st
Rhys Palmer	2008​	Fremantle	14th
Daniel Rich	2009​	Brisbane Lions	6th
Dan Hannebery	2010​	Sydney	5th
Dyson Heppell	2011​	Essendon	8th
Daniel Talia	2012​	Adelaide	2nd
Jaeger O'Meara	2013​	Gold Coast	14th
Lewis Taylor	2014​	Brisbane Lions	15th
Jesse Hogan	2015​	Melbourne	13th
Callum Mills	2016​	Sydney	1st
Andrew McGrath	2017​	Essendon	7th
Jaidyn Stephenson	2018​	Collingwood	3rd
Sam Walsh	2019​	Carlton	16th
Caleb Serong	2020​	Fremantle	12th
Luke Jackson	2021​	Melbourne	1st
Nick Daicos	2022​	Collingwood	4th

I get that it's a media award and all but for mine the justification for having SDK ahead of Newc was little more than a judgment on Newc for his age and where he was drafted.

 

[grumbleguts]

Not that I ever saw lethal play, but why ot have comparisons?

Trust me it is the most accurate of all the comparisons. Screw this Wines/Petracca garbage. The only thing of Matthews he doesn't have is the Rioli-like twisting and turningeg the 1979 goal of the year:



Often he'd leave three opponents on the ground because they'd dive to tackle and he wouldn't be there.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

Trust me it is the most accurate of all the comparisons. Screw this Wines/Petracca garbage. The only thing of Matthews he doesn't have is the Rioli-like twisting and turningeg the 1979 goal of the year:



Often he'd leave three opponents on the ground because they'd dive to tackle and he wouldn't be there.

The SCG game in 79. In an era where the Swans swam in Albert Park Lake, not on the Harbour.

 

[grumbleguts]

The SCG game in 79. In an era where the Swans swam in Albert Park Lake, not on the Harbour.

Yes. I almost went to that game. Hadn't missed a game yet, but the train to Sydney has already left and I was 14, so my mum wouldn't let me fly.