Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn : Nick 'the Wizard' Watson! Rising star Nom!

[burger09]

I actually love the fact Watson didn't get a single vote in the rising star.

Firstly, it's just a pointless award voted on by
"Experts".

Just like Rioli, he will expose these "experts" as the clowns they are.

Secondly it just adds more fuel to his fire to stick it up em. Which is what he will do over and over again.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I actually love the fact Watson didn't get a single vote in the rising star.

Firstly, it's just a pointless award voted on
"Experts".

Just like Rioli, he will expose these "experts" as the clowns they are.

Secondly it just adds more fuel to his fire to stick it up em. Which is what he will do over and over again.

When you look at the winners from Rioli's year onwards - there are a lot of winners who went on to have decent careers (and some not so decent) but quite often they are far from the best player to come from their draft crop. I think not winning the RS is a good signal for a young player.

 

[The Gulden Child]

I actually love the fact Watson didn't get a single vote in the rising star.

Firstly, it's just a pointless award voted on
"Experts".

Just like Rioli, he will expose these "experts" as the clowns they are.

Secondly it just adds more fuel to his fire to stick it up em. Which is what he will do over and over again.

Blind freddie could see how good he was. The 'experts' obviously did not have the ability to look past a few early nervous moments and the behinds he kicked.

 

[KermitJagger]

Humphries disposal efficiency over those 11 games was an exceptional 86% - none of the other rising star nominees got anywhere near that. In the game against Collingwood where he received his Rising Star nomination he had 23 disposals at 96% efficiency, and also took 13 marks. I'm not a Geelong fan but I can appreciate that

Actually scratch that he played 9 regular season games. Votes for playing less than half the season?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I actually love the fact Watson didn't get a single vote in the rising star.

Firstly, it's just a pointless award voted on by
"Experts".

Just like Rioli, he will expose these "experts" as the clowns they are.

Secondly it just adds more fuel to his fire to stick it up em. Which is what he will do over and over again.

Funny isn't it, you only had to watch The Wiz for five minutes to know he had "it".

All things being equal he has an excellent chance of being the the small forward of his generation.

 

[H00t]

Actually scratch that he played 9 regular season games. Votes for playing less than half the season?

Flicking through their posting history the poster made their account to talk about Humphries and knows them personally.

So they have a bias.

 

[tl92]

Humphries disposal efficiency over those 11 games was an exceptional 86% - none of the other rising star nominees got anywhere near that. In the game against Collingwood where he received his Rising Star nomination he had 23 disposals at 96% efficiency, and also took 13 marks. I'm not a Geelong fan but I can appreciate that

Disposal efficiency for a half back isn’t a great metric to assess a player. He looks a decent player no doubt, but anyone voting for him for rising star after his season has rocks in their head.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I didn’t realise Watson didn’t get a single rising star vote last year. That’s outrageous (not that we should place much credibility on the rising star award).
Logan Morris, Caleb Windsor, Matt Roberts??
Ask their clubs now who’d they rather have if given the choice retrospectively. Perhaps the judges would have voted differently if they’d voted after the Wizz’s 2 finals.

By way of comparison, the Wizz has had a year similar to Cyril’s first year (2008) - but the Wizz had a marginally high goal scoring rate even allowing for his early season inaccuracy.

But Cyril was a clear 2nd in 2008 in the rising start (behind the legendary Rhys Palmer).

What was even a bigger joke is the only judge to give Matt Robert’s votes was Jude Bolton who no doubt watches every Swans game and then only a few others. Not a single vote for the Wiz is staggering but as most on here have said who gives a rats he’s a star and ours.

Kai Lohmann an absolute jet too.

 

[threesixpio]

I actually love the fact Watson didn't get a single vote in the rising star.

Firstly, it's just a pointless award voted on by
"Experts".

Just like Rioli, he will expose these "experts" as the clowns they are.

Secondly it just adds more fuel to his fire to stick it up em. Which is what he will do over and over again.

Cyril no rising star and Franklin no Brownlow in 2008 was the death of both accolades for me.

 

[Dewnior]

When you look at the winners from Rioli's year onwards - there are a lot of winners who went on to have decent careers (and some not so decent) but quite often they are far from the best player to come from their draft crop. I think not winning the RS is a good signal for a young player.

I think the same logic applies to #1 draft picks

 

[Mr Lizard]

I think featuring in ads for the upcoming season is a better indicator of rising stardom than the Rising Star award.

Wizard is the rising star.

 

[cs61]

I think featuring in ads for the upcoming season is a better indicator of rising stardom than the Rising Star award.

Wizard is the rising star.

I agree. Actually having Watson on the list is more valuable than any token award last year. Everyone is talking about him, he is quite clearly something very special. Not just in the forward line, but up the ground, he is going to be a serious player to have.

It is interesting how often this happens though. Clarkson missed out on coach of the year every single time, because I heard people say that it should be about improvement, and coaches on the rise, on the year he missed out. (Funnily enough it is often Gerald Healy I hear making this justification, just like he did with Sicily and AA). I think Hinkley won it one year when Port rose up the ladder.

Yet Mitchell has just had to deal with the awful Kennett hand over, tanking accusations, quite literally very nearly died last off season in the U.S, had the Clarkson/Fagan accusations which got turned solely on us as a club, and a 0-5 start where the media beats were drumming to go hard at putting pressure on him. Yet we turned it around, and became the hottest brand on and off the field in the competition, and won a final against anyone's expectations, and he didn't finish top 2 the coaches vote. In every year Clarkson didn't win it, Mitchell is exactly the type of coach in this situation he'd lose to, but suddenly it went to the more experienced coaches and criteria changed.

Wizard was clearly in a different league to everyone else except maybe Harley Reid. He wasn't merely a rising star, he was already starting to dominate games as a serious player by the end of the year. His kicking straight would have put him in the best small forwards in competition conversation, not merely in the mix for rising star. So to not get a vote in the top 3 is a head scratcher. I don't really care about rising star, but do find it 'interesting' how often the justification for an award, like Sicily who was clearly the best defender in the whole competition a few years ago and missed out on a spot even on the bench, goes the other way against a Hawthorn player in these types of things.

 

[Yardie]

Cyril no rising star and Franklin no Brownlow in 2008 was the death of both accolades for me.

You waited until 2008? 2000 did it for me.

 

[matey]

Overseas at the moment so when that vid came through and first saw that mark by the Wiz I thought finally! At training on a lead he often likes to leap early to mark the ball and has that jack in the box vertical spring. Put other players in the mix/around him they will be used as a ladder. The Wiz will lift teammates and can see that he will become a game changer for us by taking a specky, kicking a freakish goal or some other type of act. We haven’t had a player like this for sometime.

Another big shout out to Sam and the club in the way they have built this list as his X factor is exactly what we needed to compliment other areas that we have covered.

 

[Iceman!]

I didn’t realise Watson didn’t get a single rising star vote last year. That’s outrageous (not that we should place much credibility on the rising star award).
Logan Morris, Caleb Windsor, Matt Roberts??
Ask their clubs now who’d they rather have if given the choice retrospectively. Perhaps the judges would have voted differently if they’d voted after the Wizz’s 2 finals.

By way of comparison, the Wizz has had a year similar to Cyril’s first year (2008) - but the Wizz had a marginally high goal scoring rate even allowing for his early season inaccuracy.

But Cyril was a clear 2nd in 2008 in the rising start (behind the legendary Rhys Palmer).

It is not a projection award, he is a small forward who missed some games, kicked 18 goals by the end of the H&A season.

Simply put his body of work was not that impressive for a first year player.

Now do not get me wrong he is a star in the making, he has all the talent in the world and he will be better than a lot of the guys if not all of the ones that finished ahead of him. But he really was not horribly snubbed like some people are desperate to make out.

 

[Mississippi]

It is not a projection award, he is a small forward who missed some games, kicked 18 goals by the end of the H&A season.

Simply put his body of work was not that impressive for a first year player.

Now do not get me wrong he is a star in the making, he has all the talent in the world and he will be better than a lot of the guys if not all of the ones that finished ahead of him. But he really was not horribly snubbed like some people are desperate to make out.

Really? Not that impressive? Not even deserving one vote from a panel of 11 experts?
Also note that few of the vote getters also missed games.

Have you seen the Wizz’s 5 minute highlights package?
IMO he was just as, if not more, impressive as Cyril in 2008 - and Cyril was a clear 2nd in that years’ award.

I think the problem is, similar to the Brownlow, that it’s the midfielders who come under the eye and get all the recognition. You can understand that to an extent when the umpires, on the field, are awarding votes, but not from the “experts” looking at the game from over the fence.

I can’t recall a small forward (perhaps other than Cyril) who’s had such an impact in his first AFL year. And Cyril got 37 votes in the 2008 award !!!

I know it’s ultimately a fatuous award (but his disregard still gives me the sh*ts)

 

[smish]

Cyril no rising star and Franklin no Brownlow in 2008 was the death of both accolades for me.

S Mitchell no All Australian in a Brownlow year

 

[Slainte]

It is not a projection award, he is a small forward who missed some games, kicked 18 goals by the end of the H&A season.

Simply put his body of work was not that impressive for a first year player.

Now do not get me wrong he is a star in the making, he has all the talent in the world and he will be better than a lot of the guys if not all of the ones that finished ahead of him. But he really was not horribly snubbed like some people are desperate to make out.

It is a projection award, which is why it is called rising star. The whole point is to identify and recognise players who appear likely to become future stars. It is not an award for stats accumulation.

 

[Yardie]

It is not a projection award, he is a small forward who missed some games, kicked 18 goals by the end of the H&A season.

Simply put his body of work was not that impressive for a first year player.

Now do not get me wrong he is a star in the making, he has all the talent in the world and he will be better than a lot of the guys if not all of the ones that finished ahead of him. But he really was not horribly snubbed like some people are desperate to make out.

He had 43 shots on goal.

 

[Iceman!]

Really? Not that impressive? Not even deserving one vote from a panel of 11 experts?
Also note that few of the vote getters also missed games.

Have you seen the Wizz’s 5 minute highlights package?
IMO he was just as, if not more, impressive as Cyril in 2008 - and Cyril was a clear 2nd in that years’ award.

I think the problem is, similar to the Brownlow, that it’s the midfielders who come under the eye and get all the recognition. You can understand that to an extent when the umpires, on the field, are awarding votes, but not from the “experts” looking at the game from over the fence.

I can’t recall a small forward (perhaps other than Cyril) who’s had such an impact in his first AFL year. And Cyril got 37 votes in the 2008 award !!!

I know it’s ultimately a fatuous award (but his disregard still gives me the sh*ts)

His highlights are great, his talent is exceptional his body of work wasn’t THAT great for a first year player. He may have had a case for 1 or 2 5th place votes but he wasn’t horrendously snubbed from this meaningless award.

 

[Iceman!]

It is a projection award, which is why it is called rising star. The whole point is to identify and recognise players who appear likely to become future stars. It is not an award for stats accumulation.

It is an award based on what they produce in that year… yes it’s a body of work award…

 

[Iceman!]

He had 43 shots on goal.

Cool, he kicked 18.

Watson will be special, his first year he took a while to get going which is totally fine.

 

[grumbleguts]

It is not a projection award, he is a small forward who missed some games, kicked 18 goals by the end of the H&A season.

Simply put his body of work was not that impressive for a first year player.

Now do not get me wrong he is a star in the making, he has all the talent in the world and he will be better than a lot of the guys if not all of the ones that finished ahead of him. But he really was not horribly snubbed like some people are desperate to make out.

I'd agree with you, but then, we'd both be wrong.

 

[Iceman!]

I'd agree with you, but then, we'd both be wrong.

Oh well with all those great counter points you make a great argument

 

[grumbleguts]

Oh well with all those great counter points you make a great argument

That's because I've read through the thread and realise everyone else has already made them. Or haven't you bothered.