Player Watch Welcome to Port Adelaide Jack Lukosius

[Jonts]

That is the type of deal you'd want a top ten protection on NBA style

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

We just love giving away our future first. Going to come back to bite us one day

 

[all seeing eye]

Not happening. You won’t get Luko for a 10 pick downgrade.

We offered him a 6 year big money contract. He’s a former pick 2 from a super draft. If we play silly buggers he could still go to Adelaide or elsewhere.

Before he was drafted, people at Port described him as a franchise player. We have spoken to him regularly over the last 6 or 7 years.

F1, give or take some change, is the price- get used to it.

spot on, our f1 was alway going, at best they may chuck in a 3rder coming back to us.

 

[Addy23]

spot on, our f1 was alway going, at best they may chuck in a 3rder coming back to us.

I would be getting some of Suns' latter picks back. I am not sure how many list spots they have but a couple of picks in the 40s and 50s would help us and might not be used by them anyways

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

At least send a couple of 2nd rounders; pick 29 and 2025 2nd rounder back since we're taking his salary off their books.

 

[Waspy79]

We just love giving away our future first. Going to come back to bite us one day

Only bites if Lukosius is not a good player. I believe Lukosius is a good player, and I believe exchanging a F1 for him is responsible trading. The major issue will be Port being reasonable in trading with the SUNS whilst Richmond and Collingwood will make out like bandits in their unreasonable dealings with the SUNS.

 

[MrChow]

Not happening. You won’t get Luko for a 10 pick downgrade.

We offered him a 6 year big money contract. He’s a former pick 2 from a super draft. If we play silly buggers he could still go to Adelaide or elsewhere.

Before he was drafted, people at Port described him as a franchise player. We have spoken to him regularly over the last 6 or 7 years.

F1, give or take some change, is the price- get used to it.

He is not going anywhere else now? When was the last time a player nominated Crows or Port and then went to the other club? Being a Pick 2 means nothing at this stage.

If we traded a F1 on the open market, it’d probably get us an early 2nd and a late 2nd. Luko’s value is an early 2nd, with GC stumping up a little bit of his salary.

So no doubt Davies is pushing to get that late 2nd value back, could see our 2nd pick being upgraded, or next years 2nds swapped, with the balancer being how much salary GC pay (which we will never know).

 

[yepits2020]

At least send a couple of 2nd rounders; pick 29 and 2025 2nd rounder back since we're taking his salary off their books.

One of two sensible trades for us I have seen involving Luke. Yes, deal with the Suns separate to the Noble deal. F1 for Luko, + 29 + F2 or even F1 for Luko plus 23 are fair under the circumstances. Put more pressure on Collingwood.

 

[Brian McGee]

One of two sensible trades for us I have seen involving Luke. Yes, deal with the Suns separate to the Noble deal. F1 for Luko, + 29 + F2 or even F1 for Luko plus 23 are fair under the circumstances. Put more pressure on Collingwood.

Agree. But it sounds like the suns don’t want to send anything substantial back. It will be very dissapointing if it’s our future first foe luko and some very late picks.

 

[yepits2020]

Agree. But it sounds like the suns don’t want to send anything substantial back. It will be very dissapointing if it’s our future first foe luko and some very late picks.

we seem to have signalled our interest in handing over F1, probably expecting something in return. They latched onto F1 which is what I would do. Of course their position is going to be we are giving nothing back. We should have signalled F2. We are so dumb behaving as if we are reasonable.

 

[Waspy79]

Luko a previous pick 2, a proven and versatile player, has kicked several (?) bags of 5 goals, and people don’t think F1 is reasonable? F1 unless disaster really strikes won’t be any higher than about pick 5. I don’t see paying his salary an issue, can restructure the two years left on his SUNS contract over the six (?) he is going to be offered at Port. If Port want anything back something token for father son points might be a nice sweetener.

Rankine had similar inconsistency and motivation concerns whilst a SUN, was traded for pick 5 and is now elite having settled back home in Adelaide.

 

[shewho]

One of two sensible trades for us I have seen involving Luke. Yes, deal with the Suns separate to the Noble deal. F1 for Luko, + 29 + F2 or even F1 for Luko plus 23 are fair under the circumstances. Put more pressure on Collingwood.

Delusional- ask a GC supporter if that’s sensible. Not even Dodoro would try that shit on.

 

[TeeKray]

Marshall a previous pick 16, a proven and versatile player, has kicked several (?) bags of 5 goals, and people don’t think F1 is reasonable? F1 unless disaster really strikes won’t be any higher than about pick 5. I don’t see paying his salary an issue, can restructure the two years left on his POWER contract over the six (?) he is going to be offered at Hok.

 

[Waspy79]

Marshall a previous pick 16, a proven and versatile player, has kicked several (?) bags of 5 goals, and people don’t think F1 is reasonable? F1 unless disaster really strikes won’t be any higher than about pick 5. I don’t see paying his salary an issue, can restructure the two years left on his POWER contract over the six (?) he is going to be offered at Hok.

Comparing Marshall and Lukosius is tasteless

 

[Brian McGee]

Only bites if Lukosius is not a good player. I believe Lukosius is a good player, and I believe exchanging a F1 for him is responsible trading. The major issue will be Port being reasonable in trading with the SUNS whilst Richmond and Collingwood will make out like bandits in their unreasonable dealings with the SUNS.

This is exactly the point. We are reasonable in every trade deal that we attempt. Wether or not that works in our favour in the long term due to our relationships with other clubs is one thing, but we never extract good value for exiting players and rarely get incoming players for good value either.
I have always said I am happy to give a future first with something coming back for lukosious, but the fact that they have paid him unders for 2 years and are now getting rid of him when it comes time to pay the rest that we are now on the hook for should come into play.

 

[Waspy79]

This is exactly the point. We are reasonable in every trade deal that we attempt. Wether or not that works in our favour in the long term due to our relationships with other clubs is one thing, but we never extract good value for exiting players and rarely get incoming players for good value either.
I have always said I am happy to give a future first with something coming back for lukosious, but the fact that they have paid him unders for 2 years and are now getting rid of him when it comes time to pay the rest that we are now on the hook for should come into play.

We can spread those remaining two years of his back ended contract over six years, it’s a non-issue.

 

[Brian McGee]

We can spread those remaining two years of his back ended contract over six years, it’s a non-issue.

We can, and have. But that’s the gold coasts reasoning for it requiring a future first from us with nothing coming back. So that’s a chicken/egg scenario.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

He's not very good, he isnt wanted by his current club and he is a 2 mil cap hit.

In what world does that equate to a first round pick.

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who had similar characteristics was a first rounder going the other way

 

[Waspy79]

He's not very good, he isnt wanted by his current club and he is a 2 mil cap hit.

In what world does that equate to a first round pick.

Jack Bowes who had similar characteristics was a first rounder going the other way

Incorrect - Suns are not doing a salary dump and Luko is good verging on very good. F1 and be done with it.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Incorrect - Suns are not doing a salary dump and Luko is good verging on very good. F1 and be done with it.

Imagine thinking Luko is 'verging on very good: while spending half your life shitting on Marshall.

Marshall is three times the player that Luko is.

 

[Waspy79]

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Marshall is three times the player that Luko is.
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What an embarrassing post

 

[philthy05]

I think he’s going to be a decent to very good acquisition for us, but to be clear it’s obvious gcs, or at least Hardwick aren’t keen on him and want him gone.

There’s no way we should be expected to fork up in that scenario. We all know that other teams would not.

And we all know if we were pushing a player out we would not get good value for him in a trade.

 

[TeeKray]

I must admit, when I imagined the future Marshall & Lukosius Super Threadrea I didn't envisage the idea that anyone, let alone Waspy, might take the side of one but not the other. This is going to be amazing.

 

[Waspy79]

I think he’s going to be a decent to very good acquisition for us, but to be clear it’s obvious gcs, or at least Hardwick aren’t keen on him and want him gone.

There’s no way we should be expected to fork up in that scenario. We all know that other teams would not.

And we all know if we were pushing a player out we would not get good value for him in a trade.

We pushed out Polec and Pittard and landed Butters

We pushed out Wingard and landed Duursma/BZT and Burton

We pushed out Howard and landed Georgiades

We pushed out Ladhams and Sinn might become a player

The best SUNS can land with an F1 is the possibility of landing one player that is statistically unlikely to be better than Lukosius - and the same applies to Port by holding F1

 

[Waspy79]

I must admit, when I imagined the future Marshall & Lukosius Super Threadrea I didn't envisage the idea that anyone, let alone Waspy, might take the side of one but not the other. This is going to be amazing.

Cmon Fella, Luko is two years younger, is more versatile, does not have concussion concerns lingering, and has been playing in a shite team where he doesn’t want to be. The upside on Luko compared to what we know of Marshall is significant.