West Coast Premiers 2005

[wballz]

ahhh Gardiner couldn't cover for Cox as he is always injured. He wont become our full time ruckman again until he has at least 5 or 6 full games to get back some Match Fitness.

oh and understudy, i have no prespective? (how about perspective?) do you think judd, cousins and fletcher would get anywhere near as many possessions without Cox?

They way you talk, it doesn't matter if cousins and Cox have 40 possessions each if you are missing the player that scores the winning point or goal then you couldn't have won without them. I guess there's no point arguing, it's like people talking about eagles and melbourne, until we win a game this year without Judd you will all think he is the key to our team well hopefully we don't have to play another game this year without him. But as i said before in many games this year he hasn't been in our top 5 players on the ground and we performed well anyway, oh yeah that's right if Judd's tagger was on another one of our players we would have lost

 

[understudy]

so you think opposition coaches are wrong to target and tag Judd and he is not your most dangerous player ?

 

[wballz]

no, i think taggers only really work on midfielders and if i were to chose a midfielder to tag it would be Judd. Doesn't mean he is our most valuble/influential player though. Although there's no denying he is our best player

 

[sammyg77]

so you think opposition coaches are wrong to target and tag Judd and he is not your most dangerous player ?


Not at all but your posts have a touch of "West Coast cant win without Judd" attitude.

Thats where all the bickering is coming from. Your points are valid but against Collingwood the team was down. Having Judd there would not have won us the game. Against the Tigers we were great.

And I say great in an honest and not a boasting manner because you can compare it to a Victorian team coming to Subiaco and beating us on our home soil - It would be a great victory!

Not many Victorian teams win in Perth just like Freo and West Coast dont win in Melbourne that much. That all changes as the your team gets better.

Judd is only one cog in our machine. To seperate him from other players who have had a fair larger impact on the field than him this year such as Cousins, Cox and Fletcher is an insult.

 

[understudy]

Not at all but your posts have a touch of "West Coast cant win without Judd" attitude.

Thats where all the bickering is coming from. Your points are valid but against Collingwood the team was down. Having Judd there would not have won us the game. Against the Tigers we were great.

And I say great in an honest and not a boasting manner because you can compare it to a Victorian team coming to Subiaco and beating us on our home soil - It would be a great victory!

Not many Victorian teams win in Perth just like Freo and West Coast dont win in Melbourne that much. That all changes as the your team gets better.

Judd is only one cog in our machine. To seperate him from other players who have had a fair larger impact on the field than him this year such as Cousins, Cox and Fletcher is an insult.

Yep thats exactly what im saying.

Your post has a touch of eagles are far superior to all other teams and no one will get near us, we can win flag without Judd and it is all in the bag.

FFS you got r*ped by our young kids (and beat a battling richmond by a dees d ick) and yet you still think you'll be able to take a top four team out when you come up against them in the finals in melbourne !

 

[Ferox]

Wow, that was a long nap.

Last thing I remember I was thinking abut my tips for Rd 12.

Who won the Brownlow?

 

[WestCat]

so you think opposition coaches are wrong to target and tag Judd and he is not your most dangerous player ?


Not at all but your posts have a touch of "West Coast cant win without Judd" attitude.

Thats where all the bickering is coming from. Your points are valid but against Collingwood the team was down. Having Judd there would not have won us the game. Against the Tigers we were great.

And I say great in an honest and not a boasting manner because you can compare it to a Victorian team coming to Subiaco and beating us on our home soil - It would be a great victory!

Not many Victorian teams win in Perth just like Freo and West Coast dont win in Melbourne that much. That all changes as the your team gets better.

Judd is only one cog in our machine. To seperate him from other players who have had a fair larger impact on the field than him this year such as Cousins, Cox and Fletcher is an insult.

Judd takes a lot of pressure off Fletcher and Cousins. These two have become ten times better players since Judd has stepped up, Cousins' disposal has even improved. Judd can handle the pressure and attention far better than both of these players due to his pace, therefore if Judd is playing they are free to rome around unattended. Exhibit A: Collingwood game, no Judd, more pressure on Fletcher and Cousins, they both are not up to standard, Eagles lose. Fletcher and Cousins, along with Cox, have been the Eagles best players this season because they are not getting the attention they used to. Is it any wonder that Fletcher became AA when Judd won a Brownlow?

 

[zero]

FFS you got r*ped by our young kids (and beat a battling richmond by a dees d ick) and yet you still think you'll be able to take a top four team out when you come up against them in the finals in melbourne !

of course we can, numbnut.

you think that because two teams we played against played well and we played badly means we are absolutely without question going to lose in september is just rank stupidity and troll work. noone can know that.

our away form has been good. any melbourne team we meet in september in melbourne is going to have to earn a win.

just like the dees are going to have to earn a win next week, and if they play poorly (like they did against fremantle) they are going to get rolled.

same goes for september

actually, i HOPE we play a victorian team in the grand final. of the 11 interstate grand finalists, only 3 have left empty handed, and one of those losses was to another interstate team

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Judd takes a lot of pressure off Fletcher and Cousins. These two have become ten times better players since Judd has stepped up, Cousins' disposal has even improved. Judd can handle the pressure and attention far better than both of these players due to his pace, therefore if Judd is playing they are free to rome around unattended. Exhibit A: Collingwood game, no Judd, more pressure on Fletcher and Cousins, they both are not up to standard, Eagles lose. Fletcher and Cousins, along with Cox, have been the Eagles best players this season because they are not getting the attention they used to. Is it any wonder that Fletcher became AA when Judd won a Brownlow?

******** off mate. Before Judd came along Cousins was getting tagged week in week out and always managed to be thereabouts come browlow. Cousins runs all day to break the tag and will always get you 20+ hard earned possies.
Fletcher is useless to tag as he is an outside player and doesnt exert as much influence on the game as Cuz and Juddy who win their own ball but are also dangerous recievers. Cuz gets a better run of it when Judd is in the team sure, but usually teams will tag both Judd and Cousins and if they don't then god help them.
Cousins played well against Collingwood with about the same pressure he has on him all year as the Pies tagged Fletcher 1st (IIRC) with Holland.

Judd is the most important part of our midfeild because he is the package but our other players can do it without him.

 

[wballz]

Judd takes a lot of pressure off Fletcher and Cousins. These two have become ten times better players since Judd has stepped up, Cousins' disposal has even improved. Judd can handle the pressure and attention far better than both of these players due to his pace, therefore if Judd is playing they are free to rome around unattended. Exhibit A: Collingwood game, no Judd, more pressure on Fletcher and Cousins, they both are not up to standard, Eagles lose. Fletcher and Cousins, along with Cox, have been the Eagles best players this season because they are not getting the attention they used to. Is it any wonder that Fletcher became AA when Judd won a Brownlow?

fletcher only became good when judd started being tagged?..
4th best and fairest 2002
3rd best and fairest 2003
International Rules Series 2003

oh and what about captain cousins...
Best and fairest 2001, 2002, 2003
2nd best and fairest 1998
3rd best and fairest 1999
All-Australian 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002
International Rules Series 1999
AFL Rising Star 1996
Captain since 2001

Woah lucky Judd came along and took the pressure off Cousins, seems like he was really being brought down by lack of support in the midfield

oh and thanks for proving my point...

I guess there's no point arguing, it's like people talking about eagles and melbourne, until we win a game this year without Judd you will all think he is the key to our team

 

[understudy]

of course we can, numbnut.

you think that because two teams we played against played well and we played badly means we are absolutely without question going to lose in september is just rank stupidity and troll work. noone can know that.

our away form has been good. any melbourne team we meet in september in melbourne is going to have to earn a win.

just like the dees are going to have to earn a win next week, and if they play poorly (like they did against fremantle) they are going to get rolled.

same goes for september

actually, i HOPE we play a victorian team in the grand final. of the 11 interstate grand finalists, only 3 have left empty handed, and one of those losses was to another interstate team

getting very ahead of yourselfs

collingwood and richmond are very average teams

the old bad day call is a lame cop out

you'll play much tougher opponents come september

if you dont lift your game higher than what you displayed against collingwood and richmond you will be found wanting

and back to my original point you will struggle badly in september if you dont have Judd cause naturally enough you are very dependant on him - the champion that he is !

 

[weagles_fan]

and back to my original point you will struggle badly in september if you dont have Judd cause naturally enough you are very dependant on him - the champion that he is !

Of course Judd will be a blow to us but not a major one.It is the same if Brisbane are missing J.Brown or Port Adelaide W.Tredrea.Do you still expect them to be at their best even without their best player?

 

[zero]

getting very ahead of yourselfs

collingwood and richmond are very average teams

the old bad day call is a lame cop out

you'll play much tougher opponents come september

if you dont lift your game higher than what you displayed against collingwood and richmond you will be found wanting

the bad day call a cop out? what do you call your 100 point thrashing by fremantle then? the best you could do?

any team can beat any other on their day, and there are the vaguaries of form and fitness and luck that go into our game. we wont play our best football 4 quarters of every game of the season. no team ever will. the reason we are 2 games clear on the top of the ladder is we have consistently put our best football on the park more often than every other team

so we will meet tougher opposition in september, fantastic, cant wait

 

[Rocket23]

Though i'm a carlton supporter i still think the West Coast Eagles will win the cup and finish first very easy.

Finish first = yes
Win the Cup = Not if it is played in Melbourne

 

[afc9798]

WCE have only played 1 game with a four quater 100% intensity effort and won by over 100 points. St KIlda were high on their success by R10 then crashed and burned. WCE are far from peaking.

And your ability in finals is far from convincing in the last 10 years. Minor round does not equate to flags, just ask Port supporters.

 

[bunsen burner]

And your ability in finals is far from convincing in the last 10 years. Minor round does not equate to flags, just ask Port supporters.

It makes little difference. Our team wasn't expected to win any of those finals. We were always making up the numbers. This year should be the first year that's different.

For the 20th time: The last jigsaw piece for a flag winning team is almost always winning away from home. You're effectively saying that the Eagle's can't make this step for no other reason than we weren't able to do it last year. That's like saying to a baby "You won't be able to walk because you haven't been able to walk for the last year". Ridiculous logic.

I'm not saying the Eagles are a monty for the flag, I'm simply saying history is irrelevant as to whether we will be able to step up in September. The telling factor will most likely be the form of the Eagles come Sptember and the form of the opposition.

 

[veryevilmike]

Basing all these comments on a solitary loss in melbourne really doesn't prove anything - a sample size of one is hardly significant (either in the general or scientific p<0.05 sense).

Geelong, St Kilda & Melbourne have all lost multiple games so there is something to work with but to say that ealges lost and judd suspended -> judd key to eagles is just jumping to conclusions. Wait and see how they go against melbourne and then maybe start drawing some conclusions

For mine I think that the eagles can and I'll go so far as to say probably will win it this year - if the finals started tomorrow they'd make it to the gf and be underdogs, but i think that they'll continue to develop in the next 11 weeks and should win come late september.

 

[Cuzz09]

Basing all these comments on a solitary loss in melbourne really doesn't prove anything - a sample size of one is hardly significant (either in the general or scientific p<0.05 sense).

Geelong, St Kilda & Melbourne have all lost multiple games so there is something to work with but to say that ealges lost and judd suspended -> judd key to eagles is just jumping to conclusions. Wait and see how they go against melbourne and then maybe start drawing some conclusions

For mine I think that the eagles can and I'll go so far as to say probably will win it this year - if the finals started tomorrow they'd make it to the gf and be underdogs, but i think that they'll continue to develop in the next 11 weeks and should win come late september.

I hope you are right - I really, really do!

 

[Mountain West]

Great post. Very decisive.

Just pointing out that the possibility and probability of a given event are two entirely different things.

 

[silverphoenix]

So you take the form of one team after round 11, and disregard the form of another to porve your point. I don't even have to show the flaws in you argument, because you have done that for me.

Ill assume you are talking about your beloved eagles, and how they are in form because they have only lost 1 game thus far. Just to point it out, they will lose to the following teams in Melbourne: Melbourne, Geelong, Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, while you will lost to sydney in sydney, and drop your return game against freo, who will want it more, to finish in the 8.

Even if you do beat freo, that will put you on the same points as Melbourne and Geelong on the ladder that i posted b4, the difference will be percentage, your percentage will take a battering over the next 11 weeks, while Melbourne and Geelong will slowly rise week by week.

 

[bunsen burner]

Just to point it out, they will lose to the following teams in Melbourne: Melbourne, Geelong, Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, while you will lost to sydney in sydney, and drop your return game against freo,

Are you a fortune teller?

 

[silverphoenix]

Are you a fortune teller?

Yes

 

[weagles_fan]

Ill assume you are talking about your beloved eagles, and how they are in form because they have only lost 1 game thus far. Just to point it out, they will lose to the following teams in Melbourne: Melbourne, Geelong, Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, while you will lost to sydney in sydney, and drop your return game against freo, who will want it more, to finish in the 8.

Even if you do beat freo, that will put you on the same points as Melbourne and Geelong on the ladder that i posted b4, the difference will be percentage, your percentage will take a battering over the next 11 weeks, while Melbourne and Geelong will slowly rise week by week.

And if we beat Melbourne next week?Then what?Then we wont lose a game for the rest of the season?

 

[Arcadion]

Yes

lol