West Coast - time for a rebuild?

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Freo's alignment with Peel works because Freo don't try and run the Peel football club. Peel call the shots but work with Freo to try and appease as best they can with where players play. On game day however it is the Peel coach who decides and thats the end of it.
West Coast have nothing but problems with every single system because they want to run everything, the whole point of an alignment is for the WAFL club to be in control and to provide a strong competitive place for the AFL players to play and develop. East perth alignment failed because West Coast wanted to be in control. It is the Eagles that are the problem every time.
Now they have their own side which no senior WAFL players will ever want to play for and they are still not happy, injuries are the issue at West coast but straight away like clock work the Eagles instead of taking responsibility blamed the WAFL clubs.
The Eagles need to look at their own back yard, extend a hand out to the Perth football club and ask them if they will align. They need to let Perth have total control over the alignment, they need to let the Perth Board pick the coach and all staff and not have any Eagles staff involved. Just an agreement that we have a place for your players to play and develop and we will do our best to play players in positions that you have requested. However during game day it will be Perth's decision if they want to change it up and move players around pending on game circumstances.
Surely this can't be difficult? Yet it is for only one AFL club in Australia which is the WCE.

Clearly the approach needs to change or it won't matter what draft picks we get the disaster will roll on. Maybe if we can solve the injury crisis the standalone side might function better but that seems like a stretch. I am also worried that it's not sustainable anyway because the clear advantage of a full club setup like Freo Peel is clearly working long term far better than our way.

 

[K Man]

Your list wouldn't be as good if you had made finals for as long as we did. Yeah Brayshaw and Serong and Jackson are all a result of "shrewd drafting" and nothing to do with getting the reward of being poor and getting early draft picks. Turn it up. The core performers of the midfield are a result of pointy end picks. The Peel connection has worked far better than our standalone club for development and it shows with the late picks in contrast to our late picks. Clearly we haven't managed the WAFL link well at all and it shows when Foley and Xavier O'Neill get a game.

The Brayshaw pick had nothing to do with Freo's finishing position

 

[WillHayward]

So it's either lose $7million or try and bluff it out for another two years.

Lets be honest. $7million is chump change in the Perth mining world.

I reckon they will just pay it and try and move fwd

 

[fnerd]

Freo's alignment with Peel works because Freo don't try and run the Peel football club. Peel call the shots but work with Freo to try and appease as best they can with where players play. On game day however it is the Peel coach who decides and thats the end of it.
West Coast have nothing but problems with every single system because they want to run everything, the whole point of an alignment is for the WAFL club to be in control and to provide a strong competitive place for the AFL players to play and develop. East perth alignment failed because West Coast wanted to be in control. It is the Eagles that are the problem every time.
Now they have their own side which no senior WAFL players will ever want to play for and they are still not happy, injuries are the issue at West coast but straight away like clock work the Eagles instead of taking responsibility blamed the WAFL clubs.
The Eagles need to look at their own back yard, extend a hand out to the Perth football club and ask them if they will align. They need to let Perth have total control over the alignment, they need to let the Perth Board pick the coach and all staff and not have any Eagles staff involved. Just an agreement that we have a place for your players to play and develop and we will do our best to play players in positions that you have requested. However during game day it will be Perth's decision if they want to change it up and move players around pending on game circumstances.
Surely this can't be difficult? Yet it is for only one AFL club in Australia which is the WCE.

 

[Purple Suit]

Your list wouldn't be as good if you had made finals for as long as we did. Yeah Brayshaw and Serong and Jackson are all a result of "shrewd drafting" and nothing to do with getting the reward of being poor and getting early draft picks. Turn it up. The core performers of the midfield are a result of pointy end picks. The Peel connection has worked far better than our standalone club for development and it shows with the late picks in contrast to our late picks. Clearly we haven't managed the WAFL link well at all and it shows when Foley and Xavier O'Neill get a game.

Those three were Shrewd trading first, then 2 good picks.

Weller for Brayshaw
Mayne for Hill for Serong
Jackson for two first rounders

The amount of bad press Jackson has had still reflects the gamble of paying that for him with Darcy here and it is looking like paying off.

WC instead signed everyone at the club up forever, drop the bundle over covid and they have clogged the whole club up.

They need to just pay the tax and sack the big three. Freo had 7 million in the bank at the start of the year, WC must have 50-60m.

 

[the harry]

It's a forum mate.

If you don't want opinions from keyboard warriors, then you are on the wrong site

Yeah, that was my point. It doesn't work when someone's response is "this is what you know"

 

[freo1]

Your list wouldn't be as good if you had made finals for as long as we did. Yeah Brayshaw and Serong and Jackson are all a result of "shrewd drafting" and nothing to do with getting the reward of being poor and getting early draft picks. Turn it up. The core performers of the midfield are a result of pointy end picks. The Peel connection has worked far better than our standalone club for development and it shows with the late picks in contrast to our late picks. Clearly we haven't managed the WAFL link well at all and it shows when Foley and Xavier O'Neill get a game.

Did you even read my post before you responded? the list of players i named are all late picks - i didnt name serong brayshaw and jackson, and as good as those players are, it's our later draft picks i mentioned that are holding up the club, and regarding jackson we got him the same way you got Tim Kelly - trading future picks. We didnt draft him with an early pick. Brayshaw as well, he wasnt from a pick we got by finishing low - Goldcoast gave us a low pick for Lachie Weller which we used for Brayshaw.

 

[bh90210fan]

Those three were Shrewd trading first, then 2 good picks.

Weller for Brayshaw
Mayne for Hill for Serong
Jackson for two first rounders

The amount of bad press Jackson has had still reflects the gamble of paying that for him with Darcy here and it is looking like paying off.

WC instead signed everyone at the club up forever, drop the bundle over covid and they have clogged the whole club up.

They need to just pay the tax and sack the big three. Freo had 7 million in the bank at the start of the year, WC must have 50-60m.

If by paying off you mean dropping down the ladder and missing finals with one of the healthiest lists for the whole season of course.

You were supposed to be a top 4 side at this stage according to your CEO.

 

[Purple Suit]

If by paying off you mean dropping down the ladder and missing finals with one of the healthiest lists for the whole season of course.

You were supposed to be a top 4 side at this stage according to your CEO.

Jackson is paying off. He probably got more coaches votes than your entire team.

Our team on the weekend was younger than yours and we haven't missed finals yet. We lost 4 senior players last season so it has taken some time to gel. Nothing to worry about long term and improvement isn't linear.

 

[flyinghi64]

Jackson is paying off. He probably got more coaches votes than your entire team.

Our team on the weekend was younger than yours and we haven't missed finals yet. We lost 4 senior players last season so it has taken some time to gel. Nothing to worry about long term and improvement isn't linear.

I love these comments.
Once again, we had 8 players with less than 20 games of AFL under their belt, Freo had 3. Actually 3 would probably be a higher number than normal, 8 would then be what?

So yes on Average Freo may be younger but look at the actual player to player game numbers and experience, completely different.

 

[bh90210fan]

Jackson is paying off. He probably got more coaches votes than your entire team.

Our team on the weekend was younger than yours and we haven't missed finals yet. We lost 4 senior players last season so it has taken some time to gel. Nothing to worry about long term and improvement isn't linear.

If you’re not winning he’s not paying off. Youve gone backwards.

After 8 years the fact that you’re still one of the younger sides running around isn’t exactly a good thing. You’d want to start retaining players at some point.

I know if in another 6 seasons we’re sitting 11th and still rebuilding I wouldn’t be too happy about it. I certainly wouldn’t be crowing over it.

 

[Purple Suit]

I love these comments.
Once again, we had 8 players with less than 20 games of AFL under their belt, Freo had 3. Actually 3 would probably be a higher number than normal, 8 would then be what?

So yes on Average Freo may be younger but look at the actual player to player game numbers and experience, completely different.

You’re just picking game points that suit your argument as well. The team you fielded also had more games total than Freo. The make up of your side is not the reason it got beaten so badly.

If you’re not winning he’s not paying off. Youve gone backwards.

After 8 years the fact that you’re still one of the younger sides running around isn’t exactly a good thing. You’d want to start retaining players at some point.

I know if in another 6 seasons we’re sitting 11th and still rebuilding I wouldn’t be too happy about it. I certainly wouldn’t be crowing over it.

We’re 7/7. Take out the first six week period of trying to gel and we’re 5/3. Which is on par with last year.

We’ve retained everyone we have wanted to lately. WC still need to get to a younger list, that is years away at the snails pace the admin are moving.

I thought you’d know more than anybody about trying to bed down new players and game plans as Simmo has been going on about it every loss.

 

[bh90210fan]

You’re just picking game points that suit your argument as well. The team you fielded also had more games total than Freo. The make up of your side is not the reason it got beaten so badly.


We’re 7/7. Take out the first six week period of trying to gel and we’re 5/3. Which is on par with last year.

We’ve retained everyone we have wanted to lately. WC still need to get to a younger list, that is years away at the snails pace the admin are moving.

I thought you’d know more than anybody about trying to bed down new players and game plans as Simmo has been going on about it every loss.

Just have to ignore 1/4 of the season and you’re going ok. Nice one.

You tried to retain Logue and he walked. Lobb basically refused to play for you any longer after he was one of your better players last year.

Youve had 8 years now to bed down a new game plan and should be contending but instead are falling behind.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So it's either lose $7million or try and bluff it out for another two years.

Lets be honest. $7million is chump change in the Perth mining world.

I reckon they will just pay it and try and move fwd

Just incredible that such a rich, "cash cow" club would blow itself up over a paltry $7m

Ah well...

 

[TW Sherrin]

try and find trades for Shuey and Gaff at a minimum and get late second or third round picks if the other teams eat their contracts. Darling is another. they can all play a role in contending teams.

I know he has missed plenty of footy but I'd be keeping Yeo.

They need to find some mid late round kids who turn out to be above average. Maybe even look at state leagues.

 

[JackOutback]

try and find trades for Shuey and Gaff at a minimum and get late second or third round picks if the other teams eat their contracts. Darling is another. they can all play a role in contending teams.

I know he has missed plenty of footy but I'd be keeping Yeo.

They need to find some mid late round kids who turn out to be above average. Maybe even look at state leagues.

And I thought some West Coast fans were being unrealistic. Neither are worth anything to anyone. Darling possibly, Yeo maybe, Barrass definitely. They are the only real trade options other than for nominal picks, such as Duggan, Sheed or Petruccell.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

So it's either lose $7million or try and bluff it out for another two years.

Lets be honest. $7million is chump change in the Perth mining world.

I reckon they will just pay it and try and move fwd

correct, 7 million in todays pro sports is not a huge amount. Though many Eagles fans think it is. If it was any other club I might agree but 7 million to the Eagles is ash tray money.

 

[Purple Suit]

Just have to ignore 1/4 of the season and you’re going ok. Nice one.

You tried to retain Logue and he walked. Lobb basically refused to play for you any longer after he was one of your better players last year.

Youve had 8 years now to bed down a new game plan and should be contending but instead are falling behind.

How do you contend with one of the youngest lists / teams in the comp? We're still another season or two till we hit our straps properly but we should have a large window considering all the talent and age demographic of our main contributors.

You can't keep everyone in the current player climate if you are developing well unless you offer huge contracts and clog up your list. Flipping Lobb into Jackson and some fringe players for more Capital is good trading. I could put together an ex Freo team that would beat the current WC team. This is more a reflection of how bad WC's player development and lack of turnover has been. It could be related to the List Manager being the old recruiter of most of the players so he rates them too highly for their output and retains them for fall too long.

 

[Purple Suit]

correct, 7 million in todays pro sports is not a huge amount. Though many Eagles fans think it is. If it was any other club I might agree but 7 million to the Eagles is ash tray money.

I see it as an excuse from the current Admin as they don't want to change. Not for Simmo's sake, more their Ego's and having to admit that they made a mistake extending him.

How does sacking Simmo even cost 7m if we are being serious?

2.5m payout
4.5m Tax

Can't they spread out the 2.5m over 24/25 caps or put Simmo on gardening leave for those 2 years? Therefore they only go over by the amount they pay the new coach if everything is equal. Why not just get Sumich in and he'll do it for a few hundred to build the list and then get a new one in 2026 if things are going bad?

I'm sure the AFL would do a deal instead of a PP if necessary too. Carlton seem to endlessly sack coaches but it never seems to hold them back, unlike WC.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Just have to ignore 1/4 of the season and you’re going ok. Nice one.

You tried to retain Logue and he walked. Lobb basically refused to play for you any longer after he was one of your better players last year.

Youve had 8 years now to bed down a new game plan and should be contending but instead are falling behind.

I really don't think Freo fans are crying in their beer over losing Rory Lobb.....

 

[bh90210fan]

How do you contend with one of the youngest lists / teams in the comp? We're still another season or two till we hit our straps properly but we should have a large window considering all the talent and age demographic of our main contributors.

You can't keep everyone in the current player climate if you are developing well unless you offer huge contracts and clog up your list. Flipping Lobb into Jackson and some fringe players for more Capital is good trading. I could put together an ex Freo team that would beat the current WC team. This is more a reflection of how bad WC's player development and lack of turnover has been. It could be related to the List Manager being the old recruiter of most of the players so he rates them too highly for their output and retains them for fall too long.

Another season or two making it 9, 10 years rebuilding. That’s if you start retaining players.

Its funny watching Freo fans giving advice using their own team as a blueprint for rebuilding success.

Sitting 11th 8 years on with finals hopes still years away is exactly what we want to avoid.

 

[Kim Hagdorn]

In a world of hurt at the moment. I guess the only way from here is up though.

 

[Cuzz09]

In a world of hurt at the moment. I guess the only way from here is up though.

I think we will stay at shit level for another 12 months +

Prob 2 years away from breaking out of bottom 4

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[Bigger]

Sitting 11th 8 years on with finals hopes still years away is exactly what we want to avoid.

Killing it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No, they don't. Kelly is one of the few busting a gut week in and week out. Shuey and Hurn as well, their bodies are just cooked. Gov has been pretty reliable until recently. And Gaff... well, the game has just passed him by, not sure it's lack of effort. If you were looking for lack of effort, you'd be looking at someone like Sheed. You've just grabbed a list of highest paid and oldest and decided they are milking the club for money. There's a number of issues at play, but that's not one of them.

Shuey is such a hard one, he seems to be the best leader at the club by a fair margin and is one of very few senior players where effort is a non-negotiable for him BUT it's seems almost a flip of the coin whether he gets through a full game each week.