What AFL record will stand forever?

[Blues177]

carlton 1972 grand final score of 177
kernahans 226 afl record number of games as captain
fitzroys 190 point win over the dees in 1979
carltons record of 8 consecutive finals wins
locketts 1360 goals
are all safe

I hope you are right and the score that matches my username never gets beaten ; It looked like the cats would smash the record in the '07 grand final but their goal scoring slowed down in the last 10 minutes.

 

[Vdubs]

The no Hawthorn/Richmond Final is quite remarkable.

239 by Geelong looks safe I reckon, games are a few minutes shorter than they were back when it was 25 minute quarters with less time on. I think it was Billy Brownless that kicked the score that beat the previous record in the last minute of that game against the Bears in 1992.

Although Geelong themselves did give it a bit of a shake against Richmond at the Dome a few years back.

Pies are due to annihilate GC, Ablettless, could topple that score.

And, next year, GWS, records could be broken regularly

 

[thecatattack]

I hope you are right and the score that matches my username never gets beaten ; It looked like the cats would smash the record in the '07 grand final but their goal scoring slowed down in the last 10 minutes.

Didn't score in the last 8min!!!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Surely 177 in a grand final will be topped one day.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Jim's record could go since a few players have made it over 200 games. Still a great record though!.

Adam Goodes probably would have already surpassed Stynes' record had it not been for a couple of brain farts a few years back. Think from memory Goodes had already made it past the 200 games in a row mark until he got suspended at a time when the AFL were becoming red hot on players bumping others with their head over the ball.

While I understand your point however, I think there's alot to be said about the sub idea used as a reference for Adam Goodes earlier in the thread. If the rule remains in place, there's nothing to say someone couldn't become a "Sub Specialist", and only play 1-2 quarters a week and extend their career by at least 2 or 3 year.

Good point. It's a shame they didn't give Goodes a run in 1998. he'll still pass the 300 game mark before the year is out, but had he made his debut in 1998 rather than 1999 he could've well been on 320+ by the end of this year as a 31 year old, which would've been pretty remarkable. And it would've given him a great chance to crack the 400 - and he might still get there if his body is still holding up well and he still has an impact on games because of the sub rule like you pointed out over the next few years.

 

[Slattery_20]

Didn't score in the last 8min!!!

Chokers.

 

[Freo2012]

There is a new record continually being broken by Freo.

In the modern age of drafts, equalisation policies and new club incentives - Freo will be the longest running entry to the competition never winning a flag.

 

[Only Forwards]

150 goals in a season.

Happened twice in the VFL I cannot see any one player getting near it with how the game is played now.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Highest score at Waverley Park - Fitzroy: 36.22 (238) v Melbourne: 6.12 (48) i

Only chance i can see is in 2 weeks when the Pies play the Suns, and with Gold Coast tiring already, and coming back from Cairns against Richmond, the Pies could go all out and win by about 220

 

[calyam]

I nominate Michael Tuck's games record (for the thirtieth time in this thread). Think of the fuss made about that old grandpa playing for Essendon who is two years older than any other listed player in the AFL. Fletcher is only 35 years old and his feats are considered noteworthy in the current game. Any player to get close to Tuck's record would require significant changes to the current set up of the AFL. The draft system would have to be scrapped so that older players are no longer list cloggers or there would have to be a promotion and relegation system and the luck of being in a consistent team that stays in the top division - hence meaning young players would still get a chance to prove themselves in second division teams thus top division teams can recruit for specific positions rather than scrapping older players to see how that pick number 90 in the draft develops. Fletcher has only lasted because Essendon had a good group of players at the same age come through and stay at the club meaning they couldn't "encourage" them to leave all in the same time period.

A 31 year old premiership captain retiring is nothing remarkable in today's game as that is considered a decent career for someone who makes an established career. Somebody going three or four years past the dinosaur Fletcher and 8 or 9 years past the norm is unlikely in the current format.

It may not be broken but there is no fundamental reason why it couldn't. Craig Bradley would've broken it had he come over from South Australia earlier (debuted at 22 years of age). While Robert Harvey sits third on the all-time list but played more years at the top level. Both those guys retired when they probably had a little more left in the tank.

Durable guys like Goodes or Pavlich could give it a decent shake, particularly with the new sub-rule, which I think in time will encourage players to play a little longer than they would've in the past.

Population has nothing to do with record crowds.

The University of Michigan regularly get 100,000 spectators to their games, the stadium "The Big House" holds 109,000 and the city only has a population of 340,000

You may find a heap of isolated examples in collegiate towns but generally speaking population has everything to do with crowds. It is no surprise that average crowds are higher today than they were 10 years, or 20 years, or 50 years ago. And while there may be a number of reasons for this, population growth is the most likely source of growth.

 

[calyam]

Only chance i can see is in 2 weeks when the Pies play the Suns, and with Gold Coast tiring already, and coming back from Cairns against Richmond, the Pies could go all out and win by about 220

Not playing at Waverley

 

[Twenty 11 Pies]

Some great stats in that article. I could forseeably see Collingwoods 4 Flags being Broken or Tuck's games record breaking- they aren't that out of reach. At the same time I could see someone breaking Fannings record because it takes someone playing out of their skin for one game. But Tuck's 11 GF appearances is something I think will stand forever.

As a side note, I was never aware that Fanning's 18 goals was in his last game. Maybe he would have broken it if he kept going!

And for people trying to talk down Ripken's record for consecutive baseball games, please don't. Amazing stat and widely regarded as one of the greatest moments in Baseball in America

To break collingwoods record would mean 5 flags in a row.....

 

[Judd2Sewell]

150 goals in a season.

And probably Tuck's games record.

 

[Bomber32]

Surely 177 in a grand final will be topped one day.

Essendon came quite close to beating it in the 1985 GF. I reckon Collingwood are a big chance of knocking off that record in the next few years.

 

[Arwib]

Sydney's 30 goals three weeks in a row will be pretty tough to beat. (30.21.201 v West Coast, 36.20.236 v Essendon, 31.12.198 v Richmond in 1987)

The longest suspension is something like 5 years, so that'll only get beaten with a matchfixing or drug scandal.

 

[Chewy]

Not sure if any of these have been said already:

Most consecutive seasons a team has missed the finals - Hawthorn, 32 seasons from 1925-1956.

Premiership player who played the fewest matches - Bill James (Rich) played just one match, the 1920 Grand Final.

Youngest premiership player - Murray Weidemann (Coll) 17 years, 222 days

Youngest player ever - Keith Bromage (Coll), 15 years, 287 days

Oldest player ever - Vic Cumberland (St K), 43 years, 48 days

Most Grand Final losses by a coach - 9 by Jock McHale (Coll)

Highest attendance: 121,000 for the 1970 Grand Final. Health and safety regulations have meant they just don't pack 'em in like they used to. It's doubtful anyone will design a stadium that holds 120,000. Best chance would be if they held an exhibition game in India played by nude women.

Keith Miller played 50 matches for St Kilda and 55 test matches for Australia. Hard to imagine anybody else achieving this double now that sport is professional and kids are forced to choose one or the other.

Dr McClelland ran the game here in Victoria for 30 years. As much as Andy Demetriou would like to give this a nudge, I can't see it happening.

Lowest score - St Kilda 0.1 (1) in 1899

Lowest score in a Grand Final - Richmond 1.7 (13) in 1927
Collingwood gave this a nudge in 1960 when they kicked 2.2 (14)

Lowest aggregate score - 22pts, Ess 1.8 def Melb 0.8 in 1897

Biggest "shootout" in one quarter - 121 pts - Fitzroy 12.6 to St Kilda 7.1 (2nd qtr, Rd 17 1983)

Most consecutive losses - 51 by University
Most consecutive losses (current clubs) - 48 by St Kilda

Club with the most wooden spoons - St Kilda, 26 and counting
The next 'best' is North Melbourne with 13

Most consecutive wooden spoons - 6 by St Kilda (1897-1902)

Most goals on debut - 12 by John Coleman in 1949

Most goals in one quarter by a player - 8 - Harry Davis, Gordon Coventry, Bob Pratt did it twice and Kelvin Templeton was the last in 1978. I can't see any coach letting that happen again.

Fastest to reach 300 goals - Peter Hudson, 55 matches
Fastest to reach 400 goals - Peter Hudson, 71 matches
Fastest to reach 500 goals - Peter Hudson, 87 matches
Fastest to reach 600 goals - Peter Hudson, 102 matches

Peter Hudson's goal per game average of 5.64 will probably never be topped.
Unless someone kicks 6 in their first game and then dies in a car crash.

Youngest player to win the Brownlow Medal - Dick Reynolds in 1934, aged 19 years 90 days

Least number of games by a player selected #1 in the draft - 4 by Richard Lounder (Rich)

In 1935, Clen Denning (Carl) kicked 6 goals with his first six kicks in football. Hard to imagine that record getting beaten. (Richard Lounder kicked 4 from his first four kicks! Tiger fans must've been thinking how good is this guy going to be! Heh, heh...)

 

[Donakebab]

Scott Lucas kicked 7 goals in the last quarter against West Coast in round 22 2007, so 8 in a quarter is one record from that list which could be equalled or beaten.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Not playing at Waverley

Geelong's 239 was achieved at Metricon against the Bears.

 

[TimmehJC"]

150 goals in a season.

Happened twice in the VFL I cannot see any one player getting near it with how the game is played now.

Buddy had over 200 shots at goal in 2008, not completely out of the question. I think the one goal kicking record that will probably never be beaten is Lockett's 1360

 

[Chewy]

Scott Lucas kicked 7 goals in the last quarter against West Coast in round 22 2007, so 8 in a quarter is one record from that list which could be equalled or beaten.

In the past 75 years, Kelvin Templeton went the closest of any player to kicking 9 goals in a quarter and owning the outright record. The Bulldogs kicked a whopping 33 goals that day. Templeton kicked 15-9 for the match and was the beneficiary of a series of highly-dubious charity free kicks. Defenders are given far more leeway nowadays. In the old days, full backs went for the ball, not the man.

Dunstall kicked 7 goals in one quarter versus Richmond in 1992 (on his way to 17) and Lucas went mad in Hirdy's final quarter of football. I think Ablett and Lockett kicked 6 goals a couple of times.

Someone may come along and kick 8 goals and equal this record, but I don't think we'll see anyone kick 9. The best chance of it happening is is a one-sided game against Gold Coast and GWS in these next couple of years, but it appears they've been given enough recruiting concessions to prevent a horrible mismatch. Plus, the game is more defensive these days. Zone defences and double-teams against the dominant forwards have made most of the goal kicking records pretty safe.

 

[Chewy]

Buddy had over 200 shots at goal in 2008, not completely out of the question. I think the one goal kicking record that will probably never be beaten is Lockett's 1360

If Buddy Franklin plays another 12 seasons (until he is 36 years old) stays injury free, plays roughly 22 games a year and maintains his current rate of 3.5 goals per game, then he will top Plugger's 1350.

It's a tall order, but not impossible. He will need to get more accurate. He won't create as many chances for himself once he reaches his thirties and slows down by another yard. Plugger was a big barge-arse who could mark anything, so it didn't really matter that he slowed down.

It's impossible judge the longevity of footballers. For many champions, the end comes very quickly. One season they are flying and people say they could play until they are 40, next moment, they get injured and she's all over, red rover. Brad Johnson was the perfect example of this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin played until he was 35 or 36, but I'd be surprised if was still kicking 70-80 goals a season at that age. Probably more like 50-60. He'll either need to bag a few more 100's over these next 5 years, or he'll need to play until he is 37-38.

 

[UpForGrabs]

Dunstall kicked 7 goals in one quarter versus Richmond in 1992 (on his way to 17) and Lucas went mad in Hirdy's final quarter of football. I think Ablett and Lockett kicked 6 goals a couple of times.

Peter Sumich kicked 7 in the 3rd quarter against Footscray in 1991 (on his way to 13).

IIRC, on the day Dunstall kicked 17 he kicked 6 in the first and 5 in the second, but not 7 in a quarter. Happy to be proved wrong though.

 

[10571z]

If Buddy Franklin plays another 12 seasons (until he is 36 years old) stays injury free, plays roughly 22 games a year and maintains his current rate of 3.5 goals per game, then he will top Plugger's 1350.

It's a tall order, but not impossible. He will need to get more accurate. He won't create as many chances for himself once he reaches his thirties and slows down by another yard. Plugger was a big barge-arse who could mark anything, so it didn't really matter that he slowed down.

It's impossible judge the longevity of footballers. For many champions, the end comes very quickly. One season they are flying and people say they could play until they are 40, next moment, they get injured and she's all over, red rover. Brad Johnson was the perfect example of this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin played until he was 35 or 36, but I'd be surprised if was still kicking 70-80 goals a season at that age. Probably more like 50-60. He'll either need to bag a few more 100's over these next 5 years, or he'll need to play until he is 37-38.

Buddy playing till his 36 without missing a game between now and then and kicking at least 3.5 a game LMFAO!

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

the season will get increased to 24 rounds next year, yes?

so 22 out 24+finals is not impossible

he could play 24 games a year including 1-2 finals and still keep up that average

very unlikely though

 

[Ricmel]

If Buddy Franklin plays another 12 seasons (until he is 36 years old) stays injury free, plays roughly 22 games a year and maintains his current rate of 3.5 goals per game, then he will top Plugger's 1350.

It's a tall order, but not impossible. He will need to get more accurate. He won't create as many chances for himself once he reaches his thirties and slows down by another yard. Plugger was a big barge-arse who could mark anything, so it didn't really matter that he slowed down.

It's impossible judge the longevity of footballers. For many champions, the end comes very quickly. One season they are flying and people say they could play until they are 40, next moment, they get injured and she's all over, red rover. Brad Johnson was the perfect example of this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin played until he was 35 or 36, but I'd be surprised if was still kicking 70-80 goals a season at that age. Probably more like 50-60. He'll either need to bag a few more 100's over these next 5 years, or he'll need to play until he is 37-38.

Is it impossible? No. A million to 1? Yes.

Buddy is not the prototype of a player who could do it. He is tall and lanky, not the body type that goes on forever in a key forward position. Not too mention he's a long way behind (goal numbers wise) where Lockett and Dunstall were at the same time in their career. Lockett had 700 at age 25, Franklin has just over 400 at 24, he's basically 2 100 goal seasons behind (assuming he kicks 100 this year which is also unlikely). And his current rate is 3.1 not 3.5, nearly 2 goals a game less than Lockett.

Lloyd looked likethe best chance but in the end even he got nowhere near it.