What are some of the biggest pieces of revisionist history in the AFL?

[Cleansweep17]

I’m sorry mate, but this might be your worst take on BF, and that’s saying something.
Did you learn footy from a book?

Of course you think that you go for Geelong.

I think a bad take is saying kicking a goal from the goal square is “from the wing”. That’s insane.

Out of curiosity where do you think the wing is? Do you agree with the image or nah?

 

[Headless]

Ok what is it 60m?

My point is the same so I don’t get the point of your post. Wing as per the image is a midfield position. He kicked none from the midfield/wing.

You used an image to try to justify your point, but you disagree with the image yourself. I was highlighting the hypocrisy.

 

[Cleansweep17]

You used an image to try to justify your point, but you disagree with the image yourself. I was highlighting the hypocrisy.

No you are being technical without disproving my point.

 

[CarterS]

That Brisbane Bears were a basket case - finished 3rd in 1996 and lost the Prelim to North.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Of course you think that you go for Geelong.

I think a bad take is saying kicking a goal from the goal square is “from the wing”. That’s insane.

Out of curiosity where do you think the wing is? Do you agree with the image or nah?

NOBODY thinks that “Player x kicked x goals from the wing” means each kick for goal was from the wing.

It simply means the wing was where he was positioned in that match.

It’s pretty simple. Bizarre you’re taking it so literally.

 

[Cudi]

The pre-finals bye in 2016 was a big reason the Dogs won the flag because they had injuries. Something Rohan Connally bangs on about almost every year.

All the players who retuned (Stringer, Libba, Wood, Roughead) for the first final would have played even if there was no bye, only Macrae wouldn't have. Good player but sure he was the difference in a 50 point win. Also the last game of the season for the Bulldogs was on a Sunday and their first final was Thursday week, so had the least amount of recovery time of any of the finalist.

 

[Cleansweep17]

NOBODY thinks that “Player x kicked x goals from the wing” means each kick for goal was from the wing.

It simply means the wing was where he was positioned in that match.

It’s pretty simple. Bizarre you’re taking it so literally.

Then don’t say from the wing.

I don’t say Dusty kicks goals from the midfield.

Or Short from the backline.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Certainly the heaviest sanctions for an AFL club because no AFL club has gone near something so massive. For what went on Essendon the club were not punished hard enough. A few individuals took the fall when everybody top down knew of and partook in the program in one way or another. Club sanctioned. On the world scale it was a nothing punishment.

Nothing to do with my mob. Carlton thought they were too slick when other clubs had tightened up by then.

It wasn’t at all “on the world scale”. It was an AFL issue.

ASADA and WADA had no interest in investigating or sanctioning Essendon as a club or any of the officials. They have a strict liability policy when it comes to athletes and nobody else was in their sights. ASADA actually praised Hird, the AFL’s #1 target, in their report! Citing emails that he’d directed staff to ensure all substances were ASADA compliant and safe.

The reality is, far from being revisionist history, people just don’t properly understand the intricacies of what was a very, very complex situation that went on for around five years and had twist, turns and opposing priorities everywhere.

People can’t seem to get their head around the club/official sanctions (AFL) and player sanctions (ASADA) being very seperate issues.

Consider that if it were all left up to anti-doping authorities, as many wish, there would have been precisely zero sanctions for the club or any officials. That’s how things work “on the world stage”.

That was up to the AFL and they decided (with the support of 17 clubs, called in to apply pressure) to fashion “sanctions” that had no basis in any proper legal setting (the investigation wasn’t even close to being finished) and had to be agreed with the targets because they would not stand up in any tribunal.

If you want to do things that way, then be prepared for the outcome to not please all of the baying masses.

But as it turned out, the process ended the AFL careers of the Chairman (Evans), the CEO (Robson), the Football Manager (Corcoran), the Senior Coach (Hird), an Assistant Coach (Thompson), and of course, the two “high performance” staff who directly ran the program (Robinson and Dank). They’re all long gone. Not sure what people want.

All were nuked publicly. Thompson had pre-existing issues that spiralled out of control and took him to rock bottom. Hird finished up attempting suicide, much to the delight of many. “That wasn’t punishment, that was their own fault!” many claim, ignoring the fact that it was a direct result of the very deliberate PR campaign directed by the AFL themselves, in order to break them into conforming to the all-important PR-driven timeline. It was punishment, deliberately meted out.

The club was turned on its head for years, fined $2m (“chump change” is a hilarious description), kicked out of finals and stripped of three high draft picks.

So yes, the punishments were heavy.

The only ones not satisfied are those that wanted the place turned into a scorched bomb crater, for whom nothing else would suffice. That just didn’t happen due to some good management and luck in the aftermath. They tried their best!

 

[Joffaboy]

Saints would have won the Grand Final.in 2010 if had gone on another 5 minutes.

As a Saints fan I say rubbish. Scores level 6 minutes out when Goddard goals. Collingwood score the next goal and behind before the final bounce of the ball point.

Leads on to the next revisionism of that game. Saints win if Milne kicked the goal. About 1.12 I think to go. Back to the middle and we had seen all year how quickly Collingwood had scored. Could have easily goaled ( maybe not as easy as 6,6,6 now, as Lyon would have flooded the backline) and win by a point.

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[Bungeye]

I think 90's football gets overrated mainly because one season (1993) was one of the best and most memorable seasons of all time.

Why is 90s footy overrated?

To me it was very memorable...

•1991, Irish born Jim Stynes win Brownlow medal
•West Coast first non Victorian team to win GF
•Nick Winmar stance against racism
•Kevin Sheedy and his marshmallows
•Essendon vs West Coast jacket waving
• Collingwood vs Essendon Anzac Day clash
•Sydney swans 1996 Grand final
•State of origin
•The baby bombers
•Lights out at Waverley
•North Melbourne popularizing Friday night football

 

[Iago]

No you are being technical without disproving my point.

You said 51 metres out was the wing. In post 63. Your image clearly states that it is the half forward flank.

I will put it in terms you may understand. If Alex Rance kicked 3 goals in a game whilst playing at full back, everyone would say Rance has kicked 3 from full back. Everyone, other than you, would understand that meant whilst playing at full back Rance got forward and kicked 3 goals. Only you think he kicked them 100m+ from the backline.
Based on your logic unless kicked directly from the midfield every goal is kicked by a forward.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Then don’t say from the wing.

I don’t say Dusty kicks goals from the midfield.

Or Short from the backline.

That’s where he played that day.

Actually, I think I see what you’re trying to say. “Talk less about Ablett and more about Dusty”.

Take it to the Richmond hate Geelong thread.

 

[Xtreme]

Then don’t say from the wing.

I don’t say Dusty kicks goals from the midfield.

Or Short from the backline.

Jason Dunstall kicked a goal from the full back line

#bestdayever

 

[2Knights]

Holy shit the “goals kicked as a wingman only count if they’re kicked 80m+ while on the wing” guy is actually a numpty.

Do we not count Errol Gulden’s disposals as being accumulated while playing on the wing (and therefore taking him out of the running for AA winger) if he gets them inside the 50s or the centre square?

Then there's Peter Matera's 5 goals from a wing in the '92 GF which no-one has a problem with.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Does anyone else wince whenever they hear or read about sports injuries in that area ? Just me ?

OUCH

It's the least he could have suffered for allowing a 3 parts dead Brereton to outmark him twice and kick goals.

Back in the 90s an Australian sports magazine started up called Inside Sport. They used to have a section in it with horrible sports injuries and their accompanying photos, a lot of them were cycling related, however the worst one I read occurred during a soccer match somewhere in South America. A player I think had attempted a bicycle kick and dislocated his hip. The medicos on the spot put his hip back in but in the process jammed on of his testicles in with it. The player was now in excruciating pain with his nut jammed in there. They had to take him to hospital to have it re-dislocated so they could get it back out.

 

[The 747]

I think 90's football gets overrated mainly because one season (1993) was one of the best and most memorable seasons of all time.

Perhaps time does colour the perception. But for mine it had the right mix of skill, higher scoring and physical contests, right up until 2004.

And then Ross Lyon the Great Enemy of Football joined the Swans in 2004 as an assistant coach and football has never been the same.

 

[Cudi_420]

Footy was better 10-15 years ago, or in the 80s. It wasn't. It was very good comparatively in the 90s though.

Footy peaked around 96-99 in the "pre-modern" era. I often go back to watch games and highlights from those years. 97 and 98 in particular were great.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Not a specific instance of history revisionism but as soon as a player becomes a premiership player, they’re suddenly a better player than they were before that game.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That Leo Barry

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took a great mark as opposed to Ashley Sampi getting molested by the entire Swans backline

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Sydney’s “no dickheads” policy.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[Dirty Bird]

Speaking of people ruining everything with their inflated reverence for the '70s-'90s, the VFL/AFL Team of the Century is rife with revisionist history.

And despite having dumped on Carey in my last post, ain't no way Glenn Archer was the "Shinboner of the Century".

Regardless of whether you think it was race-fuelled, "Adam Goodes started getting booed after pointing out the Collingwood girl" is a lie. His ability and output as a player is also woefully underappreciated by the public and media imo, though I can't prove that part.

An even more recent distortion is the notion that the mean AFL strong-armed poor innocent Tasmania into building the new stadium. The truth, of course, is the Tassie-funded ~$300m investment was recommended by the state govt-backed Taskforce Report.

I've also heard it said that a portion of South Australians have foggy memories about their "support" for the Adelaide Oval redevelopment at the time.

It was almost unanimous support for footy moving to the CBD.

It was just split about 65/35 from Marvel Stadium replica about the corner of North/West Terrace or an upgraded Adelaide Oval.

 

[Bigger]

What is, the Goal square?

If it’s inside 50m on the boundary that’s the forward pocket if its outside the 50m on the boundary it’s the wing.

This would be a goal from the wing (if it was a tiny bit further out) none of GAS 14 goals were like this.

Gaaaaaaaaaah. Where's the ****ing trigger warnings on this rampant maggotry?

 

[Hawksboy72]

The late great Allan Jeans once said "Had Simon Madden played for Hawthorn they would've won every premiership from 1982 to 1989.

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[revo333]

Why is 90s footy overrated?

To me it was memorable.

•West Coast first non Victorian team to win GF
•Nick Winmar stance against racism
•Kevin Sheedy marshmallows
•Essendon vs West Coast jacket waving
• Collingwood vs Essendon Anzac Day clash
•Sydney swans 1996 Grand final
•State of origin
•The baby bombers
•Lights out at Waverley
•North Melbourne popularizing Friday night football

In terms of just the football 93-97 was a pretty good spectacle but I think it dropped off a fair bit in the late 90's.

 

[revo333]

Not a specific instance of history revisionism but as soon as a player becomes a premiership player, they’re suddenly a better player than they were before that game.

It's the NBA rationale that a player can't be a great player unless they have won a ring.