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Reckon at least another good size backman & either a good midfield speedster & possibly an indigenous unpredictable player, that has the uncanny ability to know when, where & how to get & use the ball. Like Rioli, Betts or even a Hill
 
Thats just stupid! Billings is having a good year this year. His not kicking as many goals but he's setting up plenty.

What is billings doing not to your liking?
im not liking how hes not kicking goals. membrey kicks 8 in 2 weeks and he doesnt even get a mention. if it was billings the pats on the back would be enourmous. i dont know if its the coaches orders or whatever. why is he getting his kicks in the back half of centre and also why is he not playing a wingard role hes a true goalkicking half forward. yet these days he seems to be in and under packs more than i would like him to be. weve got enough in and under players. hes suppose to be the cream on the cake.
 
Reckon at least another good size backman & either a good midfield speedster & possibly an indigenous unpredictable player, that has the uncanny ability to know when, where & how to get & use the ball. Like Rioli, Betts or even a Hill


A slippery small forward would be nice, outside speedster I'm not sold on a beckman. Most teams are building around a midfield with less reliance on KPBs. I think if we get more defenders it has to be guys who can run and carry. We unfortunately built our current team around KPs and now seem to have developed a game plan that relies less on them.

The indigenous guys seem to have a bit of x factor, it's probably what we lack a bit, a tempo leader like Milne was, someone who revs the guys and fires the team up.
 
Cant see the big imrovement in Billings that others do? I believe he simply is too much of a touch player to be a dominant mid and the best we can hope for is a consisitent HFF (Nathan Brown). .And yes I would have Bontempelli every day over Billings. To be honest I think it is the single worst decision Trout has made since he was running recruitment. Billings will never get to the midfield level Bont is playing at now!

Bont is Kouta 2.0 (Jared Brennan??) and will get all the same hype.

Billings is Steve Johnson 2.0 and will dominate but never be THE guy.

Did you know that Steve Johnson was the only player in the comp last year to ave 20 touches, 1 goal and 1 goal assist per game? Go look at the stats this year and I think you will find Billings more than stacks up for a 'HFF'.

As for what we need - Mids, mids and more mids. Dylan Sheil or Jake Kelly would be a dream but would probably cost a heap.
 
im not liking how hes not kicking goals. membrey kicks 8 in 2 weeks and he doesnt even get a mention. if it was billings the pats on the back would be enourmous. i dont know if its the coaches orders or whatever. why is he getting his kicks in the back half of centre and also why is he not playing a wingard role hes a true goalkicking half forward. yet these days he seems to be in and under packs more than i would like him to be. weve got enough in and under players. hes suppose to be the cream on the cake.

Thats a coaching issue.
 

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Ah yes billings will never average 19 touches in the midfield, God you post some dross
Bontempelli gets tagged every week and has a major impact on the game with his possessions. Takes a good defender when he goes forwrad, wins clearances takes strong overheard marks, Billings is a seagull. His skills are excellent but he is not the impact midfielder we were sceaming out for at that draft.

IMO his mate in Sinclair gives the team more midfield value Billings, because he is prepared to runand carry and take the game on.

Choomah best you take those Elton John glassess off and get your head back in a 'Harry Potter' book!
 
Lace out midfielders who can run all day.

Our very own Gaff or Smith.

Someone like Whitfield or Kelly would be perfect.

An elite 3rd tall defender would really help too. Roberton is nice, but the way Lever and Weitering already impact games is amazing.
 
Bontempelli gets tagged every week and has a major impact on the game with his possessions. Takes a good defender when he goes forwrad, wins clearances takes strong overheard marks, Billings is a seagull. His skills are excellent but he is not the impact midfielder we were sceaming out for at that draft.

IMO his mate in Sinclair gives the team more midfield value Billings, because he is prepared to runand carry and take the game on.

Choomah best you take those Elton John glassess off and get your head back in a 'Harry Potter' book!
Jack Billings Name Marcus Bontempelli
St Kilda Saints Team Western Bulldogs
Forward Position Midfield
32 Career Games 44
Oakleigh Chargers Origin Northern Knights
August 18, 1995 Date of Birth November 24, 1995
20yr 8mth Age 20yr 5mth
184cm Height 192cm
80kg Weight 85kg
2013 National Draft Last Drafted In 2013 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #3 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #4
St Kilda Saints Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs
2016 Stats for Season 2016
7 Games 7
12.1 Kicks Per Game 9.4
9.4 Handballs Per Game 11.1
21.6
Disposals Per Game 20.6
4.6 Marks Per Game 2.0
0.4 Goals Per Game 1.4
0.3 Behinds Per Game 0.4
3.0
Tackles Per Game 2.9
0 Hitouts Per Game 1.4
3.9 Inside 50s Per Game 4.1
1.3
Goal Assists Per Game 0.3
0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.7
0.4 Frees Against Per Game 0.6
5.0 Contested Possessions Per Game 9.0
16.7
Uncontested Possessions Per Game 12.0
16.1 Effective Disposals Per Game 14.3
74.5% Effective Disposals % Per Game 69.4%
2.3 Clangers Per Game 2.0
0.4 Contested Marks Per Game 0.4
0.6 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.7
1.1 Clearances Per Game 2.7
1.7
Rebound 50s Per Game 0.7
0.6 One Percenters Per Game 1.4
0.3
Bounces Per Game 0
81.0 Time On Ground % Per Game 82.6


For all the Hype re Bontempelli, stats are on par. Jack will be a star
 
Jack Billings Name Marcus Bontempelli
St Kilda Saints Team Western Bulldogs
Forward Position Midfield
32 Career Games 44
Oakleigh Chargers Origin Northern Knights
August 18, 1995 Date of Birth November 24, 1995
20yr 8mth Age 20yr 5mth
184cm Height 192cm
80kg Weight 85kg
2013 National Draft Last Drafted In 2013 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #3 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #4
St Kilda Saints Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs
2016 Stats for Season 2016
7 Games 7
12.1 Kicks Per Game 9.4
9.4 Handballs Per Game 11.1
21.6
Disposals Per Game 20.6
4.6 Marks Per Game 2.0
0.4 Goals Per Game 1.4
0.3 Behinds Per Game 0.4
3.0
Tackles Per Game 2.9
0 Hitouts Per Game 1.4
3.9 Inside 50s Per Game 4.1
1.3
Goal Assists Per Game 0.3
0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.7
0.4 Frees Against Per Game 0.6
5.0 Contested Possessions Per Game 9.0
16.7
Uncontested Possessions Per Game 12.0
16.1 Effective Disposals Per Game 14.3
74.5% Effective Disposals % Per Game 69.4%
2.3 Clangers Per Game 2.0
0.4 Contested Marks Per Game 0.4
0.6 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.7
1.1 Clearances Per Game 2.7
1.7
Rebound 50s Per Game 0.7
0.6 One Percenters Per Game 1.4
0.3
Bounces Per Game 0
81.0 Time On Ground % Per Game 82.6


For all the Hype re Bontempelli, stats are on par. Jack will be a star
But but but he takes shots from the boundary and takes a speccy once in a blue moon! Shit he's a midfielder who is the height of Riewoldt he can run all day and mark and tackle like the best of them!

..ol
 
Bontempelli gets tagged every week and has a major impact on the game with his possessions. Takes a good defender when he goes forwrad, wins clearances takes strong overheard marks, Billings is a seagull. His skills are excellent but he is not the impact midfielder we were sceaming out for at that draft.

IMO his mate in Sinclair gives the team more midfield value Billings, because he is prepared to runand carry and take the game on.

Choomah best you take those Elton John glassess off and get your head back in a 'Harry Potter' book!
The stupid in this post gave me brain damage...

And Coops, love, you've just gone full curmudgeon these days.
 
We need to have ready to go replacements for our three champions, Roo, Joseph, and Chipper. They'll leave a huge hole that could send us two steps backwards.
Think Montagna can go another 2-3 years injury permitting ala M.Boyd at the Bulldogs. He really is playing very, very well this year on a HBF. Out Fisher in Carlisle and obviously Roo is irreplaceable.
 
Bontempelli gets tagged every week and has a major impact on the game with his possessions. Takes a good defender when he goes forwrad, wins clearances takes strong overheard marks, Billings is a seagull. His skills are excellent but he is not the impact midfielder we were sceaming out for at that draft.

IMO his mate in Sinclair gives the team more midfield value Billings, because he is prepared to runand carry and take the game on.

Choomah best you take those Elton John glassess off and get your head back in a 'Harry Potter' book!
You are not even a member. Why should we take into account anyone who isnt a member?

You probably have never seen Billings play in the flesh.
 
he was pick 55
The single most irrelevant thing I've read on this forum.
Bontempelli gets tagged every week and has a major impact on the game with his possessions. Takes a good defender when he goes forwrad, wins clearances takes strong overheard marks, Billings is a seagull. His skills are excellent but he is not the impact midfielder we were sceaming out for at that draft.

IMO his mate in Sinclair gives the team more midfield value Billings, because he is prepared to runand carry and take the game on.

Choomah best you take those Elton John glassess off and get your head back in a 'Harry Potter' book!
Rofl... Bony never gets tagged. There's a difference between a hard tag & a run with. How'd Bont go last year against Armo in the comeback game cos that was the match up for about 65% of the game. Bont had about 20, Armo had 45.... Defensively, he is shit & teams need to work on how to exploit it
 

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