Opinion What if Brisbane win the premiership AND get the number one draft pick this year?

[HairyO]

No I'm asking how Would Bulldogs or Brisbane acquire pick 2? or Collingwood pick 4. None of those teams had anywhere close to the draft capital to make a fair trade - You may as well not have father/son rules at all.

The big issue with the current set up is that there is a discount built in, but clubs are giving other clubs further discounts by not making them pay top dollar. Darcy and Daicos would have gone 1 and 2 if it was a free for all, but because Dogs and Collingwood did deals with GWS and North they 'decided' not to bid - basically giving Dogs and Collingwood a discount worth an extra pick in the 30s.

Theres far better, common sense approaches they can use to increase the price of the picks, which is what they're bringing in next year.

Find a way. Trade out players, use draft picks. Or, miss out.

F/S should be a nice-to-have. It shouldnt ruin the entire draft process - which in many cases it has.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Lucky for you the Lions aint getting in the top 4 let alone winning lol

How was your grand final day lol

 

[Fadge]

How was your grand final day lol

Surely still too soon...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How was your grand final day lol

Fine actually (enjoyed Katy) least the Bulldogs did not win or Collingwood. Brisbane did well and I like most of their side probably bar Zorko but that’s par for the course.

 

[YeoShuey]

Lucky for you the Lions aint getting in the top 4 let alone winning lol

6 year wait before another interstate wins it imo

 

[LukeParkerno1]

6 year wait before another interstate wins it imo

GWS can really like the way their list is shaping you need luck though we won’t be as lucky next year had an injury list from heaven unfortunately our coach is just a better Hinkley really good at getting to finals awful when there still enjoyed the season anyway the writing was on the wall in r15 literally said as soon as finals began the two I didn’t want to face were Dogs/Lions we had no hope against them

 

[Freomaniac]

6 year wait before another interstate wins it imo

unfortunatel true.

So gonna savour 2024.

Sadly I think Eagles will win the 2030 flag.

 

[GC2015]

6 year wait before another interstate wins it imo

What makes you suggest that? Brisbane lost Daniher but are about to add the number 1 pick and another first round pick. Will Ashcroft is going to get better, McCluggage looked really good this year, Cam Rayner started to show really good signs of stardom this year, Lachie Neale should have a few more good years in him etc. I'm pretty sure Brisbane will be in a great position to go back-to-back next year.

Sydney, GWS and Port Adelaide should still be top 6 teams next year. Fremantle barely missed the finals this year and had some good acquisitions this off season so you'd think they're a good chance to play finals in 2025. Adelaide and/or Gold Coast could also jump into the top 8 if things go right. West Coast is probably the only non-Vic team that I'd definitely rule out of the finals race next season.

Not sure how you could possibly be confident that Vic teams are going to win the next 6 premierships.

 

[YeoShuey]

What makes you suggest that? Brisbane lost Daniher but are about to add the number 1 pick and another first round pick. Will Ashcroft is going to get better, McCluggage looked really good this year, Cam Rayner started to show really good signs of stardom this year, Lachie Neale should have a few more good years in him etc. I'm pretty sure Brisbane will be in a great position to go back-to-back next year.

Sydney, GWS and Port Adelaide should still be top 6 teams next year. Fremantle barely missed the finals this year and had some good acquisitions this off season so you'd think they're a good chance to play finals in 2025. Adelaide and/or Gold Coast could also jump into the top 8 if things go right. West Coast is probably the only non-Vic team that I'd definitely rule out of the finals race next season.

Not sure how you could possibly be confident that Vic teams are going to win the next 6 premierships.

Last 4 interstate premiership teams were in 2006, 2012, 2018, 2024.

Unless someone breaks that trend (which I doubt they will), we’ll be seeing the next one in 6 years time lol. Most likely West Coast too because they have an even bigger habit of winning one every 12 years or so.

 

[KissKiss]

Last 4 interstate premiership teams were in 2006, 2012, 2018, 2024.

Unless someone breaks that trend (which I doubt they will), we’ll be seeing the next one in 6 years time lol. Most likely West Coast too because they have an even bigger habit of winning one every 12 years or so.

Yeah I think West Coast went 94, 06, 18 so 2030 lines up for them and with the run of 6 years for interstate teams.

I dont think any of us (except maybe West Coast fans) want this but its a cool little trend

 

[Viceregal]

Last 4 interstate premiership teams were in 2006, 2012, 2018, 2024.

Unless someone breaks that trend (which I doubt they will), we’ll be seeing the next one in 6 years time lol. Most likely West Coast too because they have an even bigger habit of winning one every 12 years or so.

Before that the last 5 non-Vic winners were 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 ....

 

[p4p1]

GWS can really like the way their list is shaping you need luck though we won’t be as lucky next year had an injury list from heaven unfortunately our coach is just a better Hinkley really good at getting to finals awful when there still enjoyed the season anyway the writing was on the wall in r15 literally said as soon as finals began the two I didn’t want to face were Dogs/Lions we had no hope against them

Obviously Horse has the premiership over Hinkley but I believe he has always had a better team. How Hinkley managed to get that Port team to #2 this year is beyond me.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Obviously Horse has the premiership over Hinkley but I believe he has always had a better team. How Hinkley managed to get that Port team to #2 this year is beyond me.

It’s much as both are trash let’s be real

 

[p4p1]

Before that the last 5 non-Vic winners were 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 ....

Except for 04 it was a great time to be alive

 

[p4p1]

What makes you suggest that? Brisbane lost Daniher but are about to add the number 1 pick and another first round pick. Will Ashcroft is going to get better, McCluggage looked really good this year, Cam Rayner started to show really good signs of stardom this year, Lachie Neale should have a few more good years in him etc. I'm pretty sure Brisbane will be in a great position to go back-to-back next year.

Sydney, GWS and Port Adelaide should still be top 6 teams next year. Fremantle barely missed the finals this year and had some good acquisitions this off season so you'd think they're a good chance to play finals in 2025. Adelaide and/or Gold Coast could also jump into the top 8 if things go right. West Coast is probably the only non-Vic team that I'd definitely rule out of the finals race next season.

Not sure how you could possibly be confident that Vic teams are going to win the next 6 premierships.

Getting in Levi could be a help. We won't know until next season, though if he is as good as his brother he will be able to impact on the field fairly quickly. But it is still a net loss compared to the loss of a prime Joe Daniher.
I don't think b2b is out of the question when you consider players coming back from injury, and as you said development and improvement of some existing players but it isn't going to be easy or without teething problems.

 

[Dangerousfield]

So good the AFL has completely stuffed the FS, academy and NGA rules to allow the Premier to draft the number one player for a bag of junk picks.

Let's throw the premier another top 20 player for almost free as well.

We all complained about this when JUH appeared on the horizon and the AFL did almost nothing. Totally inept Boys Club of an organisation.

 

[Freomaniac]

Yeah I think West Coast went 94, 06, 18 so 2030 lines up for them and with the run of 6 years for interstate teams.

I dont think any of us (except maybe West Coast fans) want this but its a cool little trend

Yeah seeing a non vic side win it every 6 years isnt the best record. But its better than nothing

 

[GC2015]

Last 4 interstate premiership teams were in 2006, 2012, 2018, 2024.

Before that the last 5 non-Vic winners were 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 ....

2001-06 was 6 premierships in a row won by teams not based in Victoria. Who's to say that won't happen again? Unlikely, but you can't categorically rule it out. Still think Brisbane are a good chance to go back-to-back and should be considered premiership favourites right now.

Getting in Levi could be a help. We won't know until next season, though if he is as good as his brother he will be able to impact on the field fairly quickly. But it is still a net loss compared to the loss of a prime Joe Daniher.
I don't think b2b is out of the question when you consider players coming back from injury, and as you said development and improvement of some existing players but it isn't going to be easy or without teething problems.

The inside word is that Levi is actually better than Will, if you can believe it. The kid is supposed to be Ablett-esque and able to do just about anything on the ground. He proved his worth in his sole VFL appearance this year when he recorded 35 disposals, 5 tackles and a goal in a dominant performance playing against AFL listed players from GWS at 17 years of age.

Daniher was great, but if I had the choice of adding a 17 year old Gary Ablett Jr clone to a premiership winning midfield or retaining a 30 year old Joe Daniher (who we now know was mentally done 12 months ago) then I'm picking the former. Levi will kick goals himself and Brisbane's forwards will get more opportunities because he's in the team. It's hard to prove now, but I think there's a fair chance that in 12 months from now it will be viewed as a net gain for the Lions.

So good the AFL has completely stuffed the FS, academy and NGA rules to allow the Premier to draft the number one player for a bag of junk picks.

Let's throw the premier another top 20 player for almost free as well.

We all complained about this when JUH appeared on the horizon and the AFL did almost nothing. Totally inept Boys Club of an organisation.

Don't think you'd be complaining if the Crows' F/S pick Tyler Welsh had maintained his status as a top 10 pick this year. It's happy days for the teams that benefit and 'what about us' for teams like St Kilda. Time to invest more money into your F/S academy.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I like the tradition of the father son rule but there definitely needs to be a better bidding system that actually makes clubs pay a truer value. Look at this season for example Richmond should be able to bid with multiple first round picks on Ashcroft Brisbane would either have to make multiple trades to find the points or loose multiple picks the following season or miss out on ascroft altogether.

 

[GC2015]

I like the tradition of the father son rule but there definitely needs to be a better bidding system that actually makes clubs pay a truer value. Look at this season for example Richmond should be able to bid with multiple first round picks on Ashcroft Brisbane would either have to make multiple trades to find the points or loose multiple picks the following season or miss out on ascroft altogether.

2021 - #2 Sam Darcy, #4 Nick Daicos
2022 - #2 Will Ashcroft, #12 Jaspa Fletcher, #17 Max Michalanney
2023 - #15 Jordan Croft, #19 Will McCabe

In the last three drafts, we've seen a big increase in first round father-son picks. Unbelievably, 3 of those 7 F/S picks are already premiership players and 1 is a Norm Smith Medalist. Another is probably about to become the highest paid player in the AFL when Darcy signs his next contract. Next up we've got Levi Ashcroft who is considered by most to be the best player in this year's draft class and he may very well be a premiership player this time next year as well. Then there's more F/S players expected to be/could be first round picks after that:

2024 - #1 Levi Ashcroft (enough said)
2025 - Thomas McGuane, Kalani White (McGuane is highly rated by some and White played for the Allies as a bottom ager)
2026 - Cody Walker (named the U16 AA captain, Vic Country MVP and is the early prediction for #1 pick in 2026)
2027 - Louis Salopek, Tevia Rodan (both starred for Vic Metro and named in the U15 AA team)

This isn't going away. We're going to keep seeing first round F/S picks coming through every year and if the AFL allows Tasmania the concession of access to any 100 game AFL player from Tassie, then it'll become even more problematic for teams like St Kilda and Richmond who could lose access to players like the Riewoldts.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

2021 - #2 Sam Darcy, #4 Nick Daicos
2022 - #2 Will Ashcroft, #12 Jaspa Fletcher, #17 Max Michalanney
2023 - #15 Jordan Croft, #19 Will McCabe

In the last three drafts, we've seen a big increase in first round father-son picks. Unbelievably, 3 of those 7 F/S picks are already premiership players and 1 is a Norm Smith Medalist. Another is probably about to become the highest paid player in the AFL when Darcy signs his next contract. Next up we've got Levi Ashcroft who is considered by most to be the best player in this year's draft class and he may very well be a premiership player this time next year as well. Then there's more F/S players expected to be/could be first round picks after that:

2024 - #1 Levi Ashcroft (enough said)
2025 - Thomas McGuane, Kalani White (McGuane is highly rated by some and White played for the Allies as a bottom ager)
2026 - Cody Walker (named the U16 AA captain, Vic Country MVP and is the early prediction for #1 pick in 2026)
2027 - Louis Salopek, Tevia Rodan (both starred for Vic Metro and named in the U15 AA team)

This isn't going away. We're going to keep seeing first round F/S picks coming through every year and if the AFL allows Tasmania the concession of access to any 100 game AFL player from Tassie, then it'll become even more problematic for teams like St Kilda and Richmond who could lose access to players like the Riewoldts.

I think the first 4 picks in every draft should be open picks for the bottom 4 teams every player should be available to them if a father son or academy player is rated top 4 that’s just bad luck if the other club wants him bad enough they have to trade for the pick

 

[Astro35]

I think the first 4 picks in every draft should be open picks for the bottom 4 teams every player should be available to them if a father son or academy player is rated top 4 that’s just bad luck if the other club wants him bad enough they have to trade for the pick

Why 4? Should be first 1p, or better yet, the first round should be untouchable to draft manipulation. A pure round with no f/s, no compensation pick, no freebies from the afl. It's really simple

 

[Viceregal]

Why 4? Should be first 1p, or better yet, the first round should be untouchable to draft manipulation. A pure round with no f/s, no compensation pick, no freebies from the afl. It's really simple

New art form - that fine line where you are good enough to be picked for the Allies (or whatever it is that you need to be picked in to qualify for Academy selection) but not good enough to be considered a first round pick!