Strategy What is your teams ideal draft and trade period in 2020?

[eth-dog]

Mate surely your having a laugh WE WILL NOT BE TRADING PICK 11 FOR DARCY PARISH.

That would be my starting point. I think you'd cough up a first, and we'd be foolish not to chase pick 11 if that were the case. I'd take any of the three but Parish would suit you guys to a tee.

 

[dazedjosh]

Mate surely your having a laugh WE WILL NOT BE TRADING PICK 11 FOR DARCY PARISH.

It's not even the most ludicrous hypothetical trade suggestion I've seen on BF today.

 

[dazedjosh]

Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4 and 2021/1

Yeah that won't be happening. I've seen a few suggestions that we'll use our current first and our 21 1st to move up the board, but that would likely mean giving up a top 5 and a top 10 pick just to move up 2 spots. Which would be very doubtful.

Considering Geelong and Brisbane both have multiple firsts later on, I think it would be more likely that we would wait until draft night and do a live trade back if somebody bid on Campbell before our current first rounder. We would still land Campbell and a late 1st/early 2nd depending on where the bid for him comes, as well as Gulden while holding onto our 2021 1st.

Live trading on draft night means we don't have to anticipate other clubs draft desires before the event, providing more flexibility.

 

[Thetrader15]

Yeah that won't be happening. I've seen a few suggestions that we'll use our current first and our 21 1st to move up the board, but that would likely mean giving up a top 5 and a top 10 pick just to move up 2 spots. Which would be very doubtful.

Considering Geelong and Brisbane both have multiple firsts later on, I think it would be more likely that we would wait until draft night and do a live trade back if somebody bid on Campbell before our current first rounder. We would still land Campbell and a late 1st/early 2nd depending on where the bid for him comes, as well as Gulden while holding onto our 2021 1st.

Live trading on draft night means we don't have to anticipate other clubs draft desires before the event, providing more flexibility.

Really depends on what you think the value of a pick at 2 this year is worth.

Option 1 (Crows trade)
2020 - Campbell, pick 3 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 19

Option 2 (Geelong trade):
2020 - Campbell, pick 18 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 5

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Really depends on what you think the value of a pick at 2 this year is worth.

Option 1 (Crows trade)
2020 - Campbell, pick 3 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 19

Option 2 (Geelong trade):
2020 - Campbell, pick 18 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 5

The first by far next year's draft is far better.

 

[eth-dog]

It's not even the most ludicrous hypothetical trade suggestion I've seen on BF today.

Especially seeing as I coined it yesterday.

In all seriousness, as much as I love and rate Parish he's not the right fit for our midfield, we need bigger bodies.

 

[Thetrader15]

The first by far next year's draft is far better.

I think if pick 3 this and pick 5 are equal, it comes down to pick 8/19 this year or next. You're right, pick 19 next year is better, so you do deal 1 with the crows.

 

[Wild Bill]

Adelaide:
Trade:

• Brad Crouch out -> Compo pick 2 in
• Atkins out for 5 years deal on GC -> pick 21 in (band 3)
• Giants miss finals, pick 12
• WB/2nd for Hatley
• Pick 21 -> Caldwell

Draft:

• Pick 1 - Bid on JUH, then go for Hollands
• Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4 and 2021/1
• Pick 4 - Thilthorpe
• Pick 12 - Perkins
• Pick 20 - Trade for 2021/2 and pick 25ish - Poulter
• Edwards, Borlase, Newchurch via FA

Sign up Solomon, Bassett, Neil Balme and a new head of fitness. Replace Godden Hart, Reilly, Hass.

I'm not asking much!

Wanting the Swans to trade pick 4 and 2021 1st rounder for pick 2?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think if pick 3 this and pick 5 are equal, it comes down to pick 8/19 this year or next. You're right, pick 19 next year is better, so you do deal 1 with the crows.

Sorry I meant the secondthat was a typo as pick 5 next year is way better than 3 this year.

 

[dazedjosh]

Really depends on what you think the value of a pick at 2 this year is worth.

Option 1 (Crows trade)
2020 - Campbell, pick 3 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 19

Option 2 (Geelong trade):
2020 - Campbell, pick 18 (after bids)
2021 - Pick 5

And where would we be getting Pick 19 from in 2021 in the Crows trade. Were you going to suggest some sort of a future pick swap?
Your suggestion was - " Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4 and 2021/1"

That would leave us with
Option 1 (Crows trade)
2020 - Campbell, pick 3 (after bids)
2021 - Nothing in the first round.

I'm not part of the Swans list management team, but that isn't particularly appealing. Trading with Geelong allows us to keep the 2021 1st rounder, in what is supposed to be a stronger draft which will also have some gems that got skipped in 2020, while still nabbing a player in the late 1st early 2nd this year.

All this speculation on what the Swans will give up to move up a spot or two in this years draft forgets that the worst case scenario for us is that currently Campbell and Gulden become our 1st and 2nd rounders like a normal draft. If that's our worst case scenario, why would we trade out of a stronger draft next year, to top up this year in a weaker draft, while we are rebuilding and looking to get top tier talent? Why would we take our current worst case scenario, and somehow make it worse?

 

[Thetrader15]

And where would we be getting Pick 19 from in 2021 in the Crows trade. Were you going to suggest some sort of a future pick swap?
Your suggestion was - " Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4 and 2021/1"

That would leave us with
Option 1 (Crows trade)
2020 - Campbell, pick 3 (after bids)
2021 - Nothing in the first round.

I'm not part of the Swans list management team, but that isn't particularly appealing. Trading with Geelong allows us to keep the 2021 1st rounder, in what is supposed to be a stronger draft which will also have some gems that got skipped in 2020, while still nabbing a player in the late 1st early 2nd this year.

All this speculation on what the Swans will give up to move up a spot or two in this years draft forgets that the worst case scenario for us is that currently Campbell and Gulden become our 1st and 2nd rounders like a normal draft. If that's our worst case scenario, why would we trade out of a stronger draft next year, to top up this year in a weaker draft, while we are rebuilding and looking to get top tier talent? Why would we take our current worst case scenario, and somehow make it worse?

My mistake.
Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4, 2021/1 with Crows 2021/2 going back (i.e. 19)

 

[dazedjosh]

Especially seeing as I coined it yesterday.

In all seriousness, as much as I love and rate Parish he's not the right fit for our midfield, we need bigger bodies.

Oh I agree you need a bigger body, and Parish is a tough one to value, but my gut says he ends up in the 20-25 range. He's supposed to be a midfielder but the Bombers seem to be unsure of his best position and play him all around, but he averages 18.6 touches, 1.6 marks, 0.4 goals and 3.3 tackles a game and to me that doesn't scream 1st round pick.

 

[dazedjosh]

My mistake.
Pick 2 - swap with Sydney, for pick 4, 2021/1 with Crows 2021/2 going back (i.e. 19)

Still not that appealing. Again, worst case scenario, we have a standard 1st and 2nd round talent coming to us this year in Campbell and Gulden if bids come in before our current picks, we easily have the points to match. On top of that we have a likely top 10 pick in a stronger draft next year. If we were expecting this to be a short rebuild and were looking at finishing top 6 next year, then absolutely I'd do that trade with Adelaide. But realistically I think we finish in the 9-14 range next year and giving up a top 10 pick in a strong draft when we already have a baseline for this year doesn't make sense.

In the Geelong scenario both teams are better off than their original position in 2020, without compromising 2021.

 

[eth-dog]

Oh I agree you need a bigger body, and Parish is a tough one to value, but my gut says he ends up in the 20-25 range. He's supposed to be a midfielder but the Bombers seem to be unsure of his best position and play him all around, but he averages 18.6 touches, 1.6 marks, 0.4 goals and 3.3 tackles a game and to me that doesn't scream 1st round pick.

Normal game length that goes out to 23.3, 2, 0.5, 4.1 game plus 3.6 clearance mid. And that's surrounded by similar short people, I feel like he could be a lot more effective when protected by Danger, Menegola and Guthrie too.

 

[dazedjosh]

Normal game length that goes out to 23.3, 2, 0.5, 4.1 game plus 3.6 clearance mid. And that's surrounded by similar short people, I feel like he could be a lot more effective when protected by Danger, Menegola and Guthrie too.

True, and while those numbers are good, they don't set the world on fire, in fact the only stat that is currently listed as above average when compared to other players is handballs, and that's according to the Bombers stats page where the numbers would be compared against other players this year so you don't need to normalise them to 20 minute quarters - https://www.essendonfc.com.au/players/854/darcy-parish - everything else is average or below average. I'd imagine a lot of players would perform better when playing alongside Danger, Selwood, Guthrie, etc. so it's not like he would be unique in that regard. He's tough to value like I said, but my gut says no higher than 18, maybe 15 if there are some pick swaps or steak knives involved.

He'd be a decent bit of trade bait if you're looking for a pick in the 18-25 range, but personally I think the Bombers would be better off getting a big bodied from somewhere else and seeing how he performs alongside them.

EDIT - Admittedly, the Bombers probably need to get rid of one of their smaller mids to bring in a big bodied mid, but I'm unsure who that should be.

 

[calder_daddy]

That would be my starting point. I think you'd cough up a first, and we'd be foolish not to chase pick 11 if that were the case. I'd take any of the three but Parish would suit you guys to a tee.

I wouldn’t be against trading our last 1st round pick for him “would be 15-18 and pushed out to 25 possibly
But your starting point would be there and not at pick 11

 

[eth-dog]

I wouldn’t be against trading our last 1st round pick for him “would be 15-18 and pushed out to 25 possibly
But your starting point would be there and not at pick 11

Nah, Geelong are practical traders. Pick 11 should absolutely be the starting point. If we start there we likely get the middle of the three firsts, if we start at the middle it probably goes out to the third or perhaps even that second rounder.

 

[calder_daddy]

Nah, Geelong are practical traders. Pick 11 should absolutely be the starting point. If we start there we likely get the middle of the three firsts, if we start at the middle it probably goes out to the third or perhaps even that second rounder.

Yeah I agree, we’re practical not stupid so our 2nd first round pick is your starting point
Your wasting your breath starting with 11 we usually hold onto our first pick, the last few years we have the past few years anyway

 

[calder_daddy]

It's not even the most ludicrous hypothetical trade suggestion I've seen on BF today.

What takes the take for most far fetched trade idea?

 

[dazedjosh]

What takes the take for most far fetched trade idea?

I don't think I can list them as I just checked the board rules and it would appear to break the following. I've only been on BF for a month so thought I'd double check before I replied. Sorry.

- Dragging posts and discussions from team boards

 

[calder_daddy]

I don't think I can list them as I just checked the board rules and it would appear to break the following. I've only been on BF for a month so thought I'd double check before I replied. Sorry.

- Dragging posts and discussions from team boards

Mate, I’m long time BF and your not breaking any rules
If you quote them you are but if you just briefly type it your not

 

[Virgin Dog]

I don't think I can list them as I just checked the board rules and it would appear to break the following. I've only been on BF for a month so thought I'd double check before I replied. Sorry.

- Dragging posts and discussions from team boards

You can quote them, just remove the part where it lists the name of the person you are quoting so people can't click the link

 

[dazedjosh]

Mate, I’m long time BF and your not breaking any rules
If you quote them you are but if you just briefly type it your not

Ah ok, good to know. In that case, I'm struggling to pick between these two

"Wonder if Sydney would take pick 3 for Tom McCartin or James Rowbottom and pick 4?"
or
"I don't think Sydney will part with 2 x 1st round picks for pick 2, but I reckon they might cop an upgrade for a trade, especially if they know North or Hawthorn are going to blow their draft to the shizen with Campbell.
Example: Papley & pick 4-6 to North, North 2020 pick 2 & 2021 2nd round pick to the swines.
ESPECIALLY if they aren't going to take Phillips. I doubt Hawthorn will, I can see Freo taking Tilthorpe/McDonald/DGB, and then we can pounce.
We get our guy & Papley for a 2021 2nd round pick"

 

[WWSD]

Ah ok, good to know. In that case, I'm struggling to pick between these two

"Wonder if Sydney would take pick 3 for Tom McCartin or James Rowbottom and pick 4?"
or
"I don't think Sydney will part with 2 x 1st round picks for pick 2, but I reckon they might cop an upgrade for a trade, especially if they know North or Hawthorn are going to blow their draft to the shizen with Campbell.
Example: Papley & pick 4-6 to North, North 2020 pick 2 & 2021 2nd round pick to the swines.
ESPECIALLY if they aren't going to take Phillips. I doubt Hawthorn will, I can see Freo taking Tilthorpe/McDonald/DGB, and then we can pounce.
We get our guy & Papley for a 2021 2nd round pick"

Hawthorn won’t place a bid on Campbell. It’s a waste of time.

 

[RUNVS]

Hawthorn won’t place a bid on Campbell. It’s a waste of time.

Also we did you a solid by winning and giving Hawthorn pick 3. It would seem a bit mean to bid on Campbell after that