What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

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AFL news: Mark Robinson speaks to Grant Thomas about Luke Beveridge’s future at Western Bulldogs​

A former AFL coach has warned Luke Beveridge has overstayed his welcome at Western Bulldogs as the club’s season hangs in the balance after a horror opening two rounds.

Mark Robinson
March 28, 2023 - 4:16PM

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Grant Thomas says Luke Beveridge has stayed a year too long at the Bulldogs.

Placing him “in the top echelon of coaches’’ in the AFL, Thomas said Beveridge would’ve been better off departing with a year to run on his contract and coaching Essendon or North Melbourne.

When Brett Ratten was sacked as St Kilda coach, Thomas also wanted Beveridge at Moorabbin.

Instead, Beveridge was extended until the end of the 2025 season by the Bulldogs in December, 2022

The embattled Dogs play Brisbane at Marvel Stadium on Thursday night, where the focus is on Beveridge after two lacklustre performances to start the 2023 season.


Luke Beveridge and the Bulldogs are under the pump.

Luke Beveridge and the Bulldogs are under the pump.

Thomas believes “morale and spirit’’ is lacking, which dictates performance, and accused some senior players of not placing “enough importance’’ on competing.

“I just think Bevo stayed a year too long, that’s what I think,’’ the former Saints coach said.

“In terms of the relationship he has with the players which is deep seated, and the level that he requires from them … and because they are the second oldest list in the competition, so most of them have been on the journey with them the whole way, you do actually have a use-by date.

“That’s why I was encouraged for St Kilda to talk to him last year and Ross Lyon, either one was going to be great.

“I think Bevo’s had his time there.

“Clearly they haven’t changed the list over. Their bottom three, four or five are really questionable in this dynamic era of AFL, where offence has balanced the ledger a bit more against defence.

“And if you haven’t got spirit and morale, it’s very difficult to motivate and I just question whether the spirit and morale is at the Bulldogs at the moment.


Grant Thomas says Luke Beveridge should have left Western Bulldogs last year.

Grant Thomas says Luke Beveridge should have left Western Bulldogs last year.

“Spirit and morale drives attitude and effort, and the thing that drives spirit and morale is importance. If it’s back to the walls, a life or death situation, you watch everyone have a crack.

“But I don’t think it’s that important to a lot of players who have played in a premiership or been involved in success. I question whether that importance is there and his ability to get that from them. It’s a concern.’’

Beveridge, who is the Bulldogs’ most successful coach, has shown before he can coach his team out of a run of mediocre performances.

In 2022, the Dogs lost their first two matches and four of their first six and still played finals.

In 2021, they lost rounds 21-23 and made the grand final.

In 2020, they lost their first two matches and played finals.

In 2019, they lost four of their first six matches and then lost four of five matches through rounds 9-14 and still made finals.

Their playing profile across the first two rounds this season, however, is of great concern.

Defensively they leak too many goals and lack drive from halfback, the midfield is bland and they are ranked 18th for scores from clearances.

Players overall are out of form or interest, their pressure around the ground is ranked 16th, and the supposed marking strength in the F50 is diabolic, being ranked 18th.

In his ninth year as coach, and after having recruited key position players Rory Lobb and Liam Jones in the off-season, Beveridge has never been the subject of external pressure like he is right now.

Former great Brad Johnson was critical of the first two performances, strategy and morale has been the centre of media discussions, and it’s been noted as well how many players have departed the club in recent years.

“It’s a massive challenge for Bevo,’’ Thomas said. “Everyone is waiting for them to respond this week, and they need to.’’

Alex Keath is brought down by Jack Higgins.

Alex Keath is brought down by Jack Higgins.

Thomas rated the consecutive premierships with St Bede’s in the VAFA competition, and the AFL flag in 2016 as “incredible efforts’’, yet maintained coaches can stay at clubs for too long.

“Both and he and the club should’ve realised there were better options (at the end of last year),’’ Thomas said.

“If that meant Brad Scott went to the Bulldogs and Bevo to Essendon, I think that would’ve been two wins. At the moment there is only one win.

“If Alastair Clarkson had gone to the Bulldogs and Luke Beveridge to North Melbourne, that would’ve been two wins. At the moment there is only win.’’

Thomas is curious about whether Beveridge has strayed from his coaching philosophy.

“He’s an outstanding coach and outstanding motivator of people, but did he get too strategic and tactical last year? I think so,’’ Thomas said.

“By doing that he walked away from his core competency and the thing that drove the whole team.

“I’d like to know what his balance is now between strategy and tactics, and attitude and effort and culture and morale. If that balance isn’t right you’re going to get these sorts of performances.

“He will get them back on track and they will be a force to be reckoned with this year at points in time, however, I still think once you’ve been there eight, nine years … contracts are very rarely seen through to the end, we all know that.’’
Ah the old hypothetical game. Why stop at the coaches, what would have happened had we drafted Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead in 2004?
 
I can't put into words how much I ****ing despise Australian sports media.

We've been hugely disappointing, sure, but the extent of the personal attacks leveled at coaches and players alike is utterly deplorable and unacceptable. There are very few places where you can get away with such a coordinated character assassination in today's society, yet the media get a free run whilst also holding themselves up as heroes for their support of mental health initiatives and care.

They can all go and get ****ed as far as I'm concerned. Many of them need to have a real hard look at themselves and ask whether this is actually the person they want to be.
 

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I hate the media as much as the next guy but there’s nothing wrong with that Thomas piece, it’s spot on
For years I have said that Bevo thrives in building a narrative, the big picture storyline but when push comes to shove the the boys in the huddle are looking for some guidance on what to actually implement, he is found wanting. I agree with Thomas' comments on that. The other stuff about could have brought in Clarko or Brad freaking Scott is laughable.
 
I hate the media as much as the next guy but there’s nothing wrong with that Thomas piece, it’s spot on
I do have some disagreement with some of what was said, but I wasn't speaking to the Thomas piece specifically. I was catching up on 5 pages of the thread and speaking generally. :$

At any rate, the pile on after two admittedly shitful rounds is a bit much.
 
For years I have said that Bevo thrives in building a narrative, the big picture storyline but when push comes to shove the the boys in the huddle are looking for some guidance on what to actually implement, he is found wanting. I agree with Thomas' comments on that. The other stuff about could have brought in Clarko or Brad freaking Scott is laughable.
Yeah agreed, he’s a brilliant coach for the right circumstances. And I get his point that Bevo would be perfect for a North/Saints but yeah pipe dream stuff for Clarko to us, but I think the point still stands that we could have found a win/win situation.

I hope Bevo goes somewhere else and has success with a rebuilding club, he’s great at that. He probably needs a year off and a break but I’m sure he will at some stage, unfortunately just looks like time is up with us which isn’t a dig by any means, it just is what it is
 
I do have some disagreement with some of what was said, but I wasn't speaking to the Thomas piece specifically. I was catching up on 5 pages of the thread and speaking generally. :$

At any rate, the pile on after two admittedly shitful rounds is a bit much.
Haha nah I get that Dannn, it’s ****ed. But I don’t think it’s the least bit surprising, Bevos rubbed a few journos the wrong way throughout his career I’m sure all those campaigners have been waiting for this day for years.

And unfortunately it is a big story, coming into the season as a contender and to not only lose the first two but in the method we have - we just have to cop it unfortunately.

Hopefully it cuts the players/coaches and we make a statement
 
Haha nah I get that Dannn, it’s ****ed. But I don’t think it’s the least bit surprising, Bevos rubbed a few journos the wrong way throughout his career I’m sure all those campaigners have been waiting for this day for years.

And unfortunately it is a big story, coming into the season as a contender and to not only lose the first two but in the method we have - we just have to cop it unfortunately.

Hopefully it cuts the players/coaches and we make a statement
It's a fair comment. I've said for years that Bev's approach to media and fans means they will turn on him real fast if it ever goes downhill. We were OK with the closed doors approach when we were winning a premiership and the media didn't have as much to grab onto, but he has to some extent made his bed here. The heat was always gonna come. I do wish it was a little more tactful though.
 
At least we don't live in the UK. Their media is trash and well known for sensationalism and hit pieces. The only way to shut everyone up is to put on a big performance. Play another stinker, and the media will come even harder unfortunately. Heat will be on us all season regardless.
 
Yeah agreed, he’s a brilliant coach for the right circumstances. And I get his point that Bevo would be perfect for a North/Saints but yeah pipe dream stuff for Clarko to us, but I think the point still stands that we could have found a win/win situation.

I hope Bevo goes somewhere else and has success with a rebuilding club, he’s great at that. He probably needs a year off and a break but I’m sure he will at some stage, unfortunately just looks like time is up with us which isn’t a dig by any means, it just is what it is
Why would Clarko to us have been a pipe dream?

He went to North! Surely if we'd gone after him we would be the more likely club to get him?

Just another f**k up if this current administration. We had the most successful coach of the modern era available and we didn't even think about approaching him.
 
Haha nah I get that Dannn, it’s ****ed. But I don’t think it’s the least bit surprising, Bevos rubbed a few journos the wrong way throughout his career I’m sure all those campaigners have been waiting for this day for years.

And unfortunately it is a big story, coming into the season as a contender and to not only lose the first two but in the method we have - we just have to cop it unfortunately.

Hopefully it cuts the players/coaches and we make a statement
You are right... it's what I've said all along.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
These clowns have been throwing mud at Bevo for 8 years and only now is it sticking - their bullshit narratives that they have been banging on with suddenly sound like they could be right 4 and 5 years later because we are having a lean patch. When you follow what they say over several years it is obvious. The shit they write has holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon.
This is not having a go at Thommo, he calls it as he sees it and always has. It's the other AFL Media scum.
 

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Why would Clarko to us have been a pipe dream?

He went to North! Surely if we'd gone after him we would be the more likely club to get him?

Just another f**k up if this current administration. We had the most successful coach of the modern era available and we didn't even think about approaching him.
Yeah look I don’t disagree, I guess it’s hard to know his mindset at the time in whether he wanted a rebuilding club or what but the question should have been asked.

Imagine…
 
I do have some disagreement with some of what was said, but I wasn't speaking to the Thomas piece specifically. I was catching up on 5 pages of the thread and speaking generally. :$

At any rate, the pile on after two admittedly shitful rounds is a bit much.
There’s a distinct lack of moral compass when the football media smells blood in the water. Some of the commentary is as deplorable as it is predictable. Barrett in particular must be in danger of drowning in his own dribble.
 
I hate the media as much as the next guy but there’s nothing wrong with that Thomas piece, it’s spot on
GT is also relatively close to Bevo.

This is a pretty significant bit of reflection from him I feel.

That being said, the views he expressed are only one side of the coin. I can see why Bevo would have wanted to fight on and why we were happy to oblige. We've both hung on too long I think.
 
GT is also relatively close to Bevo.

This is a pretty significant bit of reflection from him I feel.

That being said, the views he expressed are only one side of the coin. I can see why Bevo would have wanted to fight on and why we were happy to oblige. We've both hung on too long I think.
I agree but I hope we are both wrong.
 
Bevo will cop it more than the usual coach will now hes under pressure because of his relationship with the media. They have been waiting for this and they will get nasty.

Remember hearing Robbo admit years after, that he went harder on Malthouse leading up to his sacking at Carlton because of how grizzly and cold Malthouse was to him over the years.
 
The media love the smell of blood in the water. They can smell it now and justifiably so after our first two weeks.

A team that has been regularly in the finals stinking it up to the point of being uncompetitive against a poor team in St Kilda is always going to raise serious questions.

We've brought it on ourselves, but the best way to respond is on field against the Lions.
 
The media love the smell of blood in the water. They can smell it now and justifiably so after our first two weeks.

A team that has been regularly in the finals stinking it up to the point of being uncompetitive against a poor team in St Kilda is always going to raise serious questions.

We've brought it on ourselves, but the best way to respond is on field against the Lions.
St Kilda may turn out to be better than most people are thinking. More so when some of their injured players return. Likely finalists.
 
St Kilda may turn out to be better than most people are thinking. More so when some of their injured players return. Likely finalists.

My thoughts also.

I was there on Saturday evening and I came away both disappointed and feeling like I'd seen the season's big improvers.
 
You are right... it's what I've said all along.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
These clowns have been throwing mud at Bevo for 8 years and only now is it sticking - their bullshit narratives that they have been banging on with suddenly sound like they could be right 4 and 5 years later because we are having a lean patch. When you follow what they say over several years it is obvious. The s**t they write has holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon.
This is not having a go at Thommo, he calls it as he sees it and always has. It's the other AFL Media scum.
Reading that piece by Thomas makes me think Saints were after Bevo, probably the club gave him another two year extension.
 
Meh...ALFMedia have always been a bunch of parasitic, agenda driven snivelling cowards.

They were always going to go hard at Beveridge the moment we had a downturn. After all revenge is a dish best served in column inches.

Even though I dont consume any of the dreck they serve up. I doubt that any of their opinions are any worse than what's we've been saying in here in the last couple of weeks. The only real difference is that we are genuinely invested in how he performs. They on the other hand are invested in settling known and unknown scores due to Beveridges errrr...prickly relationship with them. This is the one aspect of his coaching tenure that I will always 100% support. **** those guys right in their stupid faces



Why would Clarko to us have been a pipe dream?

He went to North! Surely if we'd gone after him we would be the more likely club to get him?

Just another f**k up if this current administration. We had the most successful coach of the modern era available and we didn't even think about approaching him.

Let me tell you why it was a pipe dream.

Our season was still live, we hadn't yet played any finals and were still in contention by the time he signed on at Norf!

Ive gotta ask. On what possible basis should we have approached Clarkson?

Here's the thing. At the start of this season we already had the most successful coach in the clubs history. One who oversaw the the recruitment of a number of players that most in here would've thought strengthened our side. That it doesn't appear to have turned out that way can only be said with a massive dollop of hindsight.

Something that you may posses but is clearly lacking from the boards point of view.
 

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