What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

[goodcop badcop]

Simon Dalrymple Sydney Swans recruiter - HEAR THE VOICE (podcast)

01:29:04 - Simon Dalrymple is a recruiter at the Sydney Swans F.C in the AFL. Simon has a great journey from teaching, head coaching, development and current r…

www.listennotes.com

Long interview with Simon Dalrymple. It's pretty old now, so not sure if this has been shared. Talks about his playing days, coaching and teaching life first up. Then just after the 36 minute mark talks about the bulldogs if people want to fast forward to that.

Was a very interesting interview and it certainly sounds like he has no love for Eade and the footy manager in 16/17. I'm guessing that was Chris Maple at the time? Basically said the club got a bit out of control under his watch. Also says a bit about Bevo, that there was no constraint on his power and their relationship deteriorated after 16.

 

[Philthy1]

Talking about someone DURING the season.

Not the first and certainly won’t be the last to do something during the season.

They are 20 somethings. Yeah they might be professional athletes but not sure we can expect them to be like monks.

Yeah, I would rather they don’t wipe themselves out, but our issues are primarily coaching and game plan.

 

[Dog 36]

Maple is one person of many that you would hope a review puts the spotlight on
Been at the club a long time

 

[doggies ftw]

Maple is one person of many that you would hope a review puts the spotlight on him.
Been at the club for a long time

Maples been in player development roles and you’d think from the outside looking in has done a great job, one of the things we’ve done well as a club.

Absolute indictment on the football director to allow things to get like that between our gun recruiter & Bev, it’s his job to reign people in and make sure everyone stays in their lane.

It’s quite damning though for someone to say that publicly though - really shows that everyone’s worries about Bevo and his control at the club are completely justified, and we wonder why our assistants are shit? Who would want to work under that…

 

[goodcop badcop]

Maples been in player development roles and you’d think from the outside looking in has done a great job, one of the things we’ve done well as a club.

Absolute indictment on the football director to allow things to get like that between our gun recruiter & Bev, it’s his job to reign people in and make sure everyone stays in their lane.

It’s quite damning though for someone to say that publicly though - really shows that everyone’s worries about Bevo and his control at the club are completely justified, and we wonder why our assistants are s**t? Who would want to work under that…

Confirmed. Chris Maple was the footy manager at the time.

Maple named Western Bulldogs’ new football general manager

Former Tatyoon coach and Ararat resident Chris Maple has been given a top job at the Western Bulldogs.

www.araratadvertiser.com.au

He's now the coaching and operations manager which was previously named coaching + performance manager.

Hasn't been in development roles for a while now.

 

[Dog 36]

Maple role last 5 years has changed I think to what it was back in 15 16
Sometimes the titles they have are hard to work out where their responsibility starts and ends

He had a stint as VFL coach from memory

 

[doggies ftw]

Confirmed. Chris Maple was the footy manager at the time.

Maple named Western Bulldogs’ new football general manager

Former Tatyoon coach and Ararat resident Chris Maple has been given a top job at the Western Bulldogs.

www.araratadvertiser.com.au

He's now the coaching and operations manager which was previously named coaching + performance manager.

Hasn't been in development roles for a while now.

Fair enough, probably falls at his feet then.

Maddocks mainly in charge of player development these days then I suppose? Always seems to be the guy presenting jumpers & getting credit from the new guys

 

[goodcop badcop]

Fair enough, probably falls at his feet then.

Maddocks mainly in charge of player development these days then I suppose? Always seems to be the guy presenting jumpers & getting credit from the new guys

Yep, it says Maddocks is the development manager on the website.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Maple role last 5 years has changed I think to what it was back in 15 16
Sometimes the titles they have are hard to work out where their responsibility starts and ends

He had a stint as VFL coach from memory

It seems Maple's role is this if it's similar to 2016. Here's his bio from 2016

Maple moved into the newly created role of Coaching Performance Manager and will support the development of the Club's assistant coaches while providing direct assistance to Senior Coach Luke Beveridge. Maple also oversees performance analysis and player welfare.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

It seems Maple's role is this if it's similar to 2016. Here's his bio from 2016

Maple moved into the newly created role of Coaching Performance Manager and will support the development of the Club's assistant coaches while providing direct assistance to Senior Coach Luke Beveridge. Maple also oversees performance analysis and player welfare.

I am pretty certain maple syrup used by date would have expired by now.

 

[Al dente]

Simon Dalrymple Sydney Swans recruiter - HEAR THE VOICE (podcast)

01:29:04 - Simon Dalrymple is a recruiter at the Sydney Swans F.C in the AFL. Simon has a great journey from teaching, head coaching, development and current r…

www.listennotes.com

Long interview with Simon Dalrymple. It's pretty old now, so not sure if this has been shared. Talks about his playing days, coaching and teaching life first up. Then just after the 36 minute mark talks about the bulldogs if people want to fast forward to that.

Was a very interesting interview and it certainly sounds like he has no love for Eade and the footy manager in 16/17. I'm guessing that was Chris Maple at the time? Basically said the club got a bit out of control under his watch. Also says a bit about Bevo, that there was no constraint on his power and their relationship deteriorated after 16.

fantastic listen,

ive always wondered how they made the worst selection in draft history #15 Christian Howard. He mentioned it specifically, said they were all new at it, under resourced and had no ideas about differences in the levels of different national senior and junior comps.

A really good lesson of how cutting corners can lead to big mistakes and it takes years to build your staffs knowledge and skills up again. I hope we havent done that in regards to our soft cap cuts post covid.

 

[TiAn_]

Simon Dalrymple Sydney Swans recruiter - HEAR THE VOICE (podcast)

01:29:04 - Simon Dalrymple is a recruiter at the Sydney Swans F.C in the AFL. Simon has a great journey from teaching, head coaching, development and current r…

www.listennotes.com

Long interview with Simon Dalrymple. It's pretty old now, so not sure if this has been shared. Talks about his playing days, coaching and teaching life first up. Then just after the 36 minute mark talks about the bulldogs if people want to fast forward to that.

Was a very interesting interview and it certainly sounds like he has no love for Eade and the footy manager in 16/17. I'm guessing that was Chris Maple at the time? Basically said the club got a bit out of control under his watch. Also says a bit about Bevo, that there was no constraint on his power and their relationship deteriorated after 16.

Really interesting how pointed his comments were about limiting coaches’ input because coaches may want to recruit players based on relationship and because they like them, e.g. they remind them of themselves or they try hard, as opposed to whether they’re good enough. Particularly given what he says later about Beveridge.

Pretty concerning to hear how much Beveridge’s approach changed in 2017, how we didn’t maintain a separation of powers in the footy department, and it was the impetus for Dalrymple leaving.

 

[Al dente]

Really interesting how pointed his comments were about limiting coaches’ input because coaches may want to recruit players based on relationship and because they like them, e.g. they remind them of themselves or they try hard, as opposed to whether they’re good enough.

yeah, its just a scathing indictment on Maple and Bevo in 2017, how power goes to your head and you move away from what worked in 15/16, and how Maple had no idea as a footy manager. Bevo's saying of 'let bakers bake' then he wins a flag and 6 months later he's overriding Dalrymple and his team on selections theyve put thousands of hours into. and then ultimately having a footy department vote on, i imagine, that Carlton dud, where Dalrymple is one vote of many, wow!

then he leaves and Bevo needs to justify it by playing said player...selection issues...compounding problems....we waste a golden era of 6 years....and here we are

 

[doggies ftw]

then he leaves and Bevo needs to justify it by playing said player...selection issues...compounding problems....we waste a golden era of 6 years....and here we are

Especially considering Dal probably had as big a hand in our flag as any…

What a flipping shambles, having this said publicly proves a lot of peoples concerns here too. We need change ASAP

 

[Al dente]

Especially considering Dal probably had as big a hand in our flag as any…

What a *ing shambles, having this said publicly proves a lot of peoples concerns here too. We need change ASAP

and the lesson Bevo probably took from the farce that was dalrymple leaving and the Maple situation was to hire people who could fit into a poor system where people dont stay in their lanes.

sounds like Sydney are just great at keeping in their lanes, enforced by the footy manager, thats why they stay up year on year.

 

[dergert]

 

[D Mitchell]

Thanks to TiAn for posting that podcast, a very pleasant Sunday afternoon listening. The highlights are his accounts of recruiting Stringer and Bont, particularly the latter. A couple of blokes with whom I go to the footy met with Dalrymple on multiple occasions, both speak very highly of him as a bloke and just why comes through in the interview, his recruitment record speaks for itself. Dalrymple had difficulties with Maple, gracious enough not to name him. About all Dalrymple says about Bev is that in 2017, Bev had too much power, small wonder

Is there any credible basis, beyond “I reckon that…”, for the portrayal of Bev as
(a) having an inferior game plans;
(b) lacking flexibility;
(c) being a football dictator surrounding himself with yes men ?

The mysteries of
(a) inconsistent performance since 2017;
(b) those 3 Melbourne goals in the 3rd quarter and subsequent capitulation in the 2021 Grand Final; then
(c) post 1st quarter 2022 Elimination Final
remain unresolved. I put the last 2 down to player effort. The real mystery is why such poor effort ?

 

[Custard Guts]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign.

 

[Here we go dogs]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign

Baines only started with us end of 2017. So for all we know he might of made some changes since he was involved as it sounds as though Dalrymples issues would outdate him.

I think Baines seems like a good operator and is highly regarded. More than a few question marks on Grant as footy boss.

 

[doggies ftw]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign.

Unfortunately I think we’ve already wasted this post ‘16 opportunity & the best possible result for the club in an ideal world would be to fail badly again next year and get a full clean out off-field whilst hitting the draft hard this year & next for a quick rebound based around our gun youth and still make the most of late career Bont/Macrae. Even a half assed fail next year probably doesn’t achieve a clean out knowing this club.

Of course that sounds ****ing shit though so hopefully we bring in some good on-field & off-field targets this off-season and things magically swing back around next year

 

[Al dente]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign.

i just hope there has been some turning of the ship in the last couple of years (im not optimistic), and that our luck with academy and father sons offsets some of the damage

 

[D Mitchell]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign.

Dalrymple fell out with the newly appointed Maple after his 10 years at the Club. He left and went to a new employer. Swans. Where do you get the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments or a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control" from anything in that interview ? He describes his time at the club as fulfilling, reveals Rocket's temperament and obviously enjoyed the 2016 flag. Where is there in his interview that says otherwise ? Unless you are on the Board, a senior employee of the Club or are privy to some sort of a report, where are you getting this anti Bev material from ?

 

[maddog37]

Pretty deflating stuff from Dalrymple.

Sadly clarifies the working climate at the club as we continue to grapple with ongoing repercussions of a coach whose chutzpah calcified after a flag and clearly felt further emboldened to overreach while being enabled by timid colleagues rather than the healthy system of internal checks and balances of more professional - and successful - environments, like Sydney apparently.

There's a lengthy laundry list of concerns post-2016, chief among them the view Bevo needs better support, but how are we supposed to attract it when well-credentialed types like Dalrymple are on the record as saying the environment became dysfunctional enough that his work was being devalued and it was impacting his personal wellbeing and ultimately wanted out of a situation he describes verbatim as being "out of control". This from one of the chief architects of our 2016 premiership.

So great. Let's improve the quality of Bevo's support staff, but how do you even begin satisfying prospective recruits that's a workplace worth entering, if you can get them to sit down with you at all. This is plainly industry-wide knowledge and explains perfectly why we have blokes like Our Mastermind, Matty Spangher in a key role on a club most feel should be regularly contending. Meanwhile look at the quality of off-field talent we've bled post-flag and found challenging to replace.

In essence, Bevo's capacity to perform his job as best he's able, with the best support we can surround him with, is being hampered by his own hubris.

I'm as furious at Grant & Bains as anyone else in this whole equation.

It simply cannot continue but I have no idea how they go about putting the toothpaste back in the tube because it appears it's Bevo's show now for as long as he's there.

I for one welcome the ensuing 'Downfall' memes during the last days of his reign.

 

[TiAn_]

Thanks to TiAn for posting that podcast, a very pleasant Sunday afternoon listening. The highlights are his accounts of recruiting Stringer and Bont, particularly the latter. A couple of blokes with whom I go to the footy met with Dalrymple on multiple occasions, both speak very highly of him as a bloke and just why comes through in the interview, his recruitment record speaks for itself. Dalrymple had difficulties with Maple, gracious enough not to name him. About all Dalrymple says about Bev is that in 2017, Bev had too much power, small wonder

Is there any credible basis, beyond “I reckon that…”, for the portrayal of Bev as
(a) having an inferior game plans;
(b) lacking flexibility;
(c) being a football dictator surrounding himself with yes men ?

The mysteries of
(a) inconsistent performance since 2017;
(b) those 3 Melbourne goals in the 3rd quarter and subsequent capitulation in the 2021 Grand Final; then
(c) post 1st quarter 2022 Elimination Final
remain unresolved. I put the last 2 down to player effort. The real mystery is why such poor effort ?

Can’t take credit, it was goodcop badcop that shared.

 

[D Mitchell]

Can’t take credit, it was goodcop badcop that shared.

Thanks Goodcopbadcop