What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

[The Punter]

Allow me to pull my head out of my arse if that's the case.

However, Have you seen the mugs on the St Filledher players? A Tall Blonde figurehead - Just what's needed to pull in all the little teenies like Duthie,

My apologies for misunderstanding your drivel. I read this to be a comment about the players.

You keep talking about supporters. The Melbourne supporters didn't vote for a merger because, as they weren't members, they were not given a vote. And rightly so. Membership is the only game in town, and it's why Fitzroy's is against Mazenod and not GWS.

I don't think St Kilda's history is "awesome", and I don't believe I have inferred as much. But while you are on your high horse giving history lessons, it should be noted that St Kilda have finished last twice since the introduction of the draft, while for Melbourne that would be an average 2 year period.

But by all means continue to contribute to this unpopular opinions thread and confusing unpopular with "has little basis in fact".

End communcation.

 

[BM123]

Thanks for filling this page with shit guys.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Thanks for filling this page with shit guys.

anytime.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Jono Brown shows more heart and skill whilst picking his nose than Reiwoldt does in a season of football.

Pav is so so as well.
Tredrea was a VERY smart player (much smarter than Nick).
Cloke is shit,
Franklin shits on Nick in EVERY way as does Roughhead.

In regards to the MVP AA etc... well That kinda proves he's over rated, especially with how bad his foot and hand skills are. Being a nice guy, running a heap and sticking out like dogs balls because of how you look doesn't make you a champion.

Granted - he may be a good leader (when he's not crying) - but there are other captains that are below par performers Eg: Nick maxwell & Jack trengove.

Anyway, I've made my position clear. Agree or disagree i really couldn't give a Flying F to be honest. I'm not here to convince you of anything, I came to post my UNPOPULAR AFL Opinion - just like the thread title states.

BTW - a captain and Forward that has little to no effect in a GF is classified as a choker.

Then surely Brown should have kicked more goals, won an MVP, been All-Australian captain. Riewoldt has played 10 more games than Brown, but kicked only 3 less goals. If there is such a difference in class/talent b/w the players, why is Riewoldt so evenly matched against Brown who has so much more heart and skill?

Good for you mate. You sound like an intelligent person. State an opinion, don't back it up with facts, ignore facts that are presented to you.

So Carey, Pavlich, Ablett, Lockett are chokers? Why didn't these players win their teams Grand Finals?

 

[the_interloper]

Thanks for filling this page with shit guys.

What do you expect? It's the offseason champ.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Then surely Brown should have kicked more goals, won an MVP, been All-Australian captain. Riewoldt has played 10 more games than Brown, but kicked only 3 less goals. If there is such a difference in class/talent b/w the players, why is Riewoldt so evenly matched against Brown who has so much more heart and skill?

Good for you mate. You sound like an intelligent person. State an opinion, don't back it up with facts, ignore facts that are presented to you.

So Carey, Pavlich, Ablett, Lockett are chokers? Why didn't these players win their teams Grand Finals?

So with 10 more games he kicks 3 less goals - that in itself proves my point especially when Jono spent time off the ground due to being hit by a car and writing said car off. Having more heart doesn't mean more goals, it means putting your body on the line and going when most question if they should, it means getting your face smashed in and coming back to the game rather than crying over a broken collar bone. I've only seen Nick show some heart once in his entire career - and it was that barrel roll mark he took a few years back.

Carey, Ablett and Lockett were much better footballers than Nick.

This hurt that you guys are showing is unbelievable. Get over it. You are coming across as little sissies that are throwing their dirty nappies all over the place because someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

 

[The Punter]

Having more heart doesn't mean more goals, it means putting your body on the line and going when most question if they should, it means getting your face smashed in and coming back to the game rather than crying over a broken collar bone. I've only seen Nick show some heart once in his entire career - and it was that barrel roll mark he took a few years back.

So the Melbourne Lion missed this...




And this



Saying Carey, Ablett and Lockett were all better footballers than Riewoldt is a defensible opinion.

Mentioning sissies and nappies just means you have no class.

Mentioning the leader of the third reich because of a person's hair colour just proves you are insane.

 

[Ian Dunross]

So with 10 more games he kicks 3 less goals - that in itself proves my point especially when Jono spent time off the ground due to being hit by a car and writing said car off. Having more heart doesn't mean more goals, it means putting your body on the line and going when most question if they should, it means getting your face smashed in and coming back to the game rather than crying over a broken collar bone. I've only seen Nick show some heart once in his entire career - and it was that barrel roll mark he took a few years back.

Carey, Ablett and Lockett were much better footballers than Nick.

This hurt that you guys are showing is unbelievable. Get over it. You are coming across as little sissies that are throwing their dirty nappies all over the place because someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

If you figure quoting statistics is throwing nappies then I fear there is no helping you.

If you figure the only way to show heart is to throw yourself into a pack with the flight of the ball then that underlines how little you understand the game.

Carey, Ablett and Lockett are no doubt better players than Riewoldt, but 89 aside for Ablett, none of them have done anything serious in the GFs they've played. It is by that measure that you were using to write off Riewoldt, by that same measure, these players cannot be champions.

 

[Partridge]

If you figure quoting statistics is throwing nappies then I fear there is no helping you.

If you figure the only way to show heart is to throw yourself into a pack with the flight of the ball then that underlines how little you understand the game.

Carey, Ablett and Lockett are no doubt better players than Riewoldt, but 89 aside for Ablett, none of them have done anything serious in the GFs they've played. It is by that measure that you were using to write off Riewoldt, by that same measure, these players cannot be champions.

Lockett did kick 6 goals in his only Grand Final appearance in 1996. I'd say that's a pretty high pass mark.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Lockett did kick 6 goals in his only Grand Final appearance in 1996. I'd say that's a pretty high pass mark.

I recalled that it was only 4. My mistake.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Joel Bowden's actions could be analogous to the actions of a tagger. He simply harassed and annoyed, within the rules. No biting or behind the play hits when the umpire wasn't looking - no, he was very clean - just purely good scragging while everyone is watching and within the rules. Don't like it? Fine, but don't call him a cheat.

Time wasting for 40 seconds is pretty minor.

IMO a worse action is Joel Selwood's ducking of the knees to draw a free kick, because it exploits a rule that is designed to protect the players (high tackle) whereas Joel Bowden exploited a rule giving permission for defenders to rush the ball. The repercussions of Selwood's exploitation of the rules are non-existent because you can't easily reduce the governing of a rule concerned with player safety.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

An unpopular opinion I have is that Terry Wallace was a very good coach. The drop in credibility and reputation is unfair and people don't realise how little he had to work with.

Also, as 'the list manager' he's actually one of the best analysts in the media, yet quite a few disregard his opinion because of what happened at Richmond.

 

[Pies12]

Jono Brown shows more heart and skill whilst picking his nose than Reiwoldt does in a season of football.

Pav is so so as well.
Tredrea was a VERY smart player (much smarter than Nick).
Cloke is shit,
Franklin shits on Nick in EVERY way as does Roughhead.

In regards to the MVP AA etc... well That kinda proves he's over rated, especially with how bad his foot and hand skills are. Being a nice guy, running a heap and sticking out like dogs balls because of how you look doesn't make you a champion.

Granted - he may be a good leader (when he's not crying) - but there are other captains that are below par performers Eg: Nick maxwell & Jack trengove.

Anyway, I've made my position clear. Agree or disagree i really couldn't give a Flying F to be honest. I'm not here to convince you of anything, I came to post my UNPOPULAR AFL Opinion - just like the thread title states.

BTW - a captain and Forward that has little to no effect in a GF is classified as a choker.

Embarrassing comment, keep posting page after page of rubbish though.

Super stuff

 

[Hawkas1988]

An unpopular opinion I have is that Terry Wallace was a very good coach. The drop in credibility and reputation is unfair and people don't realise how little he had to work with.

Also, as 'the list manager' he's actually one of the best analysts in the media, yet quite a few disregard his opinion because of what happened at Richmond.

Some of his decisions set Richmond back bigtime, tambling, trading for mcmahon etc, he was overrated as a coach b4 he went to Richmond, he thinks his sh*t doesn't I stink too and has always had an inflated opinion of himself, I wouldn't like a guy like Terry in charge of my football club that's for sure

 

[Partridge]

Joel Bowden's actions could be analogous to the actions of a tagger. He simply harassed and annoyed, within the rules. No biting or behind the play hits when the umpire wasn't looking - no, he was very clean - just purely good scragging while everyone is watching and within the rules. Don't like it? Fine, but don't call him a cheat.

Time wasting for 40 seconds is pretty minor.

IMO a worse action is Joel Selwood's ducking of the knees to draw a free kick, because it exploits a rule that is designed to protect the players (high tackle) whereas Joel Bowden exploited a rule giving permission for defenders to rush the ball. The repercussions of Selwood's exploitation of the rules are non-existent because you can't easily reduce the governing of a rule concerned with player safety.

Agree completely on Bowden. He did what players (and coaches) have always done and will always do - exploit the rules for their benefit. As long as there is a certain rule in place, and a way to legally get around it, it is going to be exploited. If people are so outraged by a player holding the ball for 40 seconds, here's an idea - put someone on him!

Regarding Selwood, how do knees duck exactly? Does he drop his knees or shrug his shoulders? I'd say he shrugs his shoulders far more than he drops his knees. It's exactly the same. It's legal, and no matter how irrational and stupid you are, you can't clothesline a guy and not give away a free kick. This shouldn't be difficult to accept.

 

[timtamWB]

An unpopular opinion I have is that Terry Wallace was a very good coach. The drop in credibility and reputation is unfair and people don't realise how little he had to work with.

Also, as 'the list manager' he's actually one of the best analysts in the media, yet quite a few disregard his opinion because of what happened at Richmond.

I wouldn't say very good, but that's neither here nor there. He is not a good list manager. He is not good at analysing it. He is not good at seeing junior talent as proved countless times over the past few years with his "power rankings." He constantly misjudges people's lists, their game plans, their talents, and what deficiencies they might have despite the bleeding obvious. He is not one of the best analysts in the media at all.

 

[SuburbanMe]

So the Melbourne Lion missed this...




And this



Saying Carey, Ablett and Lockett were all better footballers than Riewoldt is a defensible opinion.

Mentioning sissies and nappies just means you have no class.

Mentioning the leader of the third reich because of a person's hair colour just proves you are insane.

Excuse me, but @Wonnaemirri33 is the official Melbourne Lion around these parts. Please take note for future reference.

Notice how both those marks were chest marks - one trick pony. And those 2 videos are you justifying Nick having testicular fortitude?

O.K.

If you act like a baby - you get labeled as a baby.

And lastly, the Hitlers utopian Lovechild comment was clearly a tongue in cheek comment, and the sheer fact you're trying to bring that up proves the previous statement to be true.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Embarrassing comment, keep posting page after page of rubbish though.

Super stuff

LOL - is this a childcare service?

 

[Partridge]

An unpopular opinion I have is that Terry Wallace was a very good coach. The drop in credibility and reputation is unfair and people don't realise how little he had to work with.

Also, as 'the list manager' he's actually one of the best analysts in the media, yet quite a few disregard his opinion because of what happened at Richmond.

This is where I vehemently disagree. He was the coach. He was in charge of the football team which includes recruitment. He recruited Tambling, and Oakley-Nicholls, and if that wasn't enough, Jordan McMahon. The argument that he had little to work with is not valid because he had long enough to recruit decent players but failed to do so. Again.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Notice how both those marks were chest marks - one trick pony. And those 2 videos are you justifying Nick having testicular fortitude?

And lastly, the Hitlers utopian Lovechild comment was clearly a tongue in cheek comment, and the sheer fact you're trying to bring that up proves the previous statement to be true.

It's a mark running with the flight of the ball. It is a chest mark every time. See Jonathan Brown's marks running with the flight of the ball. They. Are. Also. Chest. Marks.

Now I know how anyone who's ever had a conversation with Andy Maher must feel. Painful.

You don't get to cite Hitler and then come across as the adult in the room.

My last engagement with you. A waste of everyone's time. There's no reasoning with an idiot.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

I wouldn't say very good, but that's neither here nor there. He is not a good list manager. He is not good at analysing it. He is not good at seeing junior talent as proved countless times over the past few years with his "power rankings." He constantly misjudges people's lists, their game plans, their talents, and what deficiencies they might have despite the bleeding obvious. He is not one of the best analysts in the media at all.

Some of his decisions set Richmond back bigtime, tambling, trading for mcmahon etc, he was overrated as a coach b4 he went to Richmond, he thinks his sh*t doesn't I stink too and has always had an inflated opinion of himself, I wouldn't like a guy like Terry in charge of my football club that's for sure

Yeah you guys are completely welcome to your views and that's why my view is unpopular - I really think he was a very good tactical coach and an innovative contributor of the game.

Regarding Selwood, how do knees duck exactly? Does he drop his knees or shrug his shoulders? I'd say he shrugs his shoulders far more than he drops his knees. It's exactly the same. It's legal, and no matter how irrational and stupid you are, you can't clothesline a guy and not give away a free kick. This shouldn't be difficult to accept.

I'm understanding of what Joel does, but I think it's almost impossible not to clothesline a guy who drops his body 10 inches the second before you tackle him. Since it could inflict harm on himself, and often results in an advantage for his team, I fear the action will proliferate this year with half the league pressured into dropping their knees and forcing high contact. I do see the similarity to Joel though in the sense that it's within the rules, but I guess I put it in a lower category due to the harm it could cause, the type of rule being exploited, and the frequency it occurs.

 

[Engimal]

Also, Carey - the greatest player ever to play the game in most opinions, kicked one goal in the 96 GF and two in the 99 GF, and missed sitters in the 98 GF. Key forwards struggle in GFs.

To be fair, it wasn't just Carey missing sitters that day.

 

[The Punter]

Ahh, Wonnaemirri33. To be perfectly honest I thought you were the same person. Same clubs supported, same persecution complex.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

This is where I vehemently disagree. He was the coach. He was in charge of the football team which includes recruitment. He recruited Tambling, and Oakley-Nicholls, and if that wasn't enough, Jordan McMahon. The argument that he had little to work with is not valid because he had long enough to recruit decent players but failed to do so. Again.

You need a well-financed football department and full time staff in all areas to be successful in the ultra-professional modern AFL environment. No one man can run the show. Everybody knows about and agrees with that, but few apply it to Terry Wallace.

"He is in charge of the football team which includes recruitment" - quite the opposite, the recruiting team is in charge of recruitment and he didn't even have 1 full time recruiter when he started. Not one recruiter!

He had to paint the walls himself. He had to clean possum shit out of the office.

My argument is he had a lack of resources - he failed at recruiting but it was never his job to recruit JON or Tambling or Deledio. Why should he be blamed for trades and recruits? Hardwick didn't trade for Maric, Chaplin, Houli, Morris, etc - Blair Hartley did.

If Terry Wallace had a team of 4-5 full time recruiters and 4-5 part-timers and a Blair Hartley full time expert to make trades for him, then he could focus on just coaching, which he's very good at. And even if he might have the ability to make trades or draft 18yos, no one man can do everything at once or they'll perform worse at everything. That's what happened to Terry Wallace.

Terry Wallace is a perfect example of the difference a strong and well-financed club can make over the fortunes of the team, hence the strong correlation between football department spending and success these days. If you don't spend big and have multiple full time positions in every area - you won't succeed.

 

[Ian Dunross]

To be fair, it wasn't just Carey missing sitters that day.

At least you won it the next year!