What's going on with Carlton's list

[mediumsizered]

Oh the hypocracy. Honestly, you can't write this stuff any better.

It seems as though Carlton are happy to hang their hat on 'being within a kick of the prelim!'
And 'having top draft picks!'

Dude, I'm 30* and can't remember one Carlton flag (I wasn't old enough to remember '87) In that time you have won 3 spoons and we have won 2 flags (I was there for both). Talk about history all you want mate but surely you're getting a little thirsty. Maybe one day you might be able to say "at least we were there".

In the meantime, you finished 10th and have done nothing to improve your list. A number of the teams above you had as many injuries or a worse run.

We are happy with where we're at. You sound a little worried. That or delusional.

Thanks for coming. Back to the safety of your Board. Maybe you can talk about your awesome list and how all 22 AAs.

(* Oh and that makes it one successful campaign in 30 years. '95*.Therefore, 29 unsuccessful campaigns.)

I'm sorry you can't remember one Carlton flag, but I don't give a shit because I can remember 7 of them (we have won 8 in my lifetime), including being in attendance at 3 of them (2 against Collingwood, both games in which Collingwood choked).

As far as getting thirsty goes, I believe Collingwood supporters would be fairly knowledgeable on that aspect having endured 32 year & 20 year droughts before their last 2 premierships (the only 2 premierships in our lifetime). Such comments coming from a 30 year old don't surprise me though. We all know many of your generation have short attention spans & struggle to remember anything that happened beyond last week.

But, if you want to have a dick-measuring contest, my club has given me a lot more premiership joy since I have been following them than your club has given to you. I wouldn't swap the 7 premierships I have enjoyed for your measly 2 premierships, but then as I have already stated, some Collingwood supporters are more than happy to celebrate nearly getting there.

 

[Mick98]

I'm sorry you can't remember one Carlton flag, but I don't give a shit because I can remember 7 of them (we have won 8 in my lifetime), including being in attendance at 3 of them (2 against Collingwood, both games in which Collingwood choked).

As far as getting thirsty goes, I believe Collingwood supporters would be fairly knowledgeable on that aspect having endured 32 year & 20 year droughts before their last 2 premierships (the only 2 premierships in our lifetime). Such comments coming from a 30 year old don't surprise me though. We all know many of your generation have short attention spans & struggle to remember anything that happened beyond last week.

But, if you want to have a dick-measuring contest, my club has given me a lot more premiership joy since I have been following them than your club has given to you. I wouldn't swap the 7 premierships I have enjoyed for your measly 2 premierships, but then as I have already stated, some Collingwood supporters are more than happy to celebrate nearly getting there.

I wouldn't swap our 2010 flag either.

Or watching the constant failure delivered by Carlton for the last 17 years.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I wouldn't swap our 2010 flag either.

Or watching the constant failure delivered by Carlton for the last 17 years.

If losing a GF is a failure (like in 99), then im sure you're familiar with constant failure.

 

[mediumsizered]

I wouldn't swap our 2010 flag either.

Or watching the constant failure delivered by Carlton for the last 17 years.

So one premiership & Carlton failing is enough to keep you happy? As I alluded to previously, some of you are easily pleased.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

So one premiership & Carlton failing is enough to keep you happy? As I alluded to previously, some of you are easily pleased.

Don't think you're quite grasping the point. Are you satisfied with Carlton's performance over the last decade? One finals win and one kick off a prelim in 2011 is all you have to sing about. Carlton supporters talk about 2011 as some sort of success and because you came oh so close in 2011 (if making a semi is close), assume 2013 will see similar glories repeated.

 

[JustaBattler]

The past matters in so far as how many flags have been won and what preparations have been put in place for the next flag. Carlton was shut out of AFL contention and even shut out of list building a decade ago. A few spoons and a few first picks don't and can't compensate for 2 years out of the draft and a list which had been mismanaged prior to that - for the sake of short term success. This was Carlton's fault.

Salary cap cheating and the penalties associated with same was half the disaster - the other half was bad administration in the first place and a failed attempt to build a home ground leaving the Club in a difficult financial situation to say the least. The upshot was a no bargaining or leverage position and Etihad Stadium as Carlton's so called home ground - probably the most galling reminder and remnant of the payment for silliness.

Fortunately, despite the lack of so much there is no lack of financial sponsorship - ironically this good will is based on the might and power of Carlton's past. This goodwill on the part of private sponsors - something which inflames minnow Clubs because they don't understand the why's of such generosity that Carlton (and Essendon) can draw on, has laid the foundations of the next cycle of success.

Judd was a coup in that he is such a champion player that midfield ability was pretty much carried by him on his shoulders whilst a younger brigade developed around him and others lifted. Three semi-final appearances in a row under the coaching of Ratten established a benchmark that was minimum However the pressure was always on Ratten especially after the team's disastrous loss to Brisbane in an elimination final. This loss and the way many felt he mismanaged tactics in the final quarter of that game saw many never commit to Ratten past 'caretaker' role. The following year saw a loss against Sydney first up - to many again in less than satisfactory circumstance. Ratten accomplished a lot in 2011 - sans Fevola many didn't know where goals were going to come from - but they did A mature Betts and maturing Garlett as well as a stand out year from Walker and Simpson and goals from Murphy and Gibbs lifted expectations considerably and justifiably so.

In 2012, for Ratten the combination of a bad run of injuries AND inexplicable losses at crucial stages of the season WITH the availability of a proven coach in Malthouse saw the pressure on Ratten intensify - after the Port loss in particular.

It is a mistake to think that Carlton have hired Malthouse to achieve short term success. It is normal for a professional coach to give his list every opportunity to perform under his game plan and his administration - before making changes he feels are required. Cloke was justifiably Carlton's only interest in the FA period. "A" Cloke and there aren't too many of them - was worth an extravagant payment - for what his ability as a CHF would bring to Carlton. Well Cloke is staying at Collingwood therefore an 'easier' fix is not to be as far as tall structure goes.

Others now have the opportunity and fitness to show what they can do.

Malthouse has already stated what his mission is and that is to make sure that Carlton's worst performances are significantly better than they have been in the past. In order to do this he will do what many Carlton supporters have been asking for - and that is to play a larger bodied inside type player, take the pressure off Judd, provide a game style that holds up week in week out and work from there. If Carlton gets more consistent then many positive things flow.

For those that think Carlton will continue to be up one week down another - you will be disappointed. The first five rounds will test Carlton in 2013 and test the ability of the list to play under a new Coach possibly in a very new way, I suspect much like Freemantle did last year, Carlton will become harder to beat as the season progresses. Players that will succeed under Malthouse will be players prepared to run forwards AND back with equal determination for 4 quarters. Malthouse has a lot to work with and a list young and talented enough to do much better than they have previously as far as consistency goes.

Irrespective of what Carlton accomplishes in 2013 - expect quit a few changes to the list in 2014. Carlton has the financial ammunition and salary cap space which will only get larger (as a few contracts expire in a year's time) - to add experienced depth as required and as opportunity presents. One thing Malthouse has always been good at - it is to look for younger players and give them a go. Forced to play some of these last year - down back, I am excited about a fit McIness, a developing Watson but very excited about Bell in the midfield and Casboult as a marking target. It has been to many years as a Carlton supporter waiting to see some genuine excitement from young players developing in a more mature team.

After too many years in the wilderness I think Carlton has in place all the ingredients to cause quite a few headaches for other teams - hopefully ruffling not only Collingwood's feathers but also Hawthorn and West Coast's as well.

 

[mediumsizered]

Don't think you're quite grasping the point. Are you satisfied with Carlton's performance over the last decade? One finals win and one kick off a prelim in 2011 is all you have to sing about. Carlton supporters talk about 2011 as some sort of success and because you came oh so close in 2011 (if making a semi is close), assume 2013 will see similar glories repeated.

No, I am extremely disappointed with the last decade. A totally wasted decade, but I was very fortunate to have enjoyed 20+ years of success before it all went pear-shaped, for that I am grateful. The great thing about our game is it can change & sometimes very quickly.

Some footy followers seem to think they have a mortgage on the knowledge of what it takes to be a successful club. Those people are kidding themselves. If they knew what they were talking about they would be pulling a six figure salary at an AFL club, not posting on BF. We are all just speculating, but some seem to think their opinion is the be all & end all. Again, those people are kidding themselves.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

^^ Fair enough, reasonable answer.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I can tell you having only experienced one flag in my life, and not being old enough to know what it was about I am so ****ing hungry for a flag, this piss poor decade (behind us technically, although I wonder about mentally) will just make the eventual breakthrough so sweet. I want what Sydney supporters had in 2005. What Geelong supporters got in 07'. I want the drought breaker, just one really, the others are icing, but one year of success, one premiership would be so goddamn beautiful.

The above is why I look at our list and I see players with a hell of a lot of talent and I think, they can do it. For a decade I couldn't say that, now I can. Maybe they won't get there, but I know they could and that is where my hopes rest, just like every football fan

 

[Gone Critical]

Yes, we lost Carrazzo.......and Laidler and Yarran, all in the first quarter, down to one interchange in the first quarter of the game. Of course we were going to be stunned after that. FFS, Laidler and Carrazzo went down in the first 5 minutes of the game. Hilarious how posters only point to 'losing' Carrazzo in that game.

My basic premise was you played badly that day if you read my whole post. Like you did against St K, Adlel and Port. That you played badly even given your injuries . These were not the performances you associate with a top 4 side or potential premier.

You may be ssatisfied that injuries are enough of a reason. I wouldn't be in your position

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Comprehension fail.
It's obvious that he is saying that he was 5/6? the only time Carlton has won a flag in his life (what Wayne said about 1995) and so can't remember any Carlton success.

Seems more than relevant when he was respond to another poster who said collingwood had 29 unsuccessful seasons.

Yeah but he doesn't get to respond to queries about Collingwood's success by pretending that Carlton's didn't happen. If someone wants to play the game, don't pick and choose the rules.

I too agree that you folks needs to move on about your great history.
For most of us, you have been nothing but a laughing stock.

Who is going on and on about history? These things mostly get brought up when others start threads about us to get a free kick, and then squeal like stuck pigs when we have the temerity to hold them to account.

You say 'most of us' as though that holds any weight? What do you contribute to the Carlton Football Club? Right, then why should we care what you think or change anything accordingly. You want to be constructive ... all ears. As it stands, given the manner you express yourself in, you matter nought in the scheme of things.

Carlton must be absolutely delighted with the improvement Hampson has made since the season finished. Must be training the house down, or maybe he is at football university working on that "nous"?

Is that your contribution? How is it relevant? Do you see us going on and on about Hampson during the offseason?

He had a much better start to the season, started to take marks after having eye surgery and we had some hopes he might realise his potential. Unfortunately, like nearly everybody else, he got injured. We will reset and take another look next year.

 

[slashin_velvet]

My basic premise was you played badly that day if you read my whole post. Like you did against St K, Adlel and Port. That you played badly even given your injuries . These were not the performances you associate with a top 4 side or potential premier.

You may be ssatisfied that injuries are enough of a reason. I wouldn't be in your position

IM not satisfied with it in isolation, but can acknowledge it was a contributing factor.

Ive said before that our biggest problem last year was not playing as a team. Too many players looking out for themselves...and not willing to get the smother or make the shepard. Im hoping some continuity in the team, and some harsh words from the coach will help fix this problem.


On the topic of our performance over the last decade...I dont think any supporter would be thrilled with it. That being said, we got smashed by the AFL because we had a board that cheated. They did the wrong thing, and all supporters were whacked with it. What I am happy with is that the team appears to be making inroads to future success. Im putting out past where it belongs, in the past. And im looking forward to a successful carlton for years to come.

 

[JustaBattler]

So stop posting as if there is some swagger or whatever. Welcome to the 21st century bro. Your clubs a joke & no one wants to go there. Your supporters are over the moon about 10th placed finish because you beat us. You guys are stoked to have been 'one kick away from a preliminary final'..

Carlton didn't 'beat' Collingwood in 2012 - Carlton FLOGGED Collingwood - get your facts right

PS if in doubt - watch the replays. Focus on Nuthin Buckley in the Coache's Box whislt watching the replay of your total demolition - he had NO CLUE. That is the future for you Collingwooders...

if YOU wish to dwell on Carlton's past - that is YOUR problem.

 

[filandia2nuts]

Carlton didn't 'beat' Collingwood in 2012 - Carlton FLOGGED Collingwood - get your facts right

PS if in doubt - watch the replays. Focus on Nuthin Buckley in the Coache's Box whislt watching the replay of your total demolition - he had NO CLUE. That is the future for you Collingwooders...

if YOU wish to dwell on Carlton's past - that is YOUR problem.

Thanks for proving our point that u guys aim low.

 

[scomac]

Abusive posts like this achieve nothing. Carlton posters need to stop pulling the troll card every time their confronted with a strong argument. If you can't handle the criticism then I suggest you don't post.

What a pile of steaming dog poop as is this ridiculous thread.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Again, comprehension fail.
He said he hasn't witnessed any Carlton success & explained why. Pretty valid in this instance.

You kidding? He can't not count a successful year and say we have had one successful year in 30, just because he didn't see one of them. Any way you go, it is either pathetic or poor maths. Keep digging.

Other posters always refer to the Carlton hubris & arrogance because of your 'history' & knob face, the 'most of us' I was referring to was bigfooty users.

Knobface? Oh, that's cutting edge right there.

I know who you were referring to and thus my response stands. Why on earth should be care what a bunch of detractors who contribute nothing to our club, think of us? Especially those that post as you do.

Who, at a stab I would say the majority are under 30. WTF are you on about?

Under 30? Now there's a shock.

Therefore, I'm with him when he says that you guys need to earn respect because for most of us, we haven't seen anything but a laughing stock.

Guess what, I'm not my football team and you are not yours. You think I need to earn respect in comparison to yourself? You can not use a club's ladder position or recent history to further your own credibility. That's what we are talking about here isn't it? You guys want to criticise any attempt to add balance to your cheap shots because we are arrogant and need to earn respect? It's just not going to wash.

So stop posting as if there is some swagger or whatever. Welcome to the 21st century bro. Your clubs a joke & no one wants to go there. Your supporters are over the moon about 10th placed finish because you beat us. You guys are stoked to have been 'one kick away from a preliminary final'.

Making things up, the last bastion of the desperate. Where are all the Carlton supporters over the moon about finishing 10th? Nobody was stoked to only make a semi in 2011, they were just glad for the improvement and what it might mean for the future. Any supporters in that position would feel the same, but that does not suit your agenda.

Nobody wants to go to Carlton? How many have we chased? Judd wanted to come, Swann wanted to come, Malthouse wanted to come. You know what's a joke? Your attempt to justify your woeful posting.

Hopefully you can comprehend all this...

Comprehend it? I've seen the same crap over and over for years in the guise of rational discussion. It's almost as though you guys are sharing the same brain.

 

[forwardflanker]

I see Carlton are looking at Reimers as their blockbuster signing for this season.

Discuss

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

I see Carlton are looking at Reimers as their blockbuster signing for this season.

Discuss

If true, the Reimers signing will match the epic Jordan Russell mega trade; landmark moments for both the clubs involved and the game itself.

 

[filandia2nuts]

If true, the Reimers signing will match the epic Jordan Russell mega trade; landmark moments for both the clubs involved and the game itself.

Won't trump brad green. Nothing can top that moment.

 

[Jeremias]

Won't trump brad green. Nothing can top that moment.

Isn't Mitch Hahn on your coaching panel?

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Isn't Mitch Hahn on your coaching panel?

Yes, but he was acquired quietly without making a song and dance about it. We didn't claim it as a coaching coup like the Blues have done with Green.

 

[Jeremias]

Yes, but he was acquired quietly without making a song and dance about it. We didn't claim it as a coaching coup like the Blues have done with Green.

I miss the good old days when trolling was restricted to Bay 13.

There's been no singing, no dancing. There's been no claims of a coaching coup. Carlton released one article announcing Green's appointment, and one interview for the website. That's pretty standard, for most clubs.

In fact, a quick google search reveals that there was far more noise coming out of Collingwood regarding the Hahn appointment, than there has been from Carlton regarding Green.

But hey, I suppose you prefer to ignore the truth when posting, don't you?

Any other ridiculous hyperboles you'd like to fabricate to masquerade your trolling?

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Calm down, the Blues seem pretty happy with his appointment and he was targeted by Mick. He is actually an excellent communicator and will help deliver Mick's message to the players. Personally think its a pretty good appointment despite the questions people have on his playing ability. Lighten up a little.

 

[Jeremias]

Calm down, the Blues seem pretty happy with his appointment and he was targeted by Mick. He is actually an excellent communicator and will help deliver Mick's message to the players. Personally think its a pretty good appointment despite the questions people have on his playing ability. Lighten up a little.

I knew you wouldn't like facts.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

I knew you wouldn't like facts.

The facts are that Hahn was recruited as a playing development coach in our VFL side. During his AFL career Hahn played with passion and was tough (may not have been blessed with great ability). Brad Green was the opposite, a bit soft and a skirt. Most successful coaches are those which demonstrated an agressive hardness about them during their playing days and an uncompromising attitude. Brad Green will prove the exception to the rule though.