Analysis Where to from here?

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Down at K Park said:
Only one i see here posting emotional rants is you. It’s pretty amusing really.

I don’t think i have seen such denial since the iraqi propaganda minister.

Might be best to stay out of this thread if you can’t handle your beloved coach being exposed as a finals failure.
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this entire thread is just an emotional knee jerk meltdown to the loss on Friday night, nothing more.

at least should have taken a week or two until we exit.

a thread about our future direction because we lost a final while still competing in the finals is just an emotional knee jerk sulk to one game.

would have had at least a hint of merit if we were actually eliminated.
 
Seeds said:
There is nothing we can do. We are f***. Exactly what I said would happen is about to happen. All our old players are about to retire and we have no youth coming through And topping up didn’t even net us a flag. It was all for nothing. Our next premiership window isnt until at least the 2030s

scott will want to leave when he figures this out and some other coach will be left to pick up the pieces. Assuming someone is still willing to take him. the Pies have already rejected Scott after Friday’s performance. They were into him big time. Arent waiting now. Will Gold Coast still go for him?
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seeds, after an entire decade of stuffing all predictions up, in 2022 you may finally get it right.

we may very well fall, and it was always inevitable at some point after 15 years of being a top side.
 
Strange Cat said:
You don’t think the club doesn’t has a reputation come finals just like we always have before 07-11?

we are a laughing stock, I think the nickname is really apt as this list isvery very soft and shows no intensity finals after finals and folds like a deck of cards the minute you apply pressure.

like I said the club have reverted back to the soft mediocrity culture that the club tried to eradicate durring the golden years.
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Far from a laughing stock. Oppo fans hate us and footy media is sick of us, so like to rub salt in the wounds. F**k em.

Our era has been going 18 years and has banked 3 flags. They are bloody hard to win. Would you rather have been some of our former rivals? Saints, pies, freo? Hawks have won 0% of there last 4 finals.

I’ll take six more years of trying for one more flag….. Daniel Talia might be a good pickup ;-)
 

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geelong_crazy26 said:
this entire thread is just an emotional knee jerk meltdown to the loss on Friday night, nothing more.

at least should have taken a week or two until we exit.

a thread about our future direction because we lost a final while still competing in the finals is just an emotional knee jerk sulk to one game.

would have had at least a hint of merit if we were actually eliminated.
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And you’ve non stop sulked about it, cause how dare anyone critisize your son mrs scott. Just stay out of the thread.

Footy classified all over scott’s pathetic finals record. Saying he must go. He’ll never win a flag and should quit. Even the media are all over it.
 
Down at K Park said:
And you’ve non stop sulked about it, cause how dare anyone critisize your son mrs scott. Just stay out of the thread.

Footy classified all over scott’s pathetic finals record. Saying he must go. He’ll never win a flag and should quit. Even the media are all over it.
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Probably shouldn't watch Footy classified - that show is such garbage. I did watch on the couch last night and they had a good 5 minute segment into Geelongs finals performance, Nick Riewoldt in particular showed the repeated pattern of how they lose and it's shows the perfect football gameplan that unravels under final pressure, causing turnovers and easy goals. We've all see it - maybe Scott doesn't have the cattle and maybe he never will to pull off this perfect gameplan but it's a pretty ordinary coaching and list management performance over many years that suggest one or two more mercenaries is going to fix it.

Oh and the footage they showed also was a demonstration on who starts the rot when this happens, no surprise that Kolo, Bews, Blicsavs, Hendo and Guthrie were the culprits.

So where to from here? - new gameplan as far as I'm concerned and most of the evidence suggests, one that doesn't rely on perfect defensive kicks across half back from participants with too many limitations. Really that should've been the plan 3 years ago - now we have to factor a rebuild into that as well.
 
Stephen Reynoldson said:
Far from a laughing stock. Oppo fans hate us and footy media is sick of us, so like to rub salt in the wounds. F**k em.

Our era has been going 18 years and has banked 3 flags. They are bloody hard to win. Would you rather have been some of our former rivals? Saints, pies, freo? Hawks have won 0% of there last 4 finals.

I’ll take six more years of trying for one more flag….. Daniel Talia might be a good pickup ;-)
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Can't use them as an example, they come in waves but when they get to the top they win flags, plural. They've won atleast 1 flag in every decade since the 60s.
I HATE the Hawks, genuinely HATE them, but you gotta respect that level of sustainable success.
I'm not sure you can say the are that hard to win IF you are good enough to, 2 teams since our 2011 Flag have won 3 in 4 and both close to 4 in a row. We were right behind them through the years, what was the point of difference?
Teams like the saints, freo, dogs until recently, bombers, blues etc fair enough, they are shit filled dumpster fires and I'm happy we aren't them, I just look at how our club was viewed 07-11 as being part of the big boys club, and the era since has reminded us all that we simply aren't there.
It's a seriously bitter pill to swallow if you remember following the Cats through the handbag years, or the 4 in 7 lost Grand Finals era.
 
Mad_Hatter said:
Can't use them as an example, they come in waves but when they get to the top they win flags, plural. They've won atleast 1 flag in every decade since the 60s.
I HATE the Hawks, genuinely HATE them, but you gotta respect that level of sustainable success.
I'm not sure you can say the are that hard to win IF you are good enough to, 2 teams since our 2011 Flag have won 3 in 4 and both close to 4 in a row. We were right behind them through the years, what was the point of difference?
Teams like the saints, freo, dogs until recently, bombers, blues etc fair enough, they are sh*t filled dumpster fires and I'm happy we aren't them, I just look at how our club was viewed 07-11 as being part of the big boys club, and the era since has reminded us all that we simply aren't there.
It's a seriously bitter pill to swallow if you remember following the Cats through the handbag years, or the 4 in 7 lost Grand Finals era.
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It took us 44 years to create 3 fantastic years. But even they were interrupted by Hawthorn, against every odd.

Now another 10 years have flown by with nothing to show for them.
 
someday-somehow said:
Probably shouldn't watch Footy classified - that show is such garbage. I did watch on the couch last night and they had a good 5 minute segment into Geelongs finals performance, Nick Riewoldt in particular showed the repeated pattern of how they lose and it's shows the perfect football gameplan that unravels under final pressure, causing turnovers and easy goals. We've all see it - maybe Scott doesn't have the cattle and maybe he never will to pull off this perfect gameplan but it's a pretty ordinary coaching and list management performance over many years that suggest one or two more mercenaries is going to fix it.

Oh and the footage they showed also was a demonstration on who starts the rot when this happens, no surprise that Kolo, Bews, Blicsavs, Hendo and Guthrie were the culprits.

So where to from here? - new gameplan as far as I'm concerned and most of the evidence suggests, one that doesn't rely on perfect defensive kicks across half back from participants with too many limitations. Really that should've been the plan 3 years ago - now we have to factor a rebuild into that as well.
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Chris Scott won't want to admit anything he did was a failure. Way too stubborn. You simply can't expect that sort of game plan to work when you have horrible kicking defenders. Why have we never tried to recruit or trade for some better kicking defenders? Bizarre really, considering we have recruited plenty of forwards and mids. Stewart is the only one, and now he's injured.
 
BORIS332 said:
I don't select best players by order of most disposals. I don't think having 13 uncontested marks in the defensive half of the ground is anything to applaud. He only had six contested disposals for the entire game, one tackle and a single one percenter.

He was good, he wasn't great and he certainly wasn't best on ground. Even if he was our best performer, he still wouldn't have been in the top 10 players on the ground. And I made two points, you only cared to address one.
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Because you're first point was completely subjective, and didn't have much to do with the original argument. I acknowledged you could debate whether playing Duncan across half back was the right call for the team. Although I think that had more to do the loss of Stewart, rather than somehow being related to the age of our list, which was your original point.

I have issue with you blatantly lying to try and validate your point.

Even here, you highlight Duncan's 6 contested possessions as being low, when he is averaging 5.5 for the year. So, in actual fact he had more contested possessions on Friday than he normally does, yet you are trying to spin that as a negative. Likewise, Duncan hasn't taken a single contested mark all year. So I don't know why his marks being uncontested are seen as negative in this instance when it's the norm.

I'm absolutely not saying that just because he had 30+ possessions he played amazingly well. I just find it strange to highlight him when we had a lot of passengers on Friday, and he was at least serviceable. And then to double down with dodgy stats to back your point.
 
Some interesting discussions in the football media last night about Geelong's future. If we fail again this year the question was asked would Chris Scott leave or would Geelong move him on. I don't think Geelong would do the pushing myself. However, I can't see Chris Scott putting another five to ten years in to rebuild this club, so that means a new coach at some point in the near future. If there's no flag this year (and all indicators make that seem highly likely so far) then the crossroads will be reached. The list is old and so a rebuild is coming to this club very soon which will probably mean a drop down the ladder for a few years. I don't see Chris Scott in that future.
 

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Getting hot in the kitchen here. Surely its a pretty straight forward matter - the possession game breaks under high pressure, and there is no effective Plan B. Also, the team is never prepared for first final to switch on and play. I say the coaches should leave the players alone this week, pick a side with more run and let them decide to go fast or not, on the ground, at the time. Oh yeah, and play players with any kind of leg injury niggle. Giants with many outs last time simply cranked up the pressure around the ball and our game plan fell apart with no meaningful reaction. Same will happen if we don't change our game plan.
PS - we had 6 more shots than them last time but lost by 19 points - so sick of saying poor kicking costs finals - our forward line demonstrated that last week ! So, we are facing a high risk of bad kicking for goal and game plan breaking - must must must try something else.
 
moond0g said:
Because you're first point was completely subjective, and didn't have much to do with the original argument. I acknowledged you could debate whether playing Duncan across half back was the right call for the team. Although I think that had more to do the loss of Stewart, rather than somehow being related to the age of our list, which was your original point.

I have issue with you blatantly lying to try and validate your point.

Even here, you highlight Duncan's 6 contested possessions as being low, when he is averaging 5.5 for the year. So, in actual fact he had more contested possessions on Friday than he normally does, yet you are trying to spin that as a negative. Likewise, Duncan hasn't taken a single contested mark all year. So I don't know why his marks being uncontested are seen as negative in this instance when it's the norm.

I'm absolutely not saying that just because he had 30+ possessions he played amazingly well. I just find it strange to highlight him when we had a lot of passengers on Friday, and he was at least serviceable. And then to double down with dodgy stats to back your point.
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How are they dodgy stats? They're stats. The kick out one was a guess because I noticed he seemed to be taking all of the kick outs, to suggest I "blatantly lied" is incredibly dramatic and cringe worthy.

My point, which you haven't seemed to be able to grasp, is that he had a lot of uncontested possessions deep in defence - as supported by the heat map, uncontested possessions, uncontested marks, lack of one-on-one contests, lack of tackles and lack of pressure acts, all of which you've called "dodgy stats" because they don't agree with your claim that he was our "best player".

I notice you've now downgraded him from "best player" all the way down to "at least serviceable", so thank you for finally agreeing with me even if you can't bear to do it explicitly.

Back to the original point, since you've dragged it so far off track:

BORIS332 said:
To win a flag you need continuity and stability in your 22.
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BORIS332 said:
How are they dodgy stats? They're stats. The kick out one was a guess because I noticed he seemed to be taking all of the kick outs, to suggest I "blatantly lied" is incredibly dramatic and cringe worthy.

My point, which you haven't seemed to be able to grasp, is that he had a lot of uncontested possessions deep in defence - as supported by the heat map, uncontested possessions, uncontested marks, lack of one-on-one contests, lack of tackles and lack of pressure acts, all of which you've called "dodgy stats" because they don't agree with your claim that he was our "best player".

I notice you've now downgraded him from "best player" all the way down to "at least serviceable", so thank you for finally agreeing with me even if you can't bear to do it explicitly.

Back to the original point, since you've dragged it so far off track:
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lol. Claiming he actually had 19 possessions because he took 14 kick ins is not dodgy? Not a lie?

You also seem be selectively quoting. Just to remind you, this was the sentence directly preceding your argument that we need stability:

BORIS332 said:
but it's plain as day that our list is simply too old
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Down at K Park said:
And you’ve non stop sulked about it, cause how dare anyone critisize your son mrs scott. Just stay out of the thread.

Footy classified all over scott’s pathetic finals record. Saying he must go. He’ll never win a flag and should quit. Even the media are all over it.
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there is nothing new or different about this thread its just an extension of the chris scott thread which i am used to, i think everyone is now. just simply pointing out we don't need a new thread to sulk about scott, you already have one for that to vent yourself in and release your emotions.

you felt the need to create an entire new thread to complain about scott when you already had one running.

would have also been less emotionally reactive to wait until we are out of the finals to actually discuss a future direction since this season is yet to be determined, but that was not the real reason for making the thread.


please post link or details of the footy classified chat, because i know you have a history of lying when it comes to quoting individuals or make up stuff entirely.
 
We know (or believe) the possession game falls apart in finals, partly due to intensity going up and our inability to deal with that pressure and execute, and partly due to playing good teams all playing good football, but I think the reason we play this style is down simply to having a slow and reactive team (probably age being a big reason).
We simply couldn't play a faster style of game (which our forwardline would thrive with) like some other teams do.
Obviously that points to multiple issues as to the reason we can't but we also can't change that in 2 weeks.
 
This thread is for discussing the direction that posters believe the club should be taking in the future

Folks won't always agree on that direction, but stick to talking about the topic at hand rather than taking pot shots & personal attacks on others - the latter won't be tolerated

If you want to whinge about all aspects of the club, then here's the place for it - but keep on topic
 
Someone posted this in the preview thread, it sounds bad when you say it out loud but seeing it in table format just highlights how incredibly consistent we've been. An Isaac Smith miss away from the complete set. :straining:

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Hi Everyone, I'm a long time cats supporter and 1st time poster on here.
Just a thought, if Scotty stays on, surely they need to look at his current assistance coaches.

Matthew Knights (6th Year as Midfield Coach, been at the club since 2012- 2012-2014 VFL Coach), Matthew Scarlett (Defence Coach since 2016), Corey Enright (Forward Coach since- 2017), Nigel Lappin (Ball Movement and Midfield- Since 2015. Assistant Coach/Midfield 2009-2012, 20013/2014 Development. Been at the club since 2009), Shaun Grigg (Development Coach since 2020), Shane O'bree (VFL Coach- 6th Year, 2013-2015 Development Coach).

There seems to be a few of these people that have been there for some time now. I think it's time they looked at bringing in a change. Bring in some fresh faces, new voices, new ideas and people to bring in some accountability to players and other coaches (including Scotty).
 
geelong_crazy26 said:
do people not think there is an element of emotional sulks and dramatic theatre to post a thread titled " where to from here?" when we are still contending in the finals?

i get that its just an emotional sewerage about chris scott, but even then its quite off the mark
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A lot of it IS venting, for sure. I was disappointed after our loss against the Dees (coughing up a 40+ point lead) and then frustrated by us not showing up at all vs Port and I've made a few bitter posts. Covid. Lockdowns. The footy might just be a bright spot to tide some of us over and if that goes pear-shaped, and I know it's not the most adult way to cope, cracking the sads can become a coping mechansim.
 
Another Prelim clearly.

Good or bad... we shall see but you gotta be in it to win it.

And we are right now.

GO Catters
 
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