Which is the best team of the 21st century?

[Meteoric Rise]

Does not matter how many premierships Nankervis was involved in, he was still a below average tap ruckman.

Vlastuin, well I can't even recall him in most Richmond games, he certainly isn't someone people talk about as an elite player.

Prestia, again, his premiership totals do not matter, the fact remains he plays in the easiest position in the league to get in the AA team and he hasn't even done it once.

Rioli, well Gold Coast massively overpaid for him, and again, has never gotten an AA.



Smith is likely one of the best small defenders of the 21st century, Roberts-Thomson was critical for both our 2005 and 2012 premierships, was one of the best players on the field for both games and we likely would not have won without him. Kennelly and Malceski provided a huge amount of drive out of defence for the Swans, and were both excellent with their disposal. Ball, well he is just objectively a much better ruckman than Nankervis, Jack was very accurate by foot and very hard at it and Rampe, well I don't even need to describe how important he has been, him able in his prime to take on both tall and small forwards and usually beating them too, then providing a tonne of rebound as well.

Jesus take the blinkers off Run my man.

Anyone could equally just go through all the less obvious guys in their own team and list what they are good at or "how important" they were.

But if you can't recall Vlastuin in most Richmond games, you are not watching too carefully. He is only the team's key interceptor, strong, courageous and a terrific kick.

2024 AFL #3 for intercepts
2023 #7
2022 #5
2021 #17
2020 #5
2019 #9
2018 #7

I think we get it Run, you haven't been watching and are not in any position to comment.

What a waste of a potentially good thread.

 

[RUNVS]

Jesus take the blinkers off Run my man.

Anyone could equally just go through all the less obvious guys in their own team and list what they are good at or "how important" they were.

But if you can't recall Vlastuin in most Richmond games, you are not watching too carefully. He is only the team's key interceptor, strong, courageous and a terrific kick.

2024 AFL #3 for intercepts
2023 #7
2022 #5
2021 #17
2020 #5
2019 #9
2018 #7

I think we get it Run, you haven't been watching and are not in any position to comment.

What a waste of a potentially good thread.

Just noticed you have taken a comment I made completely out of context on your signature. Feels typical of you.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Just noticed you have taken a comment I made completely out of context on your signature. Feels typical of you.

How can that statement possibly be taken out of context?

That is precisely what you said, without qualification. It was a rather astonishing thing to say - which feels typical of you.

 

[RUNVS]

How can that statement possibly be taken out of context?

That is precisely what you said, without qualification. It was a rather astonishing thing to say - which feels typical of you.

and what was I responding to? You did not mention that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

and what was I responding to? You did not mention that.

I've forgotten. But you said it, so own it.

 

[RUNVS]

I've forgotten. But you said it, so own it.

Context matters. Only people who are being deliberately misleading do not provide it.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Context matters. Only people who are being deliberately misleading do not provide it.

If context matters so much, then here it is below in full in the first quote.

You are basically saying Dustin Martin's finals performances don't matter because some players don't get to play finals sometimes.

You are also saying Matthew Richardson is a great player is this post below, and guess what you said in post #188 of this thread(the second post below)......"good but not great."

You are good at digging holes Run my man.

Richmond's defence is very good, I will give you that but I think your forward line is filled with (at least in the context of all these best 22's), good forwards who are not necessarily great.

Richardson, very talented, also erratic, Lynch, a top 5 key forward of his day but in the context of 21st century no where near it, and Riewoldt was probably the 3rd or 4th best key forward of his day, but not particularly damaging in a 21st century context.

 

[Pistol Night]

Tassie. Undefeated

 

[RUNVS]

If context matters so much, then here it is below in full in the first quote.

You are basically saying Dustin Martin's finals performances don't matter because some players don't get to play finals sometimes.

You are also saying Matthew Richardson is a great player is this post below, and guess what you said in post #188 of this thread(the second post below)......"good but not great."

You are good at digging holes Run my man.



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So you admit you even cut off what I was saying.

I was saying that considering most players don't get to play in that many finals you need to take that into account, which is a fairly fair thing to say. Not fair to say player X did not have a good finals record if player X was in a team that never made finals.

 

[RUNVS]

Anyway, back on topic

Port Adelaide
B: Aliir Aliir, Darryl Wakelin, Stuart Dew
HB: Gavin Wanganeen, Chad Cornes, Peter Burgoyne
C: Shaun Burgoyne, Zak Butters, Kane Cornes
HF: Connor Rozee, Warren Tredrea, Byron Pickett
F: Robbie Gray, Brendon Lade, Chad Wingard
Foll: Matthew Primus, Travis Boak, Ollie Wines
I/C: Roger James, Justin Westhoff, Jason Horne-Francis, Dean Brogan
Sub: Domenic Cassisi

Richmond
B: David Astbury, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, Joel Bowden, Nick Vlastuin
C: Chris Newman, Wayne Campbell, Brett Deledio
HF: Kane Lambert, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards
F: Shai Bolton, Matthew Richardson, Tom Lynch
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Kane Johnson, Dion Prestia, Darren Gaspar, Brad Ottens
Sub: Daniel Rioli

St Kilda
B: Jason Blake, Callum Wilkie, Steven Baker
HB: Leigh Montagna, Max Hudghton, Sam Fisher
C: Austinn Jones, Nick Dal Santo, Nathan Burke
HF: Stewart Loewe , Nick Riewoldt, Justin Koschitzke
F: Adam Schneider, Fraser Gehrig, Stephen Milne
Foll: Michael Gardiner, Lenny Hayes, Robert Harvey
I/C: Jack Steven, Jack Steele, Jack Sinclair, Brendon Goddard
Sub: Luke Ball

Sydney
B: Nick Smith, Craig Bolton, Leo Barry
HB: Tadhg Kennelly, Heath Grundy, Dane Rampe
C: Jarrad McVeigh, Josh Kennedy, Dan Hannebery
HF: Isaac Heeney, Lance Franklin, Ryan O'Keefe
F: Michael O'Loughlin, Barry Hall, Tom Papley
Foll: Jason Ball, Adam Goodes, Kieren Jack
I/C: Jude Bolton, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Jared Crouch, Nick Malceski
Sub: Luke Parker

West Coast
B: David Wirrpanda, Darren Glass, Brad Sheppard
HB: Shannon Hurn, Jeremy McGovern, Elliot Yeo
C: Andrew Gaff, Daniel Kerr, Luke Shuey
HF: Andrew Embley, Jack Darling, Jamie Cripps
F: Phil Matera, Josh Kennedy, Mark Le Cras
Foll: Dean Cox, Ben Cousins, Chris Judd
I/C: Nic Naitanui, Matt Priddis, Beau Waters, Adam Hunter
Sub: Michael Braun

Western Bulldogs
B: Easton Wood, Brian Lake, Lindsay Gilbee
HB: Bob Murphy, Dale Morris, Rohan Smith
C: Jack Macrae, Scott West, Ryan Griffen
HF: Daniel Giansiracusa, Chris Grant, Adam Cooney
F: Jake Stringer, Brad Johnson, Nathan Brown
Foll: Luke Darcy, Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore
I/C: Ryan Hargrave, Daniel Cross, Caleb Daniel, Tim English
Sub: Liam Picken

Best of the best: Your club's team of the century (so far), Part III

Some players are automatic selections. For others, it's a line-ball call. AFL.com.au's reporters make the call on your club's best side since the turn of the century

www.afl.com.au

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So you admit you even cut off what I was saying.

I was saying that considering most players don't get to play in that many finals you need to take that into account, which is a fairly fair thing to say. Not fair to say player X did not have a good finals record if player X was in a team that never made finals.

Lol, that's pretty much how quotable quotes work Run my man.

The real context is you were trying desperately to locate a way to diminish the fact Dusty finished basically every season 2015-2020(6 seasons) as the form player of the competition. And what you amazingly came up with was a very quotable quote:

"Finals performance needs to be taken with a grain of salt."

Congratulations, I am going to make you famous for saying that.

 

[RUNVS]

Sydney
B: Nick Smith, Craig Bolton, Leo Barry
HB: Tadhg Kennelly, Heath Grundy, Dane Rampe
C: Jarrad McVeigh, Josh Kennedy, Dan Hannebery
HF: Isaac Heeney, Lance Franklin, Ryan O'Keefe
F: Michael O'Loughlin, Barry Hall, Tom Papley
Foll: Jason Ball, Adam Goodes, Kieren Jack
I/C: Jude Bolton, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Jared Crouch, Nick Malceski
Sub: Luke Parker

Also the criteria for the Swans team seems a bit odd as the author said in her selection that Gulden and Warner were not included as it was too soon, but Nick Daicos is in the Collingwood team and Gulden has achieved just as much as he has.