Who Should Be In The Hall Of Fame, and Who Should Be A Legend?

[Hank Scorpion]

There are too many HoF inductees as it is.

e.g. O'Loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Lloyd, Hall and Richo are all in it. All great players, but 6 key forwards from the same era is too many if the HoF is to attract the prestige it should.


Judd and Goodes are two that definitely have to come in over the next couple of years. Probably another one or two from Geelong's dynasty - Ablett once he retires, Enright maybe?

 

[screech]

Couldn't agree more with most of those suggestions. As a Norwood supporter have to emphasize that Garry McIntosh MUST be inducted in to the Hall of Fame. Would say the same for Michael Aish, Michael Taylor and Keith Thomas(despite moving to the dark side). Also think that Brian Cunnigham needs to be on that list as well. Also, as you are a Sturt supporter, Michael Graham should be in there as well. Plenty of others can be added to that list.

That list was just some I thought of, there are many more as you mentioned

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[PhatBoy]

There are too many HoF inductees as it is.

e.g. O'Loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Lloyd, Hall and Richo are all in it. All great players, but 6 key forwards from the same era is too many to if the HoF is to attract the prestige it should.


Judd and Goodes are two that definitely have to come in over the next couple of years. Probably another one or two from Geelong's dynasty - Ablett once he retires, Enright maybe?

Is Scarlett in? He should be

 

[Brutalitops]

Neil Balme for mine was a decent player for Richmond and coach for Norwood and is widely regarded as one of the best football managers in the comp

Piss off

 

[Topkent]

There are too many HoF inductees as it is.

e.g. O'Loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Lloyd, Hall and Richo are all in it. All great players, but 6 key forwards from the same era is too many to if the HoF is to attract the prestige it should.


Judd and Goodes are two that definitely have to come in over the next couple of years. Probably another one or two from Geelong's dynasty - Ablett once he retires, Enright maybe?

Guess it gets kinds murky in that all have individual records and prestige.

O'Loughlin was the indigenous games holder, Tredrea Ports first ever AFL premiership captain. Neita the dees games record holder, games record holder as captain and first to 300. Lloyd deserves to be in there anyway but a century goalkicker and most at Essendon, Hall first ever Sydney premiership captain and Richo the greatest goal kicker ever at the G.

If you wanted to be super exclusive then Lloyd probably the one with the greatest case to stay in.

 

[masai]

There are too many HoF inductees as it is.

e.g. O'Loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Lloyd, Hall and Richo are all in it. All great players, but 6 key forwards from the same era is too many to if the HoF is to attract the prestige it should.


Judd and Goodes are two that definitely have to come in over the next couple of years. Probably another one or two from Geelong's dynasty - Ablett once he retires, Enright maybe?

All these players are better than the “elephant in the room”, ......... Mark Bickley.

Why the heck were they in such a hurry to elevate him ?.

McIntosh >>>>>>> Bickley.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Piss off

Belted a few Carlton blokes, easily should be in the HoF

 

[Muddiemoose]

Piss off

Nice melt,
Can you share why he doesn’t deserve hall of fame status

2 flags as a player
2 flags as a coach (along with never missing finals) at Norwood

Helped turn Collingwood around in the early 2000’s assisting Malthouse making the finals twice

and hugely influential in both Geelong and now Richmond’s turn around into successful clubs

 

[PhatBoy]

Nice melt,
Can you share why he doesn’t deserve hall of fame status

2 flags as a player
2 flags as a coach (along with never missing finals) at Norwood

Helped turn Collingwood around in the early 2000’s assisting Malthouse making the finals twice

and hugely influential in both Geelong and now Richmond’s turn around into successful clubs

I never watched him play so I don’t know if he was that good but if any of the recent 2 flag players from Hawthorn and Geelong and Richmond went on to coach a couple of state league flags and be good administrators, and have a largely unsuccessful run as an AFL coach there’d need to be a bit more to their career than just those facts and figures

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Is there a min of six per year? Since they cleared a bit of a backlog it feels like they’ve been overreaching with some of the inductions. Feels like you just have to have a “very good” career (couple of club B&Fs etc) and you’re in.

There might be more deserving blokes from back on the day when the WAFL, SANFL and VFA were of a high standard... I don’t really know. That might be somewhere they should look.

I don’t know on what basis Tuck could possibly be a Legend. If it’s longevity then Fletcher and Boomer are legends. If it’s flags then plenty of Melbourne (50s) and Hawthorn (80s) players should be.

He just doesn’t have the individual record to warrant it. Like it or not, it’s an individual award.

 

[BarbieITFC]

Since 2000, the following players were inducted four years after retiring:

- T Lockett
- W Tredrea
- A McLeod
- M Lloyd
- D Brereton
- B Johnson
- N Buckley
- S Crawford
- M Riccuito
- J Hird
- G Jakovich
- G Wanganeen
- P Matera
- R Harvey
- C Bradley
- S Silvagni
- J Dunstall

Plus Akermanis, Richo, West, Archer, Grant, Voss, (P) Kelly five years after retiring.

On that basis you would have to think Pav (who retired in 2016) will be in their thoughts. I know it's only little old Freo but no player comes close to having had the level of influence on our club that Pav has had - never mind the 6xAA jerseys across three different positions. He certainly wouldn't look out of place in the company of those listed above. I would never argue he deserves legend status (we can debate that about Fyfe in 15 years time once he has a couple of other Brownlows under the belt...)

Also means he can be inducted before Riewoldt comes up to four years retired in 2021 and we can avoid another Freo/Saints shit show on here about who was the better player.

 

[PhatBoy]

Is there a min of six per year? Since they cleared a bit of a backlog it feels like they’ve been overreaching with some of the inductions. Feels like you just have to have a “very good” career (couple of club B&Fs etc) and you’re in.

There might be more deserving blokes from back on the day when the WAFL, SANFL and VFA were of a high standard... I don’t really know. That might be somewhere they should look.

I don’t know on what basis Tuck could possibly be a Legend. If it’s longevity then Fletcher and Boomer are legends. If it’s flags then plenty of Melbourne (50s) and Hawthorn (80s) players should be.

He just doesn’t have the individual record to warrant it. Like it or not, it’s an individual award.

Two time all australian as well.

He’s close to it.

 

[BronCrow]

Nice melt,
Can you share why he doesn’t deserve hall of fame status

2 flags as a player
2 flags as a coach (along with never missing finals) at Norwood

Helped turn Collingwood around in the early 2000’s assisting Malthouse making the finals twice

and hugely influential in both Geelong and now Richmond’s turn around into successful clubs

I think you have proved the point. Has made a big impression on the game over many years, in many different roles, in 2 different states. Was also an underrated coach at Melbourne, getting them to a prelim in 1994, at a club that were going through a lot of hard times off the field. Has to be in.

 

[Brutalitops]

Nice melt,

The "piss off" is meant in a "you cant be ****ing serious" sense. If thats a "melt" in your opinion, then you have much to learn

 

[Walshawk]

Neil Balme - hehe. Not even close.
Gary Buckenara should be next in.

 

[marcus1232]

On that basis you would have to think Pav (who retired in 2016) will be in their thoughts. I know it's only little old Freo but no player comes close to having had the level of influence on our club that Pav has had - never mind the 6xAA jerseys across three different positions. He certainly wouldn't look out of place in the company of those listed above. I would never argue he deserves legend status (we can debate that about Fyfe in 15 years time once he has a couple of other Brownlows under the belt...)

Also means he can be inducted before Riewoldt comes up to four years retired in 2021 and we can avoid another Freo/Saints shit show on here about who was the better player.

I don’t even think it’s a question that those two will be first year of eligibility hall of farmers.

I have no problem with a lot of people in the hall of fame or the legend count.

Looking through the names is just a reminder too me of why I love this sport.

 

[BronCrow]

Neil Balme - hehe. Not even close.
Gary Buckenara should be next in.

As pointed out before, Balme should be in for his overall contribution to the game. Buckenara is possibly a better player, though I didn't see him play so am happy to take your word for it. Balme has certainly done more for the game overall. Ask Richmond, Collingwood and Geelong supporters if they think he should be there, as well as Norwood supporters in the SANFL ie me.

 

[KissKiss]

On that basis you would have to think Pav (who retired in 2016) will be in their thoughts. I know it's only little old Freo but no player comes close to having had the level of influence on our club that Pav has had - never mind the 6xAA jerseys across three different positions. He certainly wouldn't look out of place in the company of those listed above. I would never argue he deserves legend status (we can debate that about Fyfe in 15 years time once he has a couple of other Brownlows under the belt...)

Also means he can be inducted before Riewoldt comes up to four years retired in 2021 and we can avoid another Freo/Saints shit show on here about who was the better player.

I think Black is going in this year. I think he was meant to be inducted last year but was away filming Survivor.

 

[CURVE]

I think John Longmire should be in the HOF. 200 games, 1 Premiership, 1 Coleman Medal and over 500 goals. I think he is the only player (who currently qualifies) with over 500 goals not to be in the HOF.

 

[BronCrow]

I think John Longmire should be in the HOF. 200 games, 1 Premiership, 1 Coleman Medal and over 500 goals. I think he is the only player (who currently qualifies) with over 500 goals not to be in the HOF.

Yes couldn't agree with you more, great nomination. Is both a premiership player and coach. Didn't he play in 2 flags though?

Continuing on the North Melbourne theme, surely Adam Simpson would be worthy as well then?

 

[CURVE]

Yes couldn't agree with you more, great nomination. Is both a premiership player and coach. Didn't he play in 2 flags though?

Continuing on the North Melbourne theme, surely Adam Simpson would be worthy as well then?

Longmire missed the entire 1996 season through injury.

 

[BronCrow]

Longmire missed the entire 1996 season through injury.

Fair enough, that makes sense.

Would you agree on the point about Simpson?

 

[Belnakor]

In regards to the Legends category, based on the existing members - the following should be walk up starts...

Ken Farmer - the greatest full forward the game has seen. 11 consecutive centuries and 81 goals from 17 state games. His record eclipses the other forwards Coleman, Coventry, Lockett, Pratt
Russell Ebert & Bill Walker - four time medallists
Jack Oatey & Fos Williams - once Jock McHale and Kevin Sheedy were elevated, these two have to be. Particularly Oatey who is credited with transforming the game through the use of handball. 10 and 9 coached premierships respectively and significant playing careers in their own right with multiple best and fairests and state reps each
Neil Kerley - Mr Football, massive influence in SA at 5 different clubs. Had an equivalent influence on the game in SA as Ted Whitten did in Vic.
Craig Bradley - Record holder for league games played

Wouldn't have half of those guys as Legends. Particularly the last two.

 

[Belnakor]

There are too many HoF inductees as it is.

e.g. O'Loughlin, Tredrea, Neitz, Lloyd, Hall and Richo are all in it. All great players, but 6 key forwards from the same era is too many to if the HoF is to attract the prestige it should.

the guys doing the elections have been obsessed with the "golden era" of footy from 70s-80s-90s.

I mean Royce Hart is a legend? lol really?

 

[BronCrow]

Wouldn't have half of those guys as Legends. Particularly the last two.

Agree with you about Bradley, though still a great player. Including his games played at Port before going to Carlton he played over 400 games. Don't know enough about Bill Walker, but looking at his record hard to argue against. As for the others, especially Farmer, you could not be further off the mark. Farmer is statistically the greatest full forward of all time, go and look it up. If you think George Doig should be a legend, then absolutely so should Farmer, who should get in ahead of him.

There can also be no sensible argument against the others. 2 of the greatest coaches of all time in Oatey and Williams, a four time Magarey Medalist, 6 time best and fairest and 3 time premiership player plus numerous other in Ebert, and Kerley, who has been compared to the South Australian version of Ted Whitten. Can you please tell me how any of them are not worthy of legend status.

As for Royce Hart, am happy to accept that people who did see him consider him a legend. Have heard many say the he was the second best CHF of all time after Carey. Didn't see enough of him myself to make comment, as I suspect neither have you.