Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

47

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

38

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

45

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

42

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

47

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[Lore]

Can't wait for another month of speculation with "zomg, if ________ gets the job I'm ackchyually done with footy" quips littered ad nauseam.

The good news is, if you put the OP (crackers65) on ignore this entire thread will be invisible to you. Then they can repeat it all they like and you’ll never feel nauseated

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Yze (1) now favourite at $2.75, Scott (2) has come in from $9 to $4.50. Hird (3) out to $5.

Kevin Sheedy unchanged at $41

 

[citizen-erased]

Yze (1) now favourite at $2.75, Scott (2) has come in from $9 to $4.50. Hird (3) out to $5.

Kevin Sheedy unchanged at $41

I wonder if Scott would consider being a mentor assistant to Yze if it fell that way.
Gets him back into coaching and ready for the next opening (Port gotta be close, Ratten would be on thin ice if they have another Jekyll and Hyde year)

 

[CBombers17]

If the new coach needs a mentor it's another fail IMO. We need a coach that can coach. Not a healer or ambassador or one on training wheels. One that comes in from day one and says this is how it's going to be because this works. Learn to love it or **** off - and with enough gravitas and respect in the industry to pull it off.

 

[citizen-erased]

If the new coach needs a mentor it's another fail IMO. We need a coach that can coach. Not a healer or ambassador or one on training wheels. One that comes in from day one and says this is how it's going to be because this works. Learn to love it or * off - and with enough gravitas and respect in the industry to pull it off.

fair point.
And Yze seems to be in the right pocket to stand on his own two feet.
Maybe more a role to mentor our club then. Shield Yze from us

 

[dank420_]

If the new coach needs a mentor it's another fail IMO. We need a coach that can coach. Not a healer or ambassador or one on training wheels. One that comes in from day one and says this is how it's going to be because this works. Learn to love it or * off - and with enough gravitas and respect in the industry to pull it off.

My only issue is that BIG OLD ESSENDON gets in the way. A mentor would be someone who can teach them how to fight that noise. Not necessarily someone who still needs to help the new coach with a gameplan or whatever.

 

[BrunoV]

If the new coach needs a mentor it's another fail IMO. We need a coach that can coach. Not a healer or ambassador or one on training wheels. One that comes in from day one and says this is how it's going to be because this works. Learn to love it or * off - and with enough gravitas and respect in the industry to pull it off.

Agree with this.

I can understand a coach having a mentor, as in someone he confides in and seeks advice from privately. All probably do no matter how experienced.

But being satisfied that we have our guy, after an extensive search, but that he just needs someone to mentor him on the job. What is that about?

Mentors have been appointed at clubs and that has coincided with success. I do not know what that says about senior coaching generally. It is far from clear to me that the industry as a whole has a clear understanding of what a senior coach is doing.

 

[Milanista28]

Outside of Kingsley, Spike and Yze, Do we know who else applied for the GWS job?

 

[MiguelM]

Not sure how Yze is any different to Rutten in terms of experience?

I suppose the process will determine if the fit is good.

 

[faible]

If the new coach needs a mentor it's another fail IMO. We need a coach that can coach. Not a healer or ambassador or one on training wheels. One that comes in from day one and says this is how it's going to be because this works. Learn to love it or * off - and with enough gravitas and respect in the industry to pull it off.

Disagree, unless the organisation somehow simultaneously sorts itself out - we'll see who the new CEO is - an experienced senior mentor / director of coaching e.g. Mark Williams could deal with all the club executive and coterie BS and give a guy like Yze clear air to just, coach.

My personal favourite scenario is what Robert Shaw suggested - Mark Williams + Adem Yze as a Director of Coaching + Head Coach combo, Williams has the experience and clout to deal with the club hierarchy and a good record of getting players on-board, whilst Yze has experience with multiple Premiership winning sides and time spent under Clarkson which we've not previously had.

With Melbourne being bundled out of finals pretty unceremoniously, it's likely as good a chance as we'll get to prise Williams out of there and apologise for ****ing him around.

 

[faible]

Not sure how Yze is any different to Rutten in terms of experience?

I suppose the process will determine if the fit is good.

He's not, Rutten would be similarly qualified. But perhaps Yze can sell the message where Rutten couldn't.

 

[citizen-erased]

Not sure how Yze is any different to Rutten in terms of experience?

I suppose the process will determine if the fit is good.

as above

similar approach, cleaner appointment and ideally a better suited candidate for the role.
For how poorly it was handled, there were too many question marks on Rutten. Leaky defence structures, game plan, skills. Simply put, he may have either not been ready or not up to it. either way, didn't appear to be the right fit that Yze might be.

Disagree, unless the organisation somehow simultaneously sorts itself out - we'll see who the new CEO is - an experienced senior mentor / director of coaching e.g. Mark Williams could deal with all the club executive and coterie BS and give a guy like Yze clear air to just, coach.

My personal favourite scenario is what Robert Shaw suggested - Mark Williams + Adem Yze as a Director of Coach + Head Coach combo, Williams has the experience and clout to deal with the club hierarchy and a good record of getting players on-board, whilst Yze has experience with multiple Premiership winning sides and time spent under Clarkson which we've not previously had.

With Melbourne being bundled out of finals pretty unceremoniously, it's likely as good a chance as we'll get to prise Williams out of there and apologise for ******* him around.

This scenario could work.
And has the added benefit of having 3 key figures cut from a recent successful cloth of the Dees (Yze and Choco also have Hawthorn, Richmond and Bulldogs pedigree)

 

[jmoo wan]

if Worsfold couldn’t deal with the coteries and Essendon Mafia, what makes another mentor figure more likely to?

 

[faible]

if Worsfold couldn’t deal with the coteries and Essendon Mafia, what makes another mentor figure more likely to?

Worsfold wasn't enough of a prick, he spent his time trying to reunite a fractured playing group early on and get them to like football again, then couldn't make them accountable after a couple of seasons of football being 'fun'.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Worsfold wasn't enough of a prick, he spent his time trying to reunite a fractured playing group early on and get them to like football again, then couldn't make them accountable after a couple of seasons of football being 'fun'.

that was his job to be fair.

We should not have extended him beyond that, or at least told him he needed to change his approach one we extended his original contract.

 

[dank420_]

if Worsfold couldn’t deal with the coteries and Essendon Mafia, what makes another mentor figure more likely to?

Two is better than one imo

 

[jmoo wan]

Two is better than one imo

mentors or coaches?

 

[CBombers17]

Disagree, unless the organisation somehow simultaneously sorts itself out - we'll see who the new CEO is - an experienced senior mentor / director of coaching e.g. Mark Williams could deal with all the club executive and coterie BS and give a guy like Yze clear air to just, coach.

My personal favourite scenario is what Robert Shaw suggested - Mark Williams + Adem Yze as a Director of Coaching + Head Coach combo, Williams has the experience and clout to deal with the club hierarchy and a good record of getting players on-board, whilst Yze has experience with multiple Premiership winning sides and time spent under Clarkson which we've not previously had.

With Melbourne being bundled out of finals pretty unceremoniously, it's likely as good a chance as we'll get to prise Williams out of there and apologise for ******* him around.

Im not surprised you disagree. You also argued hard that Ruttens handover year was an amazing idea - something i totally disagreed on here with from day 1. .

 

[windyhill]

Outside of Kingsley, Spike and Yze, Do we know who else applied for the GWS job?

sheedy probably, the self confidence of this bloke knows no bounds. I did this without swearing !!

 

[dank420_]

mentors or coaches?

Two people who have each others back within a workforce.

Woosh by himself, Rutten by himself, no good.

And I doubt Woosh put that much effort in to mentoring Truck seeing as it was just a firing covered up.

You know, if we end up with Yze I reckon he would love an older head to just bounce off etc.

 

[The Dustbin]

Two people who have each others back within a workforce.

Woosh by himself, Rutten by himself, no good.

And I doubt Woosh put that much effort in to mentoring Truck seeing as it was just a firing covered up.

You know, if we end up with Yze I reckon he would love an older head to just bounce off etc.

Woosha spent more time in Perth than he did with Rutten.

 

[citizen-erased]

Two people who have each others back within a workforce.

Woosh by himself, Rutten by himself, no good.

And I doubt Woosh put that much effort in to mentoring Truck seeing as it was just a firing covered up.

You know, if we end up with Yze I reckon he would love an older head to just bounce off etc.

also someone who can develop players (i.e. Choco, B.McCartney) cos we haven't been great at it.

 

[Zach Package]

if Worsfold couldn’t deal with the coteries and Essendon Mafia, what makes another mentor figure more likely to?

‘And if you’ll all turn to page 3, I think you’ll all find this graphic interesting and informative’

 

[faible]

Im not surprised you disagree. You also argued hard that Ruttens handover year was an amazing idea - something i totally disagreed on here with from day 1. .

Still think it was the right idea. Poor execution.

Roos -> Longmire
Roos -> Goodwin

When the outgoing Senior Coach buys in, it can work well.

Something something broken clock

 

[faible]

that was his job to be fair.

We should not have extended him beyond that, or at least told him he needed to change his approach one we extended his original contract.

Agree, he did a great job treating the playing group softly, softly and getting through that short-term post suspension period. He managed to stop the club from completely fracturing and got most of the players back on-field for the club. The renewal shouldn't have happened though.