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Are posters serious there are Coaches who are still coaching who have won a flag
Longmire
McRae
Simpson
Goodwin
Clarkson
Beveridge
Scott
Hardwick
Put them in order of wish list most want come to the afc in a fit
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Longmire
McRae
Simpson
Goodwin
Clarkson
Beveridge
Scott
Hardwick
Put them in order of wish list most want come to the afc in a fit
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Longmire would be the dream. I rate Scott too.
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There have certainly been some great first time coaches - but plenty of duds as well. It’s an interesting conundrum. All premiership coaches have excellent lists brimming with talent. How many good cos CJ Ed have looked terrible when the talent on the list is down - see Simpson, Clarkson recently as examples
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Current Coach Tier List
Top liners: McRae, C Scott, Longmire
Quality: Hardwick, Kingsley, Voss, Mitchell
Decent: B Scott, Simpson, Beveridge
Questionable: Fagan, Lyon, Longmuir
Daddy doughnuts: Hinkley
Awful in multiple ways: Goodwin, Nicks
Unranked: Yze
???: Clarkson
I'm pretty unsure on the trio I put in decent. Lyon may be past his best, but he's also trying to compete with a pretty sub-par list in my view. Clarkson is hard to judge right now given the list he has, especially the massive shortages of key position players. Yze is impossible to judge for obvious reasons. I might be being harsh on Goodwin.
Top liners: McRae, C Scott, Longmire
Quality: Hardwick, Kingsley, Voss, Mitchell
Decent: B Scott, Simpson, Beveridge
Questionable: Fagan, Lyon, Longmuir
Daddy doughnuts: Hinkley
Awful in multiple ways: Goodwin, Nicks
Unranked: Yze
???: Clarkson
I'm pretty unsure on the trio I put in decent. Lyon may be past his best, but he's also trying to compete with a pretty sub-par list in my view. Clarkson is hard to judge right now given the list he has, especially the massive shortages of key position players. Yze is impossible to judge for obvious reasons. I might be being harsh on Goodwin.
Hardwick's 3 flags on the 2nd line...the top tier line has 4 between them over more than twice as many seasons.
None of those top 2 lines will be looking for a job in our time frame. Maaayyybbeee Beveridge, Simpson or Goodwin but also very unlikely.
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My ranking on Hardwick might be harsh. If he gets Gold Coast into the finals this year, I'd probably bump him up.
Realistically, I don't think any are attainable for us. I think our next coach will be a first timer again.
Richmond were a pile of hot garbage when Hardwick took over, hadn't made finals in almost a decade, mostly finishing bottom 4 in that time.
Brad Scott may be the most underrated of all of those, what he did with a very average Kangas list, keeping them in and around the 8 and making 2 prelims during his stint. Now working wonders with an Essendon list that is also doing much better than it should be.
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The obvious candidates have been mentioned and unfortunately I dont see much changing with some of the choices
As much as Caracella , Hansen and Cox et al appeal I'm not sure we want to hand the reins over to someone who will rely on the same club faces to help them - unless we truly bolster them with a senior mentor
Just on a mentor why cant we have one remotely? I think most people want the RAA driver when your kids start learning to drive. We dont want them every other day of the week while the kid is running up and down the driveway
If you find someone who matches the ideals of your senior coach and is switched on enough to make a random comment every now and sits there on game day behind the coach then all the better. I dont know just a thought
So learner coach? I'm not sure we are the club to be able to do that without interfering
As much as Caracella , Hansen and Cox et al appeal I'm not sure we want to hand the reins over to someone who will rely on the same club faces to help them - unless we truly bolster them with a senior mentor
Just on a mentor why cant we have one remotely? I think most people want the RAA driver when your kids start learning to drive. We dont want them every other day of the week while the kid is running up and down the driveway
If you find someone who matches the ideals of your senior coach and is switched on enough to make a random comment every now and sits there on game day behind the coach then all the better. I dont know just a thought
So learner coach? I'm not sure we are the club to be able to do that without interfering
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That leaves a current or recently sacked oops retired coach
Buckley is the only one who can walk in immediately . I note the above commentary about Buckley and Eddie and how divisive it was and how Buckley tread water with the list - but he was 5 points and one kick from being a Premiership coach - long after he took the reins
The other major candidate seems to be Simon Goodwin who has long been touted to return to the AFC
His football resume is solid without being spectacular - I personally think he has under achieved so far but he has the runs on the board
But there are whispers around some issues which could derail a weak club who doesnt manage any blowback
Boys Club gets used with Goodwin and yes he is mates with Roo and yes even before winning a flag he was always tipped to come here
But if you thought Nicks has held on to his position too long just imagine a Roo backed Goodwin - '' yeah carn guys Goodys good to go again yeah sure we struggled but carn ''
We dont seem to be ( anymore ) a club who can make hard decisions when the time is right
The only saving grace is Roos term limit at the club - but he does have plenty of sway and I'm not sure he disappears completely
They are the 2 major candidates who have coached
Buckley is the only one who can walk in immediately . I note the above commentary about Buckley and Eddie and how divisive it was and how Buckley tread water with the list - but he was 5 points and one kick from being a Premiership coach - long after he took the reins
The other major candidate seems to be Simon Goodwin who has long been touted to return to the AFC
His football resume is solid without being spectacular - I personally think he has under achieved so far but he has the runs on the board
But there are whispers around some issues which could derail a weak club who doesnt manage any blowback
Boys Club gets used with Goodwin and yes he is mates with Roo and yes even before winning a flag he was always tipped to come here
But if you thought Nicks has held on to his position too long just imagine a Roo backed Goodwin - '' yeah carn guys Goodys good to go again yeah sure we struggled but carn ''
We dont seem to be ( anymore ) a club who can make hard decisions when the time is right
The only saving grace is Roos term limit at the club - but he does have plenty of sway and I'm not sure he disappears completely
They are the 2 major candidates who have coached
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Lets look at some other names
Rutten - has coached on his own terms and has been part of successful sides but he seemed to struggle - maybe the list wasnt ready as we see Scott maximising the list currently
I dont see Ben as part of a Boys Club but I can understand those who say so
Just not sure he is good enough and can we afford 4-5 years finding out?
Van Berlo - insert Steve Carell Gif - I'm not a fan and will bring the same vanilla phrases and comments as Nicks - and still have Laird running around - hard pass for me
Rutten - has coached on his own terms and has been part of successful sides but he seemed to struggle - maybe the list wasnt ready as we see Scott maximising the list currently
I dont see Ben as part of a Boys Club but I can understand those who say so
Just not sure he is good enough and can we afford 4-5 years finding out?
Van Berlo - insert Steve Carell Gif - I'm not a fan and will bring the same vanilla phrases and comments as Nicks - and still have Laird running around - hard pass for me
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Now for some names people have thrown around
Mark Stone - 6 years at Freo a flag at Glenelg and 3 years at Brisbane where he ran game strategy among other roles
I do like the idea of a coach having a great focus on strategy around end game situations etc - at least it highlights - Brisbane went deep in the 3 years he was at the club
But Im not sure he will move from Perth
Caracella and Cox are in good systems and would bring a depth to our club - as I said before I'm not sure we can afford 3 more years waiting to '' bed '' in a playing style
Mark Stone - 6 years at Freo a flag at Glenelg and 3 years at Brisbane where he ran game strategy among other roles
I do like the idea of a coach having a great focus on strategy around end game situations etc - at least it highlights - Brisbane went deep in the 3 years he was at the club
But Im not sure he will move from Perth
Caracella and Cox are in good systems and would bring a depth to our club - as I said before I'm not sure we can afford 3 more years waiting to '' bed '' in a playing style
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It is truly a hot potato and I'm not sure I will see the end benefits from any coach
I will agree that our list isnt putrid - it just looks top heavy because we have prioritized players who are ok but not brilliant and we have ignored our list while waiting for them stop making mistakes
I think a change of mindset is needed so sack Godden 2nd after Nicks
I will agree that our list isnt putrid - it just looks top heavy because we have prioritized players who are ok but not brilliant and we have ignored our list while waiting for them stop making mistakes
I think a change of mindset is needed so sack Godden 2nd after Nicks
Everyone seems to be forgetting Buckley's game plan and game style. The amount of times he was criticised for slow ball movement, being dour and unimaginative, football from the past etc. David Cloke blamed him for ruining Travis' career, Peter Moore publicly said he was relived Darcy was moving into defence as the forward line at Collingwood is a tough place to be.
The team he got from Malthouse (how often has a coach been handed a team that just made consecutive grand finals?) had the highest percentage in the history of the AFL. Buckley turned them into the most boring team in the comp. Then McRae comes along and with the same list, plays blistering, breakneck football and wins a flag.
The team he got from Malthouse (how often has a coach been handed a team that just made consecutive grand finals?) had the highest percentage in the history of the AFL. Buckley turned them into the most boring team in the comp. Then McRae comes along and with the same list, plays blistering, breakneck football and wins a flag.
Any coach we are looking at will be looking at us also
So a quality coach will be looking at our list and deciding will this be his downfall
You can approach Longmire McRae Scott but will they think they can achieve anything with our list or do they think they are have better list were they are
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Would Leppitsch be an option for a second chance?
Has been involved in some pretty good clubs since being sacked at Brisbane.
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I know he crashed & burned spectacularly (back in 2016) but has anyone mentioned Justin Leppitsch?
he's been at Brisbane, Richmond & is currently head of strategy (and defensive line coach) at Collingwood.
Surely worth putting in the conversation at least.
he's been at Brisbane, Richmond & is currently head of strategy (and defensive line coach) at Collingwood.
Surely worth putting in the conversation at least.
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You're first sentence should hopefully rule him out.
We can rule out basically anyone if we don't completely overhaul our footy department.
Vossy crashed and burned at Brisbane. He wasn't that great as an assistant at Port either. He's still the same bloke at Carlton but look what happens when you support a coach properly. Have a look at their coaching panel and compare it to the bargain bin rabble at Adelaide. They have people employed in roles we don't even have at Adelaide and they have more development coaches with actual AFL experience.
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Our lack of attracting quality assistant coaches and football department members is directly due to our lack of success
People complain about good quality coaches being unwilling to move to Adelaide to coach. Well if we were a successful well run club, we'd be able to develop coaches internally under a strong system directly out of our playing ranks, and promote staff through our system
Instead, because we are very bad and have been for a long time, we're forced to cycle through people, mass sackings, can't develop anyone, no good core philosophies or systems. We burn through all the potential people willing to work here. Appointments from within are 'boys club' because they don't have the credentials or proven record of success.
Just look at how Geelong is run. Their CEO is an ex-Geelong player and administrator. Their head of football is an ex-Geelong player developed under their strong system. They have three ex-Geelong players as assistant coaches.
That would be a disaster at the Crows, because we'd largely be selecting from a pool of unsuccessful losers. At Geelong, they are able to pick from boatloads of premiership winners across the playing group, coaches and administrators. And when staff do stay there for a long time like their recruiter Stephen Wells, it's because they are proven, not because they can't get anyone else to do it
People complain about good quality coaches being unwilling to move to Adelaide to coach. Well if we were a successful well run club, we'd be able to develop coaches internally under a strong system directly out of our playing ranks, and promote staff through our system
Instead, because we are very bad and have been for a long time, we're forced to cycle through people, mass sackings, can't develop anyone, no good core philosophies or systems. We burn through all the potential people willing to work here. Appointments from within are 'boys club' because they don't have the credentials or proven record of success.
Just look at how Geelong is run. Their CEO is an ex-Geelong player and administrator. Their head of football is an ex-Geelong player developed under their strong system. They have three ex-Geelong players as assistant coaches.
That would be a disaster at the Crows, because we'd largely be selecting from a pool of unsuccessful losers. At Geelong, they are able to pick from boatloads of premiership winners across the playing group, coaches and administrators. And when staff do stay there for a long time like their recruiter Stephen Wells, it's because they are proven, not because they can't get anyone else to do it
Clarkson won 4 flags. I don't care how incredible the list was, that's top tier.
My main concern is that we go with van berlo. If we do I don't think I could handle it. I don't want him anywhere near the crows. Midfield coach is bad enough. He just stinks of the Neil Craig era.
Goodwin would have to be the most likely of the premiership coaches but I don't think he would leave Melbourne in its current state.
One who impressed me early on in his coaching time was Lenny Hayes. I think he could be worth a punt. He lives eats and breathes footy. And he would actually be gettable.
A known coach who has been treated harshly imo is Brett ratten. He would actually be my top pick I think.
Goodwin would have to be the most likely of the premiership coaches but I don't think he would leave Melbourne in its current state.
One who impressed me early on in his coaching time was Lenny Hayes. I think he could be worth a punt. He lives eats and breathes footy. And he would actually be gettable.
A known coach who has been treated harshly imo is Brett ratten. He would actually be my top pick I think.
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Ratten would be a better choice for Head of Football IMO.
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