Banter Who will be better in 2025, Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[carlton_99]

Saad hasn't been great the last year. Not a C grader but certainly not at his A grade best of late

I agree he didn't have his best year in 24' but C-grader is absurd. I have been consistent on us needing to unlock him a bit more with increased responsibilities for Boyd.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Not AFL quality Corn Cobbers ?

“Miles ahead”: Carlton has the best kick in the competition coming out of defence and must use him more

“Across the season, Carlton are 12th in scoring from their back half at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Fadge]

I agree he didn't have his best year in 24' but C-grader is absurd. I have been consistent on us needing to unlock him a bit more with increased responsibilities for Boyd.

Rating players as A/B/C graders is only useful if we understand those players rated around them.

A player who is a C Grader to one person, may be a B Grader to another, and a D Grader to another.

I would love to see Carlton supporters' relative ratings of the Carlton and Collingwood listed players as A/B/C/D/E Graders.

Who is willing to take the challenge?

 

[carlton_99]

Not AFL quality Corn Cobbers ?

“Miles ahead”: Carlton has the best kick in the competition coming out of defence and must use him more

“Across the season, Carlton are 12th in scoring from their back half at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

He is a ridiculous kick of the football and very sound one-on-one despite being pretty small. Would be playing him every week

 

[carlton_99]

Rating players as A/B/C graders is only useful if we understand those players rated around them.

A player who is a C Grader to one person, may be a B Grader to another, and a D Grader to another.

I would love to see Carlton supporters' relative ratings of the Carlton and Collingwood listed players as A/B/C/D/E Graders.

Who is willing to take the challenge?

I think grading players with letter grades achieves nothing. Everyone has the right to their opinion ofc. I just vehemently disagree that Saad is an average player.

 

[Fadge]

Not AFL quality Corn Cobbers ?

“Miles ahead”: Carlton has the best kick in the competition coming out of defence and must use him more

“Across the season, Carlton are 12th in scoring from their back half at the moment.”

www.sen.com.au

Strikes me as a classic example of someone watching the game from a stats sheet as opposed to on the field.

I reckon this was debunked in a number of games this year, after this comment was made.

 

[Fadge]

I think grading players with letter grades achieves nothing. Everyone has the right to their opinion ofc. I just vehemently disagree that Saad is an average player.

How many players at Carlton would you have ahead of him?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Strikes me as a classic example of someone watching the game from a stats sheet as opposed to on the field.

I reckon this was debunked in a number of games this year, after this comment was made.

What is it that makes Boyd 'not AFL standard' according to you Fudge?

 

[carlton_99]

How many players at Carlton would you have ahead of him?

Cripps, Weitering, Curnow, McKay, TDK, Walsh and Cerra the only clear ones ahead imo with a few others like Newman, Acres, E.Hollands, McGovern, Hewett all around the mark. A fit Williams/Docherty would be in that group as well.

 

[Fadge]

Cripps, Weitering, Curnow, McKay, TDK, Walsh and Cerra the only clear ones ahead imo with a few others like Newman, Acres, E.Hollands, McGovern, Hewett all around the mark. A fit Williams/Docherty would be in that group as well.

OK. So he's somewhere between the 8th and 16th best player at Carlton, and you're suggesting someone who has a view of him as a C-Grader is 'absurd'?

 

[Fadge]

What is it that makes Boyd 'not AFL standard' according to you Fudge?

Oh, I must have missed the post where I claimed Boyd was 'not AFL standard'.

 

[carlton_99]

OK. So he's somewhere between the 8th and 16th best player at Carlton, and you're suggesting someone who has a view of him as a C-Grader is 'absurd'?

I never suggested the poster was absurd I suggested the view that Saad is a C-grader is absurd.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Oh, I must have missed the post where I claimed Boyd was 'not AFL standard'.

You responded to a post of me refuting that Boyd was not AFL standard...

 

[Fadge]

I never suggested the poster was absurd I suggested the view that Saad is a C-grader is absurd.

Yeah, we should all be aware now that the 33 players in Carlton's best 22 are all B Graders and above.

 

[carlton_99]

Yeah, we should all be aware now that the 33 players in Carlton's best 22 are all B Graders and above.

And again not words I have ever uttered.

 

[doppleganger]

OK. So he's somewhere between the 8th and 16th best player at Carlton, and you're suggesting someone who has a view of him as a C-Grader is 'absurd'?

Johnny 'F' Noble had a better 2024 than Saad.

 

[Fadge]

You responded to a post of me refuting that Boyd was not AFL standard...

My comment - 'a classic example of someone watching the game from a stats sheet' - was on the article that stated Boyd was 'comfortably' the best kick in the competition coming out of the backline, because it was '30 percent above expectation'.

 

[Fadge]

Johnny 'F' Noble had a better 2024 than Saad.

That's why I'd love to see a Carlton supporter's view on player gradings from our respective teams.

Because apparently all Collingwood's fringe best 22 players - Cox, WHE, Lipinski, etc. - are absolute duds, whilst there aren't many players on Carlton's list who are worse than C Graders.

 

[beerbandit]

Saads highly over rated.

 

[doppleganger]

Saads highly over rated.

Only by a few deluded Carlton fans...WOOF

 

[HeathySure]

I think Saad is a star, but he has been Vossed. Like most of their backline

 

[doppleganger]

Saads highly over rated.

2024 - Saad* v JFN - Compare the pair.

*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when determining the grading of a running small defender.

 

[Fadge]

2024 - Saad* v JFN - Compare the pair.

*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when determining the grading of a running small defender.

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But we do know the Carlton folk love a contested mark, and Saad averaged twice as many contested marks as JFN (subject to rounding)...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

2024 - Saad* v JFN - Compare the pair.

*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when determining the grading of a running small defender.

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Now do the same for Newman vs Houston please

 

[carlton_99]

2024 - Saad* v JFN - Compare the pair.

*Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance and should never be the sole factor considered when determining the grading of a running small defender.

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Comparing any player using stats like this is ridiculous. Especially the case for defenders.