Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn

Who will be better in 2025

  • Hawthorn

    Votes: 102 68.9%
  • Carlton

    Votes: 46 31.1%

  • Total voters
    148

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Except.... Owies is no longer at Carlton.

Where do Fogarty, Moir, Motlop and Williams rank?
According to DraftGuru:
Motlop C+, Williams B, Fogarty C+, Moir D, Cooper Lord D, Fantasia B Not enough information on Moir and Lord , even if they have played promising games. Even Jagga will be a D at this stage but for list comparisons he may be a C or even C+. After playing a full season Calsher Dear a C and the Wizard C+.

Apart from Lewis and Dear the Hawks list is generally healthy, whereas there may be durability question marks about some of the better Carlton players. (Curnow, Walsh, Cerra ). Williams, Docherty probably miss games throughout the season, Saad also.

Incidentally Mitchell has spent about $1.7 million in SC recruiting a 29 and a 26 year old, both of whom are only rated as B grade players. We was robbed.
 

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Carltons time is now. If I was a Carlton supporter, I'd be pretty filthy if they don't finish top 2 with a good draw and the top end talent they have.

It would be nice for the Hawks to finish the way they finished in 2024 however there is still time.
 
According to DraftGuru:
Motlop C+, Williams B, Fogarty C+, Moir D, Cooper Lord D, Fantasia B Not enough information on Moir and Lord , even if they have played promising games. Even Jagga will be a D at this stage but for list comparisons he may be a C or even C+. After playing a full season Calsher Dear a C and the Wizard C+.

Apart from Lewis and Dear the Hawks list is generally healthy, whereas there may be durability question marks about some of the better Carlton players. (Curnow, Walsh, Cerra ). Williams, Docherty probably miss games throughout the season, Saad also.

Incidentally Mitchell has spent about $1.7 million in SC recruiting a 29 and a 26 year old, both of whom are only rated as B grade players. We was robbed.
Fantasia is a D at best
 
Carltons time is now. If I was a Carlton supporter, I'd be pretty filthy if they don't finish top 2 with a good draw and the top end talent they have.

It would be nice for the Hawks to finish the way they finished in 2024 however there is still time.
I think there's 2 other teams that will be comfortably better than us in the regular season so I'm not going to be upset about missing top 2. Top 4 yes, but think 2 would be a fair stretch.
 
I just love the confidence and bravado of a supporter of a team who's not going to be upset if their team doesn't finish top 2, but will be if they don't finish top 4 - when that very team hasn't finished top 4 for more than two decades...
Easiest draw in footy in 2025 Fadge. Even if I don't think we're certain to be the one of the best 4 teams in it, I still think we finish top 4 this season on the back of being above average and having an extraordinarily soft draw.
 
Don't worry Fadge... the Pies are not one of them

Any chance you can stop dragging him into multiple threads to ruin with his garbage?

Most of us don't want to read his rubbish.

If you want to engage, do it in the banter thread.
 
Cripps is big, strong, an absolute bull and one of the best in congestion but put someone on him that breaks even …… you will more often than not win the midfield battle against the Blues.

Blues midfield could struggle against the top teams as you need a few hard nuts to get you through a long season and then (if you do make it) in finals when it gets hot in the kitchen!
 
Cripps is big, strong, an absolute bull and one of the best in congestion but put someone on him that breaks even …… you will more often than not win the midfield battle against the Blues.

Blues midfield could struggle against the top teams as you need a few hard nuts to get you through a long season and then (if you do make it) in finals when it gets hot in the kitchen!
Hewett Walsh and Cerra not hard nuts? TDK?
 

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Cripps is big, strong, an absolute bull and one of the best in congestion but put someone on him that breaks even …… you will more often than not win the midfield battle against the Blues.

Blues midfield could struggle against the top teams as you need a few hard nuts to get you through a long season and then (if you do make it) in finals when it gets hot in the kitchen!
The issue with Carlton's midfield in 2024 was not the lack of hard nuts. In fact it was quite the opposite - too many hard nuts and not enough able to spread from the contest and get to the outside. Hopefully Cerra stays fit and helps with this (as he did in 2023) plus the addition of Smith and imo some extra midfield minutes for E.Hollands.
 
An outside Mid (didnt say he was a squib, your words)

Got moved to half back for periods

Not a hard nut
Hawks had 2 players average over 10 CP in the last 2 seasons - Worpel and Newcombe. Cerra would have been a third at 10.1 in 2023.

This is his usual role, in and around the ball as one of our best defensive midfielders. He was moved to half back for a couple of games coming back from injury this year.



Clearly haven't watched him much if you think he's an outside mid since being at Carlton.
 
Hawks had 2 players average over 10 CP in the last 2 seasons - Worpel and Newcombe. Cerra would have been a third at 10.1 in 2023.

This is his usual role, in and around the ball as one of our best defensive midfielders. He was moved to half back for a couple of games coming back from injury this year.



Clearly haven't watched him much if you think he's an outside mid since being at Carlton.

Really

Our two main inside mids averaged high Contested Possessions, who would have thunk it 🤣

And our game plan relies on spread from the contest and open play, clearly haven't watched us enough if you think we need high CP numbers to succeed

So you play 4 inside mids in Walsh, Cripps, Hewett and Cerra, doesn't seem economical

Explains a lot about your issues with spread from the contest and fast ball movement
 
Really

Our two main inside mids averaged high Contested Possessions, who would have thunk it 🤣

And our game plan relies on spread from the contest and open play, clearly haven't watched us enough if you think we need high CP numbers to succeed

So you play 4 inside mids in Walsh, Cripps, Hewett and Cerra, doesn't seem economical

Explains a lot about your issues with spread from the contest and fast ball movement
Was actually 5 normally with Kennedy being the 5th. Hence why we moved him on despite being a very solid player.

Point remains Cerra is as tough and hard at it as anyone, may not be as big and strong as Cripps and the like but he cracks in all the same.
 
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The bloke in the background of this photo looking real ominous.

I assume our social media team haven't uploaded an in-focus picture of Nuke because of the sleepless nights it would have caused all opposition midfielders.
 
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The bloke in the background of this photo looking real ominous.

I assume our social media team haven't uploaded an in-focus picture of Nuke because of the sleepless nights it would have caused all opposition midfielders.
Yes... I'm sure the competition is living in fear of the 0 time All Australian midfield superstar that is Duke Newcombe.

I think a more terrifying prospect is that Clarence Oliver looks like he's finally off the cheeseburgers and gear, a player far better than Newcombe has ever been.

Thank Christ he didn't end up at Geelong.
 
Yes... I'm sure the competition is living in fear of the 0 time All Australian midfield superstar that is Duke Newcombe.

I think a more terrifying prospect is that Clarence Oliver looks like he's finally off the cheeseburgers and gear, a player far better than Newcombe has ever been.

Thank Christ he didn't end up at Geelong.
Yeah he isn't off one of them

If you can't see the obvious abilities of Newcombe, your just biased or lack knowledge, pick one
 
Yeah he isn't off one of them

If you can't see the obvious abilities of Newcombe, your just biased or lack knowledge, pick one
Newcombe is a very good player. He is not a player opposition clubs 'fear' like Bont, Cripps, Daicos, Trac, Butters etc.

Those players are tagged profusely out of fear of what they'll do if left unchecked, Newcombe is not.
 

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