Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Fadge]

Huh?? Finn didn't tag Nicky boy in one of those games and only tagged him for the first half of the first one. Last time Finn fully tagged The Squibbler was 2023 when he reverted to hiding down in the forward line after getting 5 touches in 3/4 and then copped an absolute belting which ruled him out for the next month or so.

Should also be mentioned Walsh was battling a major back injury during the game you speak of.

So the Hawks don't roll out Finn for Walsh?

I wonder why that would be?

 

[Fadge]

He'll never give it to you out of fear we'll bring it up in 2025 when they're stinking it up so he can say 'yada yada' is injured, if they were playing we'd be flag favourites. Just as he did with McSpud and Degoey etc this year.

I'll never provide it because it is irrelevant.

Simple as that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So the Hawks don't roll out Finn for Walsh?

I wonder why that would be?

They have before, doesn't often achieve much given our best mid is Cripps and we aren't as one dimensional through the middle as the Pies are with Nicky.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I'll never provide it because it is irrelevant.

Simple as that.

Even if it is whats the harm in providing it? Just like you refuse to fill out a squiggle predictor for us to critique...

I wonder why...

All talk.

 

[Fadge]

Even if it is whats the harm in providing it? Just like you refuse to fill out a squiggle predictor for us to critique...

I wonder why...

All talk.

Why are you guys so desperate to hear my analysis and predictions?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Why are you guys so desperate to hear my analysis and predictions?

Because we want to have something to bookmark for when you inevitably look like a schmuck again come September next year

 

[Fadge]

Because we want to have something to bookmark for when you inevitably look like a schmuck again come September next year

Nah, Obsession is real.

 

[Worm4]

Average of 25 possessions, a goal and 0.5 Brownlow votes - definitely down games for the best player in the comp over the past two seasons.

Is that like when Cripps, the leagues best player, has a 31 possession game in an Elimination Final, and y'all reckon he stinks it up in finals games ?

 

[Arr0w]

Even if it is whats the harm in providing it? Just like you refuse to fill out a squiggle predictor for us to critique...

I wonder why...

All talk.

Irrelevant, but then tells others who is and isn't in another clubs best 22

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Irrelevant, but then tells others who is and isn't in another clubs best 22

Rumour has it he's still waffling on about Jack Silvagni being included in some Carlton best 22s

 

[South of the Yarra]

Irrelevant, but then tells others who is and isn't in another clubs best 22

So is Silvagni in your best 22? Or would he have been in 2024?

 

[Fadge]

Rumour has it he's still waffling on about Jack Silvagni being included in some Carlton best 22s

I'm not the one who wrote an article about how many games each club's best 22 missed through injury, nor am I the one who shared it on BigFooty without understanding the underlying data to prove some sort of point as to why my team failed to contend for the premiership for the 25th consecutive seasons...

 

[Fadge]

So is Silvagni in your best 22? Or would he have been in 2024?

Of course he would have been.

Because that's 24 games they can add to the 'Games missed by best 22 players' total!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So is Silvagni in your best 22? Or would he have been in 2024?

Yes he would have been. The main reason being he chops out in the ruck for TDK and means we don't have to play both Pittonet and TDK in the same side

 

[carlton_99]

So is Silvagni in your best 22? Or would he have been in 2024?

Played 21/23 games in 2022 and played 16/18 games in 2023 before doing his ACL. Likely would have played a lot of games again in 2024 had he been fit especially with Martin only managing 3 games. He's in my best 23 for 2025.

 

[Worm4]

So is Silvagni in your best 22? Or would he have been in 2024?

If Owies and Kennedy is/was best 22 as some in here claim they were 100% , then Silvagni is in every day of the week, and on sundays

 

[Worm4]

Put a line through Tom Mitchell. Already in the moon boot. It's started already - not that injuries will be to blame

 

[Arr0w]

Put a line through Tom Mitchell. Already in the moon boot. It's started already - not that injuries will be to blame

Is he best 22 though?

 

[Fadge]

He's in my best 23 for 2025.

See, that's the thing.

Your best 23 is different to Wormy's best 23 which will be different from CArr0w's best 23.

It's all opinion based, and should in fact change based on opposition match-ups. Not to mention a 'Best 23' is almost never going to be available anyway, hence the importance of depth and versatility.

That is why a table of 'games missed by best 22/23 players' would vary greatly based on who compiled that list, so is of little interest to me when looking at which team was more impacted by injury across a whole season (because that's what the Carlton folk love doing).

 

[Arr0w]

See, that's the thing.

Your best 23 is different to Wormy's best 23 which will be different from CArr0w's best 23.

It's all opinion based, and should in fact change based on opposition match-ups. Not to mention a 'Best 23' is almost never going to be available anyway, hence the importance of depth and versatility.

That is why a table of 'games missed by best 22/23 players' would vary greatly based on who compiled that list, so is of little interest to me when looking at which team was more impacted by injury across a whole season (because that's what the Carlton folk love doing).

But then you try and dissect who was impacted more by injury, by sharing your "opinion" on the matter

Of course it's about squad mentality, and you can probably narrow it down further to around 30 odd players, but continuity to your better players is the number 1 aspect in team sport

 

[Fadge]

Having the best, deepest and most versatile playing list is the most important thing in AFL football.

Because if you don't have that, you'll fall away quickly when the inevitable injuries come.

Which is what we've seen from the current Carlton squad.

Continuity of your best players comes next.

 

[Robertio]

Having the best, deepest and most versatile playing list is the most important thing in AFL football.

Because if you don't have that, you'll fall away quickly when the inevitable injuries come.

Which is what we've seen from the current Carlton squad.

Continuity of your best players comes next.

1st to 9th is a big drop, i consider that due to the fact Pies had no depth as well and you watch age catch up with them quickly.

 

[Fadge]

1st to 9th is a big drop, i consider that due to the fact Pies had no depth as well and you watch age catch up with them quickly.

Good thing it will never be a problem for Carlton - 'having such a big drop from 1st', in the same way that you'll be able to keep the impressive Grand Final record against Collingwood from the 20th century in tact, by continuing to avoid playing in Grand Finals.

 

[Robertio]

Good thing it will never be a problem for Carlton - 'having such a big drop from 1st', in the same way that you'll be able to keep the impressive Grand Final record against Collingwood from the 20th century in tact, by continuing to avoid playing in Grand Finals.

"Never" i like that

 

[Arr0w]

Having the best, deepest and most versatile playing list is the most important thing in AFL football.

Because if you don't have that, you'll fall away quickly when the inevitable injuries come.

Which is what we've seen from the current Carlton squad.

Continuity of your best players comes next.

Impacts all sides, which you would understand given the Pies 2024 season