Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[carlton_99]

The contract is for 14 MCG games, 9 home and 5 away.

Whether it is an away game against WB, Ess or Haw aint relevant to the contract.

The fact is, that like 2024 it is just the regular contractual agreement.

You're agreement is to play two homes games at Marvel per year. They are never going to be against a big Melbourne club like Essendon/Hawthorn as the AFL would be locking too many people out. It's always going to be against an interstate club or a Marvel tenant.

This Saints/Dogs thing in back to back years is outside of any agreement with the AFL or stadium. It is simply Collingwood getting an extra home game they weren't scheduled to get in back-to-back years.

Again lots of inequalities in the fixtures for all teams so you won't see me using it as an excuse if we finish below Collingwood in 2025.

 

[doppleganger]

You're agreement is to play two homes games at Marvel per year. They are never going to be against a big Melbourne club like Essendon/Hawthorn as the AFL would be locking too many people out. It's always going to be against an interstate club or a Marvel tenant.

This Saints/Dogs thing in back to back years is outside of any agreement with the AFL or stadium. It is simply Collingwood getting an extra home game they weren't scheduled to get in back-to-back years.

Again lots of inequalities in the fixtures for all teams so you won't see me using it as an excuse if we finish below Collingwood in 2025.

Herp derp.

We always get an extra "away" game because of contractual arrangements at Etihad, but that is ok because of contractual arrangements.

Our MCG agreement is 14 games, 9 as the nominal home team and 5 as the nominal away team, that wont change in 2025.

We better still get our away game against Carlton at the G, the gauranteed win!

 

[carlton_99]

Herp derp.

We always get an extra "away" game because of contractual arrangements at Etihad, but that is ok because of contractual arrangements.

Our MCG agreement is 14 games, 9 as the nominal home team and 5 as the nominal away team, that wont change in 2025.

We better still get our away game against Carlton at the G, the gauranteed win!

Yes it being contracted does matter. It's agreed by the club and the AFL.

It's like Carlton being contracted to play home games at Marvel which leaves us with no home ground advantage unless we play an interstate team in Melbourne. I would love to counteract that even partially with an away game at the G against a Marvel tenant but we don't get that.

 

[doppleganger]

Yes it being contracted does matter. It's agreed by the club and the AFL.

It's like Carlton being contracted to play home games at Marvel which leaves us with no home ground advantage unless we play an interstate team in Melbourne. I would love to counteract that even partially with an away game at the G against a Marvel tenant but we don't get that.

So your "point" is that Pies getting 1 of our 5 contracted MCG away games against a Marvel tenant is an unfair advantage.

But the Pies ALWAYS effectively having a home game become an away game is not a disadvantage because of a Marvel contract.

 

[carlton_99]

So your "point" is that Pies getting 1 of our 5 contracted MCG away games against a Marvel tenant is an unfair advantage.

But the Pies ALWAYS effectively having a home game become an away game is not a disadvantage because of a Marvel contract.

I never said that at all - I've said multiple times there are advantages and disadvantages everywhere in fixture for all teams. I don't have an agenda like some on here which is why I don't use that stuff as an excuse for my team's results in a season

 

[augie]

Why would it frustrate me, I've seen 8 flags, to your 3, max

It's okay to admit it. You were probably in the prime of your life. More flags than us, less spoons, watching us stumble through a 32 year premiership drought. You couldn't have imagined things being that bad.

Yet here you stand, your prime a distant memory and the only thing left to savour is you haven't hit a 32 year flag drought.

Yet.

 

[Cyclops]

Is some Blueshaker whining because Collingwood carries the league financially?

Stop moaning and pull your weight. Carlton begs to play Collingwood twice a year just like the rest.

Talk about priorities, they want the cash more than they want to win flags. Flashy players, individual awards. They've lost sight of what football is really about.

 

[carlton_99]

Is some Blueshaker whining because Collingwood carries the league financially?

Stop moaning and pull your weight. Carlton begs to play Collingwood twice a year just like the rest.

Talk about priorities, they want the cash more than they want to win flags. Flashy players, individual awards. They've lost sight of what football is really about.

If you think Carlton need to rely on Collingwood for anything you are having a laugh.

And are you referring to the individual awards that Pies fans bring up every living second on here?

 

[JustaBattler]

The contract is for 14 MCG games, 9 home and 5 away.

Whether it is an away game against WB, Ess or Haw aint relevant to the contract.

The fact is, that like 2024 it is just the regular contractual agreement.

contract pigs ars*!

it is a baltant fix - and you dirty birders know it.

how embarassing to be a Club that has to cheat a home ground advantage even to finish 9th...

AFL's dirty bird secret

phtoooee

 

[JustaBattler]

Is some Blueshaker whining because Collingwood carries the league financially?

Stop moaning and pull your weight. Carlton begs to play Collingwood twice a year just like the rest.

Talk about priorities, they want the cash more than they want to win flags. Flashy players, individual awards. They've lost sight of what football is really about.

hahahah as Carlton needs anything from you dirty birders - Carlton the aristocrats of the competition needing something from a Club everyone calls "the filth"


from a bloke that whines about 'priotrity zones' from a century ago..

LOL you cotton mouthed cheat club supporter shame shame shame

 

[doppleganger]

I never said that at all - I've said multiple times there are advantages and disadvantages everywhere in fixture for all teams. I don't have an agenda like some on here which is why I don't use that stuff as an excuse for my team's results in a season

Bahahahaha

No agenda

Western Bulldogs playing a "home" game at the G' against the Pies in 2025. We love an even fixture

Yes some clubs do get significant fixture advantages before even factoring in opposition

Getting 12 home games in back-to-back years is a significant advantage yes.

Your agenda means you just ignore that EVERY year one of our "home" games is effectively an away disadvantage game at Marvel.

Bit like how you ignore that some teams benefit from soft fixtures each year.

 

[carlton_99]

Bahahahaha

No agenda





Your agenda means you just ignore that EVERY year one of our "home" games is effectively an away disadvantage game at Marvel.

Bit like how you ignore that some teams benefit from soft fixtures each year.

No I don't ignore it - it is impossible for me to take into account every facet of the draw that is uneven and so I don't use it as an excuse. I've said this many times.

If you are going to use it as an excuse as many Pies fans have on here you need to take into account everything or you can just pick and choose what you use as the basis of your argument (i.e., an agenda).

 

[doppleganger]

contract pigs ars*!

it is a baltant fix - and you dirty birders know it.

how embarassing to be a Club that has to cheat a home ground advantage even to finish 9th...

AFL's dirty bird secret

phtoooee

Another Bagger who doesnt fact check.

A "home" game at Marvel against the Dogs
An "away" game at the G against the Saints

There is no extra advantage.

The normal practice is the Pies effectively donate one of our home games to the battlers like Dogs, Saints or North as we ALWAYS play a "home" game at Marvel against one of them.

It is the least we can do as the powerhouse of the league, just like being the only team the AFL wanted to use again in opening round...

 

[doppleganger]

No I don't ignore it - it is impossible for me to take into account every facet of the draw that is uneven and so I don't use it as an excuse. I've said this many times.

If you are going to use it as an excuse as many Pies fans have on here you need to take into account everything or you can just pick and choose what you use as the basis of your argument (i.e., an agenda).

You decide to crap on about "extra home games", fixture advantages to Collingwood

All based on you choosing to ignore that every year Collingwood gives up a home game under the opposite scenario that you were complaining about...but yeah no agenda

Perhaps ask Fadge to borrow his abacus if gettting a bit complex for you

 

[Arr0w]

It's okay to admit it. You were probably in the prime of your life. More flags than us, less spoons, watching us stumble through a 32 year premiership drought. You couldn't have imagined things being that bad.

Yet here you stand, your prime a distant memory and the only thing left to savour is you haven't hit a 32 year flag drought.

Yet.

Looks like another Pie supporter with Ned Guys abacus

You only need one hand to work out the difference in flags over those 60 odd years

 

[South of the Yarra]

Looks like another Pie supporter with Ned Guys abacus

You only need one hand to work out the difference in flags over those 60 odd years

You don't need any hands to work out Carlton's flags in the last 29 years.

 

[Arr0w]

Pies now donating games?

 

[Arr0w]

You don't need any hands to work out Carlton's flags in the last 29 years.

Isn't great that we can all frame a timeline?

 

[carlton_99]

You decide to crap on about "extra home games", fixture advantages to Collingwood

All based on you choosing to ignore that every year Collingwood gives up a home game under the opposite scenario that you were complaining about...but yeah no agenda

Perhaps ask Fadge to borrow his abacus if gettting a bit complex for you

Only reason I brought it up is because it got announced today. Found it funny considering the constant talk about the fixtures from Pies fans.

I haven't ignored anything as I don't bring up the fixture as a reason for a team doing well or a team doing poorly because I understand that there are inequalities everywhere that impact all teams. Collingwood are contracted to play two home Marvel games every year - why would I bring it up every year?

You are the one that picks and chooses what to use as evidence when it comes to the fixture and using that as a reason for your team underperforming expectations.

 

[Arr0w]

I've been around for both sides competing for a GF 13 times each

One 8 and 5, other 3 and 10

Glorious

 

[doppleganger]

Only reason I brought it up is because it got announced today. Found it funny considering the constant talk about the fixtures from Pies fans.

That agenda

I haven't ignored anything as I don't bring up the fixture as a reason for a team doing well or a team doing poorly because I understand that there are inequalities everywhere that impact all teams. Collingwood are contracted to play two home Marvel games every year - why would I bring it up every year?

Yes the fixture aint equal. Pies giving away a home game is a disadvantage

Just like Port getting an extra home game is an advantage.

And some teams getting 4 games against historic battlers is an advantage.

You are the one that picks and chooses what to use as evidence when it comes to the fixture and using that as a reason for your team underperforming.

The 2024 fixture had nothing to do with Pies under-performing.

But the 2024 fixture definately impacted the H&A ladder, some teams benefitted from soft fixtures which saw them get undeserved H&A ladder finishes.

It happens every year, why pretend otherwise?

 

[Arr0w]

"There they go again blaming injuries, umpiring decisions and or the draw"

 

[carlton_99]

That agenda

My only agenda when it comes to fixturing is that it's highly compromised for all teams. Not once have I judged a season because of a fixture a team got.

Simply put, there are things in the fixture that help Carlton and things that hurt them just like Collingwood and any other team. So I don't see it as a significant factor over a season.

Just like Port getting an extra home game is an advantage.

And some teams getting 4 games against historic battlers is an advantage.

Yes, Opening Round and Gather Round both make the fixture even more compromised because of either extra byes OR extra home games (Port/Crows) and away games (their opponents).

The 2024 fixture had nothing to do with Pies under-performing.

But the 2024 fixture definately impacted the H&A ladder, some teams benefitted from soft fixtures which saw them get undeserved H&A ladder finishes.

It happens every year, why pretend otherwise?

I edited it earlier to clarify I meant "Underperforming expectations". Your expectations for the purposes of this thread was that they would finish higher than Carlton and they didn't. You have directly blamed the fixture for this by only looking at the evidence regarding fixturing that suits your argument - that is the definition of an agenda or confirmation bias.

If you truly want to use the fixture as a reason for anything you need to look at ALL factors not just the ones that suit your argument.

 

[Arr0w]

My only agenda when it comes to fixturing is that it's highly compromised for all teams. Not once have I judged a season because of a fixture a team got.

Simply put, there are things in the fixture that help Carlton and things that hurt them just like Collingwood and any other team. So I don't see it as a significant factor over a season.

Yes, Opening Round and Gather Round both make the fixture even more compromised because of either extra byes OR extra home games (Port/Crows) and away games (their opponents).

I edited it earlier to clarify I meant "Underperforming expectations". Your expectations for the purposes of this thread was that they would finish higher than Carlton and they didn't. You have directly blamed the fixture for this by only looking at the evidence regarding fixturing that suits your argument - that is the definition of an agenda and confirmation bias.

If you truly want to use the fixture as a reason for anything you need to look at ALL factors not just the ones that suit your argument.

It really is hilarious

A handful of Pie supporters knew the draw (indicating/predicting North and Tigers would finish bottom 4) when they "analytically" predicted we would finish 13th or lower.

Then claiming the reason we finished higher, was due to an easy draw

Oh boy

 

[carlton_99]

It really is hilarious

A handful of Pie supporters knew the draw (indicating/predicting North and Tigers would finish bottom 4) when they "analytically" predicted we would finish 13th or lower.

Then claiming the reason we finished higher, was due to an easy draw

Oh boy

It's just funny how they only focus on the part of the draw that suits them and nothing else.

Edit: I will add one thing which is if you take out opponent difficulty which changes and just focus on what is consistent each year I would much rather be Collingwood than Carlton when it comes to the fixture. More games at the G' where the big finals are played is a big plus and getting an actual home ground advantage against Vic teams like Saints, Dogs, North etc would be huge imo. Carlton since 2004 have played those three teams at the G' only seven times combined (5 - Saints, 2 - Dogs, 0 - North)