Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Scritchyscroony]

What the hell is this weird argument about?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

What the hell is this weird argument about?

Arr0w's incongruous predictions

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Chief]

---

x = Carlton's final 2025 ladder position
y = Collingwood's final 2025 ladder position
A = {x, y}
B = {5, 6, 7, 8}

Prediction:
1. A ⊂ B
2. x > y

---

I don't know how to write that in FadgeMaths. Might be fewer ⊂ symbols and more squirrels.

 

[Cyclops]

Glad we have established that both sides can finish in the 5th-8th "range" with Carlton fifinishing

Look what was the original unedited post?
The two statements "Collingwood and Carlton finish 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" don't actually cohere.

As two absolute statements they preclude one another.

I accept your intent, "Pies and Blues will be in the group of four that finishes 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" but maybe better to restate it if you didn't actually say that?&5*⁵*56655-------5/<898>.?454^

If the original post was "Collingwood and Carlton finish 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" the qualifiers yields 5-7 for you and 6-8 for us. They're overlapping subsets of a set you described but can't actually apply to either member.

Mind you it's been over 25 years since I studied logical positivism, and maybe you want a mathematician, but just my take on this.

You don't want to be wrong, then it comes back to "but I meant..." and that's a weak comeback.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Arr0w's incongruous predictions

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Read two pages and have NFI wot is going on in here.
Can't we just go back to laughing at Carlton's shitness?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Read two pages and have NFI wot is going on in here.
Can't we just go back to laughing at Carlton's shitness?

They're deflecting from that with mod-sanctioned pseudologic

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Fadge]

What the hell is this weird argument about?

An interesting case study in trench warfare dynamics....

 

[Chief]

Should I put it another way for you?

Given
x = Carlton's AFL ladder position
y = Collingwood's AFL ladder position
A = {x, y}
B = {5, 6, 7, 8}

Prediction
At the end of the 2025 AFL home and away season, the following will be true:
1. A ⊂ B
2. x > y

 

[Pistol Night]

Should I put it another way for you?

Given
x = Carlton's AFL ladder position
y = Collingwood's AFL ladder position
A = {x, y}
B = {5, 6, 7, 8}

Prediction
At the end of the 2025 AFL home and away season, the following will be true:
1. A ⊂ B
2. x > y

Mate we're Pies supporters, we haven't even got our pen licences yet

 

[Robertio]

Mate we're Pies supporters, we haven't even got our pen licences yet

I had a quick read and I'm going back to work.

 

[JustaBattler]

Look what was the original unedited post?
The two statements "Collingwood and Carlton finish 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" don't actually cohere.

As two absolute statements they preclude one another.

I accept your intent, "Pies and Blues will be in the group of four that finishes 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" but maybe better to restate it if you didn't actually say that?&5*⁵*56655-------5/<898>.?454^

If the original post was "Collingwood and Carlton finish 5-8" and "Carlton will finish higher" the qualifiers yields 5-7 for you and 6-8 for us. They're overlapping subsets of a set you described but can't actually apply to either member.

Mind you it's been over 25 years since I studied logical positivism, and maybe you want a mathematician, but just my take on this.

You don't want to be wrong, then it comes back to "but I meant..." and that's a weak comeback.

talk about tortured ...nuffery.

At Sydney University the Mathematics Department IS part of the School of Philosophy - logical positivism has NOTHING to do with basic numeracy - basic numeracy is a given.

There was no attempt by Arr0w to be ambiguous - no use of "might" and "if this" and "that" and "the other thing" tossed in with 50 insults per sentence which is Fudgey's style - just a simple statement - and in jumping in to be the typical smart ass Fudgey is - all he did was reveal his "stoopid" ( again) and was called out for it ( again)



As for your self serving and lame chest puffery - no need to pretend ther was any error in teh expression - because there wasn't:

Arr0w predicts that both teams will finish between 5th and 8th in 2025 and that Carlton will finish higher - given the FACT that percentage differences exist to split the difference if teams finish on the same H&A points..again a given in any discussion ( except with you flogs regarding 2024) - I have to ask the obvious :

are you as nuffie as fudgey ?

 

[Cyclops]

Should I put it another way for you?

Given
x = Carlton's AFL ladder position
y = Collingwood's AFL ladder position
A = {x, y}
B = {5, 6, 7, 8}

Prediction
At the end of the 2025 AFL home and away season, the following will be true:
1. A ⊂ B
2. x > y

Yeah sure that's the maths answer, which is the realm of the unhinged, who believe theres a -1. "Give me -1 apples" the statement of a lunatic. He used words, not drunk Us.

The exact words. Were they "we both finish 5-8"? I searched the thread but my computer skills rank with my oral hygiene.

 

[Pistol Night]

Yeah sure that's the maths answer, which is the realm of the unhinged, who believe theres a -1. "Give me -1 apples" the statement of a lunatic. He used words, not drunk Us.

The exact words. Were they "we both finish 5-8"? I searched the thread but my computer skills rank with my oral hygiene.

We should be aiming for top 4 with the inclusions and a better injury run. We did finish top and win a flag 14 months ago. I know it seems to be a given all our over 30s have morphed into their late 80s but we’ll wait and see

 

[Fadge]

talk about tortured ...nuffery.

At Sydney University the Mathematics Department IS part of the School of Philosophy - logical positivism has NOTHING to do with basic numeracy - basic numeracy is a given.

There was no attempt by Arr0w to be ambiguous - no use of "might" and "if this" and "that" and "the other thing" tossed in with 50 insults per sentence which is Fudgey's style - just a simple statement - and in jumping in to be the typical smart ass Fudgey is - all he did was reveal his "stoopid" ( again) and was called out for it ( again)



As for your self serving and lame chest puffery - no need to pretend ther was any error in teh expression - because there wasn't:

Arr0w predicts that both teams will finish between 5th and 8th in 2025 and that Carlton will finish higher - given the FACT that percentage differences exist to split the difference if teams finish on the same H&A points..again a given in any discussion ( except with you flogs regarding 2024) - I have to ask the obvious :

are you as nuffie as fudgey ?

Rather ironic that you're referencing another poster using insults.....

As an aside, why do you always have a space after your first parenthesis?

 

[Fadge]

We should be aiming for top 4 with the inclusions and a better injury run. We did finish top and win a flag 14 months ago. I know it seems to be a given all our over 30s have morphed into their late 80s but we’ll wait and see

Yep, that's the difference between Carlton and Collingwood in the modern era.

Collingwood expects to finish top 4 and contend for premierships. We therefore build our list accordingly.

Carlton don't know what it takes to build a list to finish top 4 and contend for premierships, so that take their foot of the accelerator when their top 6 players are in their absolute prime, and instead plan for the medium term.

It's as though Carlton are happy enough to contend for a finals position... they just don't want to go back to spending multiple years in the bottom 2/bottom 4 as they have done so regularly this century...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yep, that's the difference between Carlton and Collingwood in the modern era.

Collingwood expects to finish top 4 and contend for premierships. We therefore build our list accordingly.

Carlton don't know what it takes to build a list to finish top 4 and contend for premierships, so that take their foot of the accelerator when their top 6 players are in their absolute prime, and instead plan for the medium term.

It's as though Carlton are happy enough to contend for a finals position... they just don't want to go back to spending multiple years in the bottom 2/bottom 4 as they have done so regularly this century...

At least they'll get one of the 15 needle-moving PODs in this year's draft

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Fadge]

At least they'll get one of the 15 needle-moving PODs in this year's draft

They hope...

 

[JustaBattler]

Rather ironic that you're referencing another poster using insults.....

As an aside, why do you always have a space after your first parenthesis?

I rolled the dice this morning and they came up "give back what he Collingflogs give out today"

as for parenthsis - to give dullards time to catch up.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

They hope...

It's a ridiculously even draft, almost a lottery

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Fadge]

It's a ridiculously even draft, almost a lottery

I'd be concerned about Carlton if they were able to get the likes of Papley in the door a couple of years ago, and Houston this year, with their top 6 in their prime.

Alas, it wasn't to be.

 

[Fadge]

I rolled the dice this morning and they came up "give back what he Collingflogs give out today"

'Respond in kind', straight from the Carlton playbook.

Others would consider it hypocritical.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I'd be concerned about Carlton if they were able to get the likes of Papley in the door a couple of years ago, and Houston this year, with their top 6 in their prime.

Alas, it wasn't to be.

Ah well they've set the table now, truth is they don't have any young guns so whoever they get at 3 or 4 will probably be their best young player, exciting!!

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Scritchyscroony]

An interesting case study in trench warfare dynamics....

To esoteric.

Anyway...
Wouldn't want to be in the trenches with Carlton. When they're not shitting their pants and running away they keep fumbling their grenades and blowing up their comrades.
This year they dug a tunnel to plant a mine but got the measurements wrong and blew up their own forward machine gun bunker at hill 060.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

ChatGPT says the prediction is fine.

Yes, your sentence does make sense grammatically and logically in English:

"Carlton & Collingwood to both finish between 5th & 8th, with Carlton finishing higher."

Why It Works​

• Structure: The sentence has a clear, logical structure. It sets the main condition (both teams finishing 5th to 8th) and then adds a further qualification (Carlton finishing higher).
• Coherence: Both parts of the prediction can coexist without contradiction. Saying both teams will finish in the same range (5th to 8th) and that Carlton will finish higher is internally consistent because Carlton could be 5th/6th and Collingwood could be 7th/8th.

 

[Worm4]

I'd be concerned about Carlton if they were able to get the likes of Papley in the door a couple of years ago, and Houston this year, with their top 6 in their prime.

Alas, it wasn't to be.

Still banging on about the past.....