Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[WalshistheGOAT]

It's not thread derailing when I am discussing valid football arguments - see the last couple of pages for more examples. I haven't seen you discussing football at all, instead simply sniping and taking pot shots.

Did you or did you not get told not to get involved in Carlton related threads for a period of time?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Easiest way would be to ignore it, bound to get the hint then, surely

Lets hope

 

[Mr Meow]

Did you or did you not get told not to get involved in Carlton related threads for a period of time?

Find me the quote and I'm happy to see.

Otherwise I'm happy to continue discussing Carlton or Collingwood in appropriate threads, and accept that you will continue to moan in a really off putting way.

 

[Mr Meow]

Easiest way would be to ignore it, bound to get the hint then, surely

Like I said, I'm happy to engage with civil posters, and even happier if those who aren't simply ignore my posts. There are plenty in this thread who have been civil so I've no reason to leave,

 

[Mr Meow]

carlton_99 is once again stuck hitting the laugh button after having more flimsy arguments deconstructed and requesting me to stop. Instead of discussing football, of course.

 

[carlton_99]

carlton_99 is once again stuck hitting the laugh button after having more flimsy arguments deconstructed and requesting me to stop. Instead of discussing football, of course.

I use it when I find a post to be funny. If you are offended by it I apologise and will stop laugh reacting to your posts even if I find them funny.

And I never requested you to stop. I said I will be stopping as this conversation has been done to death over the last 48-hours. You do you.

 

[Mr Meow]

I use it when I find a post to be funny. If you are offended by it I apologise and will stop laugh reacting to your posts even if I find them funny.

And I never requested you to stop. I said I will be stopping as this conversation has been done to death over the last 48-hours. You do you.

Who said I was offended? I pointed it out to mock it.

Good luck to you. If you say stuff I disagree with I may quote you and provide reasons why. Hopefully you're okay with that.

 

[carlton_99]

No simple, you make the statement that team that finishes higher is better. Collingwood have finished higher on the ladder than Carlton many more times. This means by YOUR metrics, Collingwood over history is a significantly greater club than Carlton. Thank you for the admission.

Who do you think had a better season?
Team A - finished 3rd on the ladder and won the flag
Team B - finished 1st on the ladder

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Find me the quote and I'm happy to see.

Otherwise I'm happy to continue discussing Carlton or Collingwood in appropriate threads, and accept that you will continue to moan in a really off putting way.

This was my wrap up of the game. And outside the quote below, is the only comment I made post game other than praising Geelongs small forwards for killing us on the night.

Umps were a disgrace all night and imo heavily in Geelongs favor but that's not why we lost. Defense is a shambles with the outs we've got, no cohesion at all which led to the Cats rebound being way too effective. Regardless of players, we can't have the press falling apart that easily or we'll get torched like we did tonight.

Overall I felt like that was one of our worst performances of the year, way too many shit entries, felt like a million missed shots on goal which were genuine gimme's and just wasteful inside 50 time after time.

Cats once again displayed the value of good small fwds, consistently creating for their team and allows Jez to roam up and back. If McKay and Curnow go roaming we have genuinely nothing up fwd to kick to, it's an issue I've been rambling on about for seemingly years and unfortunately it was again tonight.

You then got into some bickering with some other Carlton fans who actually were whinging about injuries and the umpires etc... You demanded them stop sooking and making excuses for the loss. After about a day and what seemed like 100s of posts I told you that if you stop reading and sooking about all their posts they'll likely stop responding altogether and everyone can move on... Somehow you took that as me whinging and sooking about injuries and umpires apparently...

3 months later you were still going about every thread on here saying I was still whinging and sooking like I was in rd 7
I just never bothered telling you because I found it amusing until it became borderline psychotic behaviour.

So forgive me for treating you like I would a troll Meowbagger... Personally I just don't think anything you say should be treated as anything but the ramblings of a mad man.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

But getting back to the thread, have we had the annual 'Fin Macrae breakout year' fluff pieces come out yet or are they a post Christmas tradition?

I saw Spud McInnes got a big pump up from Swoop Luke on the socials... Sounds like another dismal year is on the cards for the Pies if those two are the current standouts at pre season

 

[Mr Meow]

This was my wrap up of the game. And outside the quote below, is the only comment I made post game other than praising Geelongs small forwards for killing us on the night.

You then got into some bickering with some other Carlton fans who actually were whinging about injuries and the umpires etc... You demanded them stop sooking and making excuses for the loss. After about a day and what seemed like 100s of posts I told you that if you stop reading and sooking about all their posts they'll likely stop responding altogether and everyone can move on... Somehow you took that as me whinging and sooking about injuries and umpires apparently...

3 months later you were still going about every thread on here saying I was still whinging and sooking just like in rd 7
I just never bothered telling you because I found it amusing until it became borderline psychotic behaviour.

So forgive me for treating you like I would a troll Meowbagger... Personally I just think its what you deserve.

The quote I was talking about was the request for me not to engage in any Carlton threads. But anyway.

You started following me around and taking pot shots after I called out Carlton supporters excuses. That was it. Something you never quite let go. Almost psychopathic and therefore your protection of that term onto me does make sense.

Keep up the good work. If you don't whinge, I won't call you a whinger, and you won't be upset. Pretty simple stuff. In lab experiments a mouse can learn such adaptive behaviours exceptionally quickly. I do think your intelligence is at least at that level.

 

[JustaBattler]

"Reasons" are what people on the other side of arguments call "excuses". "Excuses" are what peopel on the other side of an argument call "reasons".

and so on and so forth blah blah blah

 

[Gone Critical]

I said that Sidebottom wouldn't come close to doing what Acres did for Carlton over the last two years. I said Acres' biggest impact as a winger was his ability to get back and help out the defence aerially - a trait that Sidebottom doesn't have. This aerial ability is also important in the F50. Don't get how this isn't logical.

You said that if you swapped Acres for Sidebottom it wouldn't have made a big difference and I disagreed.

Your overall assessment of Acres is very fair, my opinion doesnt have him as high as you do but its not miles off. I would put him into the combo team ahead of Steele in 2025 no trouble. I don't agree with it making a big difference.

Acres aerial and defensive work is excellent. So is Sideys defensive side and aerial he is not as good but still impacts. He is very much the mid who gets back deep in defence and helps out. Always has. If you said this about the Daicos brothers, Pendles, De Goey or Mitchell I would agree but Sidey is our 2 way mid.

Examples of the aerial stuff would be if you look at his 300 game highlight package you will see a couple of defensive spoils are highlighted. One in the goal square against Geel with Darcy Cameron, Jeremy Cameron and Tom Hawkins. While its only 2 examples they are there because its something Sidey is regularly seen to do. I am not saying he is at Acres level aerially but it is a relative quality in his game. For his overall 2 way effect there is a highlight reel of his 2023 GF and its a typical Sidey game. He is frequently seen down back, intercepting, tackling and pressuring as well as the attacking side. I just think you have missed this quality in Sidey

Final point would be the tagging job, a new role for him, he did in the last 3 rounds of 24. He stifled Gulden, Neale and Viney significantly curtailing their impact while boosting his own output compared to the rest of the season by about 5 possies per game. I think that increase relates to the tagging role having put him back in the action more. But these outcomes don't come from players who dont have a strong defensive side to their game. The package below is the 2 way player we Pie supporters know

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The quote I was talking about was the request for me not to engage in any Carlton threads. But anyway.

You started following me around and taking pot shots after I called out Carlton supporters excuses. That was it. Something you never quite let go. Almost psychopathic and therefore your protection of that term onto me does make sense.

Keep up the good work. If you don't whinge, I won't call you a whinger, and you won't be upset. Pretty simple stuff. In lab experiments a mouse can learn such adaptive behaviours exceptionally quickly. I do think your intelligence is at least at that level.

So you're saying its coincidence that you completely disappeared from all Carlton related threads for months on end? Seems a bit hard to believe if I'm honest.

Yep, I consistently get such requests until Chief has to come in and hand a Blue-endorsed time out.

Theres also this comment which clearly alludes to something of the sort.


All I'll ask before I put it behind me forever is this Meowbagger; If you know there's a great deal of Carlton fans in this very thread who consistently meet your involvement in the discussion with vitriol and animosity, why would you bother getting involved? You'd know this is what the result is going to be before you've even typed it out...

The thread is one of the most popular on the site and seems to run rather smoothly without your involvement, if the thread descends into petty insults and unrelated discussion every time you join in would it not be wiser for everyone involved to just do as Gordon Ramsay said and ** off? Seems to me like the easiest way to avoid another s* show.

Anyway you're more than welcome to stick around unless a mod tells you you're not... But I really just don't see why you'd bother if you know the Carlton contributors in the thread think you're a biased troll and will respond to you as such.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Who do you think had a better season?
Team A - finished 3rd on the ladder and won the flag
Team B - finished 1st on the ladder

We're better historically either way

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Your overall assessment of Acres is very fair, my opinion doesnt have him as high as you do but its not miles off. I would put him into the combo team ahead of Steele in 2025 no trouble. I don't agree with it making a big difference.

Acres aerial and defensive work is excellent. So is Sideys defensive side and aerial he is not as good but still impacts. He is very much the mid who gets back deep in defence and helps out. Always has. If you said this about the Daicos brothers, Pendles, De Goey or Mitchell I would agree but Sidey is our 2 way mid.

Examples of the aerial stuff would be if you look at his 300 game highlight package you will see a couple of defensive spoils are highlighted. One in the goal square against Geel with Darcy Cameron, Jeremy Cameron and Tom Hawkins. While its only 2 examples they are there because its something Sidey is regularly seen to do. I am not saying he is at Acres level aerially but it is a relative quality in his game. For his overall 2 way effect there is a highlight reel of his 2023 GF and its a typical Sidey game. He is frequently seen down back, intercepting, tackling and pressuring as well as the attacking side. I just think you have missed this quality in Sidey

Final point would be the tagging job, a new role for him, he did in the last 3 rounds of 24. He stifled Gulden, Neale and Viney significantly curtailing their impact while boosting his own output compared to the rest of the season by about 5 possies per game. I think that increase relates to the tagging role having put him back in the action more. But these outcomes don't come from players who dont have a strong defensive side to their game. The package below is the 2 way player we Pie supporters know

Sidebottom has been a fantastic player over his career, but going back to the original discussion on Acres vs Sidebottom, there's really not much of an argument for Steele to be picked ahead of him in 2025 in a combined 23.

Carlton fans will say Acres was better than him in 2024 (and the stats back that up), Pies fans will say Sidebottom was better due to his BnF finish and coaches votes etc... You're essentially left with a tie... But at 29 years old, Acres should have a few years of good footy left in him atleast. Sidebottom on the other hand is obviously on the decline given his drop off over the last few years and his age being well into his 30s.

Any sane individual is going to choose Acres in those circumstances.

 

[Mr Meow]

So you're saying its coincidence that you completely disappeared from all Carlton related threads for months on end? Seems a bit hard to believe if I'm honest.

Theres also this comment which clearly alludes to something of the sort.


All I'll ask before I put it behind me forever is this Meowbagger; If you know there's a great deal of Carlton fans in this very thread who consistently meet your involvement in the discussion with vitriol and animosity, why would you bother getting involved? You'd know this is what the result is going to be before you've even typed it out...

The thread is one of the most popular on the site and seems to run rather smoothly without your involvement, if the thread descends into petty insults and unrelated discussion every time you join in would it not be wiser for everyone involved to just do as Gordon Ramsay said and ** off? Seems to me like the easiest way to avoid another s* show.

Anyway you're more than welcome to stick around unless a mod tells you you're not... But I really just don't see why you'd bother if you know the Carlton contributors in the thread think you're a biased troll and will respond to you as such.

The thread consistently involves mockery, diminishing of arguments or credibility, petty insults and taunts. It runs like that 24/7. The only thing that sometimes changes when I get involved is a small handful of Blues throw a more exaggerated tantrum.

It really is as simple as ignoring my posts rather than replying to them. That way I am free to offer opinions on Carlton/Collingwood matters and people either discuss those points or they move on. The alternative is the off topic accusations of being biased, a troll, insincere and so on. When that happens of course the discussion moves away from football.

In other words, the ball is in yours and others courts. If you want it to descend into s**tfights that already occur, that can happen. If you want to contest football related opinions, that's fine too.

The melodrama is entertaining for a while but does get old.

 

[Mr Meow]

Sidebottom has been a fantastic player over his career, but going back to the original discussion on Acres vs Sidebottom, there's really not much of an argument for Steele to be picked ahead of him in 2025 in a combined 23.

Carlton fans will say Acres was better than him in 2024 (and the stats back that up), Pies fans will say Sidebottom was better due to his BnF finish and coaches votes etc... You're essentially left with a tie... But at 29 years old, Acres should have a few years of good footy left in him atleast. Sidebottom on the other hand is obviously on the decline given his drop off over the last few years and his age being well into his 30s.

Any sane individual is going to choose Acres in those circumstances.

I chose Acres too. I merely contested that there was a "huge gulf" in their 2023-2024 outputs or that choosing either in a merged team would make a massive, game changing difference. And also contested that Acres was a clear top 3 wingman in the comp. As well as Sidebottom's supposed incapacity for defensive running/assistance. I backed each of these statements up. Didn't once say Acres was worse than Sidebottom at this stage. Tantrums still ensued.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The thread consistently involves mockery, diminishing of arguments or credibility, petty insults and taunts. It runs like that 24/7. The only thing that sometimes changes when I get involved is a small handful of Blues throw a more exaggerated tantrum.

It really is as simple as ignoring my posts rather than replying to them. That way I am free to offer opinions on Carlton/Collingwood matters and people either discuss those points or they move on. The alternative is the off topic accusations of being biased, a troll, insincere and so on. When that happens of course the discussion moves away from football.

In other words, the ball is in yours and others courts. If you want it to descend into s**tfights that already occur, that can happen. If you want to contest football related opinions, that's fine too.

The melodrama is entertaining for a while but does get old.

5/6 of the top Carlton contributors have made their opinions on your posting style fairly clear in here over the last 24 hours. I think its naive to think your comments are going to result in any sort of quality football related discussion with said posters because of how you've acted in the past.

Personally I don't see a point in discussing anything footy related with someone who deems a posters comments 'invalid' due to the footy team they support. Especially when the thread is about that very footy team.

 

[Fadge]

Serious question. Would you have preferred to finish 9th but knock off Collingwood twice in the style we did to you and have Collingwood finish 8th and be tipped out of the finals in humiliating fashion . From the enjoyment of a season perspective.

I don't think they know what they'd prefer.

They're all over the shop.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

"Reasons" are what people on the other side of arguments call "excuses". "Excuses" are what peopel on the other side of an argument call "reasons".

and so on and so forth blah blah blah

And the "Reason" Carlton posters have to resort to "Excuses" all the time is because they're shit and they know it.

 

[Gone Critical]

Sidebottom has been a fantastic player over his career, but going back to the original discussion on Acres vs Sidebottom, there's really not much of an argument for Steele to be picked ahead of him in 2025 in a combined 23.

Carlton fans will say Acres was better than him in 2024 (and the stats back that up), Pies fans will say Sidebottom was better due to his BnF finish and coaches votes etc... You're essentially left with a tie... But at 29 years old, Acres should have a few years of good footy left in him atleast. Sidebottom on the other hand is obviously on the decline given his drop off over the last few years and his age being well into his 30s.

Any sane individual is going to choose Acres in those circumstances.

i agree, there isnt any great argument as to who to pick. I think it should be Acres

I was questioning the view that Sidey isnt a serious 2 way player in a similar mold to what Acres is. If you watch Sidey he has always tracked back deep into defence as a winger

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I don't think they know what they'd prefer.

They're all over the shop.

I'll take finishing above the Pies all day any day Fudgey.

Was nothing better than watching the Pies do everything they could in the last round of the year to get Nicky his 3 Brownlow votes only to find out he was still miles behind Big Crippa on the night. Was one of the most shameless displays of individual awards chasing I've ever seen... But I guess that's what happens when your playing dead rubbers to finish the year

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

i agree, there isnt any great argument as to who to pick. I think it should be Acres

I was questioning the view that Sidey isnt a serious 2 way player in a similar mold to what Acres is. If you watch Sidey he has always tracked back deep into defence as a winger

I agree. I think Acres is currently better defensively but Sidebottom has always been very accountable on both sides of the ball.

 

[Fadge]

Another that prefers to play the poster

Let's dissect your "analysis" of how we wouldn't bridge the 5 game gap

Carlton have done an amazing job at bridging the 5 game gap by increasing the number of games won from 12 to 13 to 13 over three seasons.

Impressive.