Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[RedStarUncle]

Im not aware of that gen x and millenials have not trended towards conservatism. Have you seen any data on that?

A quick bit of googling and the news stories seem to more specifically identify the trend with Gen Y rather than Gen X. I won't post the links because I'm sure you can search "are Gen Y becoming less conservative with age" and pick whichever articles you do and don't want to read.

I think the anecdotal explanation is that increasing conservatism with age comes with having more to protect so being less likely to want to see change to institutions. Millennials have had a harder time acquiring property, more senior jobs, wealth generally, and slower to start families and having smaller families... hence not making that shift.

I guess you could say with Gen X example that maybe the shift still occurs it just comes later in life than in the past.

All it comes down to... in any sense... is whether there is a real shift to left-wing politics leading to young males moving to the far-right as an act of rebellion, or whether young males are just being sold that message without there being any truth to it at all.

 

[RedStarUncle]

Way over valuing Sky News reach and underestimating social media

Agree... the right-shift of traditional media that is encapsulated by Murdoch occurred decades ago and it's effect is clear to see; the shift of traditional centre-left parties like ALP, Democrats, UK Lab, etc. so they basically now occupy the centre or centre-right at their core. Murdoch's agenda was basically a conservative one (with a neoliberal capitalist bent).

Social Media has been the tool by which extremist fringe views have been allowed to thrive. Various contributing factors have given a much bigger overflow of the right-fringe views into mainstream political discourse.

Murdoch has chased those fringe views rather than drive them.

 

[kickazz]

Usually young people are less conservative then older people

They still are.

It is the right that has the radicals now. Just look at what most conservatives (Brandis, Cheney, Howard) say about Trump

Conservatism, among other things, aims to conserve what we have, our institutions, values, etc.

A lot of the "economically left" things we have built up as part of the welfare state are accepted as the norm now and the Right want to smash it.

 

[kickazz]

Entitlement.

Fair opportunities for women and immigrants are making them work harder than previous generations of white men had to in order to get similar jobs.

They might just be the first generation to take a serious hit to the privilege/entitlement.


But to be fair, they may also be paying for the sins of the father. Being told how privileged you are whilst girls get more opportunities in certain areas (this does happen) probably pisses a lot of them off.


Also general ignorance about politics and the world. Tik tok generation is easily manipulated

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Microplastics

 

[QuietB]

The left is fixated on identity politics which doesn't make young men feel represented at all. If you're a young white cis hetero male with 'privilege', what does the left do for you?

Not much actually

My answer would be that young men have been seduced by the right wing persecution complex which frankly is running rampant.

Can anyone name a right wing figure who is not a perennial sook?

 

[QuietB]

Micropenis'

EFA

 

[StingBitten]

I believe these issues transcend age and are far more environmental, underpinned by an echo chamber of lopsided perspectives.

As a social worker in a Child Protection office with 100 females to every 1 male employee, I encountered narratives about men that were frankly alarming - understandably the work was incredibly challenging and staff were removing kids into care, mostly from men perpetrating severe DV against their partners. But many female workers views became collectively more extreme.. such as narratives formed that 'all men are evil', every Father is guilty/useless/liars, boys are poisoned, Tate and alt-right and should be partitioned from society. These views spilled into some fairly alarming toxic behaviour in the office.

I then moved to a Prison setting where most of the staff were Men, and it was similar yet different. The men believed women were given a leg-up into roles they weren't qualified for, suggested women were entitled, likely to make complaints at the drop of a hat, severely hypocritical, gossipy and not to be trusted.

Both groups operated in this echo chamber of perspectives- and paradoxically both groups had very little interaction with staff members of the opposite sex.

Fast forward to now, I run my own thing and have 10 female staff and 10 male staff. Relationships are strong and built on trust, completely balanced. It's not easy and we all have to work on it, try and walk a mile in someone else's shoes etc.

I think our micro-communities or lack thereof inform much or this stuff. The media machine feeds into the extremes because it suits itself financially to do so.

 

[Jables]

Shit parenting.

But more seriously, the increased social acceptance of non-serious identity politics is obviously a factor. People are ****ing stupid, they will vote against their best interests. Look at any "I split my ticket" post on American social media, they are either talking about stuff like egg prices under the assumption that any change is definitely good for egg prices, or leftist prioritisation of racial justice. Obviously not everyone is white, that doesn't mean identity politics bullshit isn't effective on them. Talk to enough young people and you'll definitely see that.

The economical and cultural reasons to support left wing politics over right wing politics are not immediately obvious to an idiot, in Australia the LNP are absolutely going to get voted in over house prices at some point even though it's obvious they won't do anything about them.

 

[Sphynx]

More right wing from which political perspective?

Most on this board are far left green voters, so probably consider young labor voters “right wing”

 

[Egg Boy]

Found this finding staggering. Usually young people are less conservative then older people (for numerous economic and cultural reasons). And this is still true of females. However, this poll asking australians whether they would support trump or not finds that not only do young men not support trump comfortably less then older men (as I would expect based on history), but they in fact support Trump more than older men. And quite comfortably. It appears gen z males are unusually right wing compared to older generations.

Why is this the case? Who/what is to blame for this? Is this a blip or the new norm?

Troubling split emerges in Australia over Trump

The gender divide in politics is a sleeper issue in Australia, with men and women — particularly young people — moving apart in profound and polarising ways, as opinions of the upcoming US election show.

www.abc.net.au

Higher T Levels.

Testosterone Administration Induces A Red Shift in Democrats

 

[kickazz]

But aren't testosterone levels declining in Gen Y and Z?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The left is fixated on identity politics which doesn't make young men feel represented at all. If you're a young white cis hetero male with 'privilege', what does the left do for you?

The only war that matters is the class war.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Nobody wants to work anymore.

 

[kickazz]

Nobody wants to work anymore.

Interesting. Please elaborate?

 

[Celebrity 101]

Maybe us young men are finally standing our ground and fighting back after being demonised for decades.


Maybe when leftists and their anarchist groups push narratives that ‘all men can’, that men are rapists, misogynists, toxic, hateful of women - that us men grow tired of you tarnishing us and spitting bs that is totally not true.


It’s ok to be a young male, but we are all told that we can’t be young men. Being masculine is demonised, instead young males are encouraged to castrate themselves, don’t gym, rid yourself of any testosterone and wear jorts, bedsheets and croc tops.

There are some scumbag males out there but hey guess what there are some shitty young women out there too. No man justifies the scummy actions of others yet we’re tarnished all by the same dirty cloth.

Trump, Bukele, Tate bros, Rogan, Tucker - young men resonate with them because they don’t rip at the fabric of being a man every chance they can get like others do. And we will continue to tune in and vote the way we do until you stop denigrating us

 

[Markfs]

Maybe us young men are finally standing our ground and fighting back after being demonised for decades.


Maybe when leftists and their anarchist groups push narratives that ‘all men can’, that men are rapists, misogynists, toxic, hateful of women - that us men grow tired of you tarnishing us and spitting bs that is totally not true.


It’s ok to be a young male, but we are all told that we can’t be young men. Being masculine is demonised, instead young males are encouraged to castrate themselves, don’t gym, rid yourself of any testosterone and wear jorts, bedsheets and croc tops.

There are some scumbag males out there but hey guess what there are some shitty young women out there too. No man justifies the scummy actions of others yet we’re tarnished all by the same dirty cloth.

Trump, Bukele, Tate bros, Rogan, Tucker - young men resonate with them because they don’t rip at the fabric of being a man every chance they can get like others do. And we will continue to tune in and vote the way we do until you stop denigrating us

I agree with some of this, as an old man. Ironically, I scan the right-wing rupert media site news.com.au on a regular basis and its startling how negative the site is with its assessment of men in general. I know the site is bottom of the barrel but that's why is has an effect. The "woke" agenda makes no exceptions or excuses. It allows no alternatives.

 

[RedStarUncle]

Maybe us young men are finally standing our ground and fighting back after being demonised for decades.


Maybe when leftists and their anarchist groups push narratives that ‘all men can’, that men are rapists, misogynists, toxic, hateful of women - that us men grow tired of you tarnishing us and spitting bs that is totally not true.


It’s ok to be a young male, but we are all told that we can’t be young men. Being masculine is demonised, instead young males are encouraged to castrate themselves, don’t gym, rid yourself of any testosterone and wear jorts, bedsheets and croc tops.

There are some scumbag males out there but hey guess what there are some shitty young women out there too. No man justifies the scummy actions of others yet we’re tarnished all by the same dirty cloth.

Trump, Bukele, Tate bros, Rogan, Tucker - young men resonate with them because they don’t rip at the fabric of being a man every chance they can get like others do. And we will continue to tune in and vote the way we do until you stop denigrating us

Who is telling you all of this? Like really... who?

And I don't mean when you go online and look for stuff designed to make you angry. I mean who... in real life?



Surely if everything you see in here on the internet and through media is telling you that's the world you live in... but then you walk out your front door and don't see any of it... that's reason to question why you're being spun a story of a world that doesn't really exist?

 

[Blue1980]

It goes hand-in-hand with the fact than GenX and GenY have not trended towards conservatism as they age to the same extent that previous generations have.

The now middle-age-group is less conservative than ever, and it's making being right-wing more "rebellious" than ever. The right for the youth is an active rebellion against then norm, not an act of conservatism.

It’s like the whole premise of Family Ties in the 80s

 

[adammania9]

Methinks their politics will have to loosen up as they get married or exposed to women, because the expectations of their brand of traditional masculinity are going to see them ostracised if they persist with them.

Is this an implication that all conservative men have absolutely zero standards and will take whatever woman they can get?

This idea that people should not or do not engage with people not on their same wing of politics is extremely uncommon. Those stubborn enough to actually go through with it and only surround themselves with those that echo the same beliefs are not worth the time anyway.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Nobody wants to work anymore.

I love my work, but there are a number of things I love more than it.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Not these days, they don't.

Methinks their politics will have to loosen up as they get married or exposed to women, because the expectations of their brand of traditional masculinity are going to see them ostracised if they persist with them.

That, or we're going to see a spate of the messiest divorces ever in around 20ish years.

It's also a thing where some young men choose to reject polite society for a bit. Some will persist with it - countercultures exist for a reason - but most mature out of it, when the 'opt in' forces of capitalism and wider society make their marks on those boys.

I think you make a generalization regarding women and what they are seeking in relationships here that is incorrect. Women, like men, seek all sorts of different things in relationships. Some seek an even power base with even power base, while plenty of others don't. Some seek traditional marital roles and are quite happy, others seek to be the dominant force in the marriage.

I've often said that relationships are the social organ that most similarly mimics the complexity of the brain. There are no two the same, nor is there any magic formula to make them successful, because this relies on the intricacies of each individual their relationship with themselves, their experiences, their goals etc etc.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

These young males grew up watching Telly Tubbies

Bluey will sort the next generation, they should be well balanced.

 

[Blue1980]

I agree with some of this, as an old man. Ironically, I scan the right-wing rupert media site news.com.au on a regular basis and its startling how negative the site is with its assessment of men in general. I know the site is bottom of the barrel but that's why is has an effect. The "woke" agenda makes no exceptions or excuses. It allows no alternatives.

News sites like Murdoch press like to play up the woke stuff as being more prevalent and extreme than the reality. It gets clicks and views.

Also left leaning parties have fallen into the trap of serving the same or similar corporate interests to the right but think they can get some daylight between them and the further right leaning parties by leaning majorly on culture war issues.

It’s a losing game, in the culture wars the right always win.

You need to come up with politics for the working class and general population to get behind.

But that is probably reading too much into it. Reasons why young men would like trump is he seems fun and is in with the online bro crowd.

If you gave them a list of policies they’d prefer they would be majority left leaning, aside from immigration. But they’d want more taxes for wealthy, less for them, health care, things to make it easier to get into the housing market etc.

 

[Markfs]

News sites like Murdoch press like to play up the woke stuff as being more prevalent and extreme than the reality. It gets clicks and views.

Also left leaning parties have fallen into the trap of serving the same or similar corporate interests to the right but think they can get some daylight between them and the further right leaning parties by leaning majorly on culture war issues.

It’s a losing game, in the culture wars the right always win.

You need to come up with politics for the working class and general population to get behind.

As I said in my post, "ironically" the murdochs are using the woke issues...and i know everything is for clicks.

As for your comment on working class, I think everyone wants to be rich and successful on their own terms. I dont think class issues attract young folk. Probably been brain washed out of them. If Trump can project himself as a protector of the working class and a large percentage of young men agree, then I question whether young men are thinking at all