Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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[Carringbush2010]

there you go again
I don't wish for a dystopia

Well your posting certainly give the impression that you're looking for offence to go on a rage.

Just about every poster you've argued with on these boards suggests that's the impression you give.

Convince us all you're not, we'll wait.

you pretending nothing major is happening is what leads to that shit though

Never said, suggested or alluded any such things. I've clearly stated these problems are not an existential threat to society on a broad scale.

you don't want to deal with until you think its a big enough risk and as far as I can tell unless you personally are impacted you wont think its big enough

And how would you like me to 'deal' with it? What do I do as Joe public to stop the riots in UK, educate the unwarranted fear merchants that 'islam is gonna take over! Run to the hills'?

"just a small group nothing to worry about"

Again, you're using hyperbole to what I've said, I've never said, suggested or alluded that it's 'nothing to worry about'.

I've clearly stated, infinitum, that fringe groups, like hard core violent islamists are not an existential societal threat. Never said they aren't a problem.

I'm gonna get off your merry go round, you give the impression you think there's neo nazis living on every street corner.

Which is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Just about every poster you've argued with on these boards suggests that's the impression you give.

You realise that's a minuscule minority of BigFooty members yeah?

 

[Carringbush2010]

You realise that's a minuscule minority of BigFooty members yeah?

Probably because of the ridiculousness of the posting.

 

[Total Power]

Here is the list of all terror attacks in the UK:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

Which one of them was by an 'illegal'?

You're saying they pose a 'significant threat' when most of the attacks I'm seeing come from people in the UK legally (mostly by people born there).

Prove to me this risk these 'illegals' pose.

I only checked from 2010 onwards, from your example vast majority of these attacks are committed by Islamists. The rest by white supremacists. If you think Neo Nazism and white supremacist idelogies are a problem (which is the case as i suffered myself as well and i have spoken about extremist genocidal Christian **** history and KKK in the Christian thread and no one called me a racist!!!!!!) and condemn this, why can't the other be condemned? Given the disproportionate representation of Islamists in those numbers as a percentage of population, why shouldn't it worry people?

The number of foiled attacks below proves my point as well. It's a disproportionate representation.

And yet in Bangladesh Hindu homes and business', lives are burnt and decimated (nothing new, going on for about 50 years) and it doesn't make the news. This won't sell.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It’s raining again!

 

[evolved2]

It’s raining again!

Some posters here are complete clowns. Imagine being more offended by misgendering than burqas.

 

[Gralin]

Some posters here are complete clowns. Imagine being more offended by misgendering than burqas.

What does this mean?

 

[Gethelred]

It's not doing anything, it's pointing the reality of society.

Dude, you don't have a grasp of reality. You have a single point of perception of it, shaped by your own experiences. The idea that a single person can accurately grasp/depict the entirety of the society around them is so far beyond absurd it's funny.

No, what you have are a series of assumptions based upon your own experiences and what you see in your day to day.

I know you don't like it, not much anyone can do about it.

Also:



Also, if your next post here - a supposed rebuttal - contains the phrase "Quote where I said that" or "That's just your perception", I get BF bingo.

 

[evolved2]

What does this mean?

The priorities and politics of some are strange.

Some people pretend to care about womens rights, but their politics says otherwise.

 

[Chief]

The priorities and politics of some are strange.

Some people pretend to care about womens rights, but their politics says otherwise.

You can hold opinions about different issues at the same time.

 

[bzparkes]

True, I guess Saudi Arabia, Iran and China have sat on the UN human rights and women's rights councils respectively, after all.

 

[Gralin]

The priorities and politics of some are strange.

Some people pretend to care about womens rights, but their politics says otherwise.

So you think getting offended by clothes is pro woman but using correct pronouns is anti woman?

 

[evolved2]

So you think getting offended by clothes is pro woman but using correct pronouns is anti woman?

No. I think both are pro-women and Islam is misogynistic.

Do you think Islam is pro-women and pro-LGBT?

 

[Gough]

No. I think both are pro-women and Islam is misogynistic.

Do you think Islam is pro-women and pro-LGBT?

Not too many religions are.

 

[Gralin]

No. I think both are pro-women and Islam is misogynistic.

Do you think Islam is pro-women and pro-LGBT?

Wait so you think getting offended by clothes is pro woman?

I'm not really interested in your whataboutism until we've gotten to the bottom of why you think people should be more offended by clothing than misgendering someone.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Some posters here are complete clowns. Imagine being more offended by misgendering than burqas.

Calling them nazis is not misgendering. Did you quote the wrong post?

 

[Gralin]

No. I think both are pro-women and Islam is misogynistic.

Do you think Islam is pro-women and pro-LGBT?

Oh I've got a second part to this for you.

Who does targeting the burqa negatively impact?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Dude, you don't have a grasp of reality.

Oh and everyone else does? You do? I can't possibly? Ok then, do tell of how Armageddon our society is.

No, what you have are a series of assumptions based upon your own experiences and what you see in your day to day.

No, what I have is real conversations and interactions with people out in the public in daily life, like most people do. From those experiences for the overwhelming most part these people aren't neo nazis, violent islamists, racists, homophobes or general pos.

Most people in the society I live are generally peace loving and respectful of their fellow humans, not the aholes that are portrayed as the norm like it is in here.

The 'assumption' that society is on the brink of societal wide anarchy from fringe minority groups is ridiculous and simply not credible.

Instead posting irrelevant 'alt right' videos (I assume you're tryna portray me as somehow some dumb naive right winger, well lol), how about give us some evidence that the fringies are taking over.

IF it were true that society is rotting on a broad scale to dystopia at warp speed then what we've seen in the UK would be happening everywhere all the time.

How people can't see this is mind boggling.

 

[Gralin]

Oh and everyone else does? You do? I can't possibly? Ok then, do tell of how Armageddon our society is.

No, what I have is real conversations and interactions with people out in the public in daily life, like most people do. From those experiences for the overwhelming most part these people aren't neo nazis, violent islamists, racists, homophobes or general pos.

Most people in the society I live are generally peace loving and respectful of their fellow humans, not the aholes that are portrayed as the norm like it is in here.

The 'assumption' that society is on the brink of societal wide anarchy from fringe minority groups is ridiculous and simply not credible.

Instead posting irrelevant 'alt right' videos (I assume you're tryna portray me as somehow some dumb naive right winger, well lol), how about give us some evidence that the fringies are taking over.

IF it were true that society is rotting on a broad scale to dystopia at warp speed then what we've seen in the UK would be happening everywhere all the time.

How people can't see this is mind boggling.

Explain again how this isn't you doing exactly this

No, what you have are a series of assumptions based upon your own experiences and what you see in your day to day.

 

[Gethelred]

Oh and everyone else does? You do? I can't possibly? Ok then, do tell of how Armageddon our society is.

... I genuinely do not understand the full degree to which you've just missed the point. Wow.

No-one does. No-one can. We are limited by the two sets of eyes we possess and the single position and set of experiences with which we view and judge the world around us.

Tell me, why do you think we have newspapers? TV? Film? Camera? Writing at all, if we all possess universal perspectives capable of envisioning everything around them holistically? Why do we have society at all - need other perspectives at all - if we have such perfect vision and memory?

This is just so revealing, Carringbush2010!

No wonder you can't seem to get certain things through your head! Your default position is that you see reality completely for what it is and assume that's all there ever was.

No, what I have is real conversations and interactions with people out in the public in daily life, like most people do. From those experiences for the overwhelming most part these people aren't neo nazis, violent islamists, racists, homophobes or general pos.

Most people in the society I live are generally peace loving and respectful of their fellow humans, not the aholes that are portrayed as the norm like it is in here.

****ing see!

You have anecdotes; individual viewpoints from a single corner of the world and believe them to be the whole kit and kaboodle. No wonder you're continuously butting up against perspectives you dislike.

The 'assumption' that society is on the brink of societal wide anarchy from fringe minority groups is ridiculous and simply not credible.

This is something you're arguing with someone else about. Go and argue that with them, not at me.

Instead posting irrelevant 'alt right' videos (I assume you're tryna portray me as somehow some dumb naive right winger, well lol), how about give us some evidence that the fringies are taking over.

Your posts are examples of the rhetorical techniques depicted in both videos. That you don't like that is not my problem.

IF it were true that society is rotting on a broad scale to dystopia at warp speed then what we've seen in the UK would be happening everywhere all the time.

... which is rhetoric, built from a single perspective insulated willingly by assumptions built on other assumptions.

God, no wonder you're so protective of your views! They're a ****ing jenga tower, waiting to collapse the second you are forced to renegotiate something or receive new information.

How people can't see this is mind boggling.

... because your default position is that you perceive reality perfectly as it is. No nuance required: that's it.

God, but I feel better now. You make a good deal more sense than you did prior to this conversation.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Explain again how this isn't you doing exactly this

It was in the post you replied to, here it is again in case you missed it

No, what I have is real conversations and interactions with people out in the public in daily life, like most people do. From those experiences for the overwhelming most part these people aren't neo nazis, violent islamists, racists, homophobes or general pos.

So yeah from my 'experiences', so that means my experience doesn't count, how dare I use my experiences to explain my view of society.

But yeah I'll concede, I can't possibly be right, coz my house is burning down around me and there's nazi skin heads beating up an old black woman out the front and there's a beheading at the servo across the road from a jihadi extremist.

Happens all the time, there you go, you're right I'm wrong, you've got your reality. Hope you're happy, but you being you that's unlikely. Oops sorry, not allowed to have a view. I'll retract.

 

[Gralin]

It was in the post you replied to, here it is again in case you missed it

No, what I have is real conversations and interactions with people out in the public in daily life, like most people do. From those experiences for the overwhelming most part these people aren't neo nazis, violent islamists, racists, homophobes or general pos.

So yeah from my 'experiences', so that means my experience doesn't count, how dare I use my experiences to explain my view of society.

But yeah I'll concede, I can't possibly be right, coz my house is burning down around me and there's nazi skin heads beating up an old black woman out the front and there's a beheading at the servo across the road from a jihadi extremist.

Happens all the time, there you go, you're right I'm wrong, you've got your reality. Hope you're happy, but you being you that's unlikely. Oops sorry, not allowed to have a view. I'll retract.

No you're not using your experience to explain your view of society you're using your experience as the reality of society

And you're telling everyone who doesn't share your view they're delusional

 

[Gethelred]

But yeah I'll concede, I can't possibly be right, coz my house is burning down around me and there's nazi skin heads beating up an old black woman out the front and there's a beheading at the servo across the road from a jihadi extremist.

Happens all the time, there you go, you're right I'm wrong, you've got your reality. Hope you're happy, but you being you that's unlikely. Oops sorry, not allowed to have a view. I'll retract.

God, no wonder you're so protective of your views! They're a ****ing jenga tower, waiting to collapse the second you are forced to renegotiate something or receive new information.

 

[Carringbush2010]

... I genuinely do not understand the full degree to which you've just missed the point. Wow.

No-one does. No-one can. We are limited by the two sets of eyes we possess and the single position and set of experiences with which we view and judge the world around us.

Tell me, why do you think we have newspapers? TV? Film? Camera? Writing at all, if we all possess universal perspectives capable of envisioning everything around them holistically? Why do we have society at all - need other perspectives at all - if we have such perfect vision and memory?

This is just so revealing, Carringbush2010!

No wonder you can't seem to get certain things through your head! Your default position is that you see reality completely for what it is and assume that's all there ever was.

****ing see!

You have anecdotes; individual viewpoints from a single corner of the world and believe them to be the whole kit and kaboodle. No wonder you're continuously butting up against perspectives you dislike.

This is something you're arguing with someone else about. Go and argue that with them, not at me.

Your posts are examples of the rhetorical techniques depicted in both videos. That you don't like that is not my problem.

... which is rhetoric, built from a single perspective insulated willingly by assumptions built on other assumptions.

God, no wonder you're so protective of your views! They're a ****ing jenga tower, waiting to collapse the second you are forced to renegotiate something or receive new information.

... because your default position is that you perceive reality perfectly as it is. No nuance required: that's it.

God, but I feel better now. You make a good deal more sense than you did prior to this conversation.

Mate I get, my experience isn't valid.

FTR you replied to me tryna tell me that I'm assuming 'reality perfectly' (which I don't, that's how you've perceived my view) everything based on my experience, which in your book obviously doesn't count. So you picked the argument not me.

And no I don't think it's 'the whole kit and kaboodle' or assume 'that's all there ever was' (again an incorrect interpretation from you).

And no it's not about 'like' or 'dislike', (again an incorrect interpretation from you).

As for the media, it is sensationalized, designed to raise hyperbole to get attention, that's their job. If you gobble it up the way it's portrayed then you've been sucked in.

So yeah, I'll stop engaging with you and the dystopian. No need to reply coz my 'experiences' aren't valid.

 

[Gethelred]

First of all...

FTR you replied to me tryna tell me that I'm assuming 'reality perfectly' (which I don't, that's how you've perceived my view) everything based on my experience, which in your book obviously doesn't count. So you picked the argument not me.

Mate I get, my experience isn't valid.

I really don't think you do. If you did, you would not behave the way you do on this forum as far as your certainty is concerned.

FTR you replied to me tryna tell me that I'm assuming 'reality perfectly' (which I don't, that's how you've perceived my view) everything based on my experience, which in your book obviously doesn't count. So you picked the argument not me.

... I mean, yeah. I've pointed out that this is your position, and it's revealed you rather completely.

And no I don't think it's 'the whole kit and kaboodle' or assume 'that's all there ever was' (again an incorrect interpretation from you).

Seriously, do you have to keep just giving me Bingo? It takes some of the fun out of it.

And no it's not about 'like' or 'dislike', (again an incorrect interpretation from you).

Sigh. I suppose you do.

As for the media, it is sensationalized, designed to raise hyperbole to get attention, that's their job. If you gobble it up the way it's portrayed then you've been sucked in.

I know. I should really look specifically to you for the truth, shouldn't I.

So yeah, I'll stop engaging with you and the dystopian. No need to reply coz my 'experiences' aren't valid.

Look, we're off topic now anyway. Your Jenga tower is safe...