Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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[10571z]

Yeah a genocide happening right now is exactly the same as you being afraid of white people becoming a minority in the UK in some future that shows no indication of ever happening

Well Islam is rising in the UK. So where does it cap out? 10%? 40%

 

[CM86]

Nobody cares about the alleged advantages of white people other than progressives.

You mean inequality.

Yeah I'd say pushing for equality is a tenet of progressivism.

 

[evolved2]

C'mon, be honest. Does this line up with any part of your thoughts at the moment:

You think it's currently an echo chamber in this thread. And you could easily refute everything being posted, but you're just bein' a bit o' a larrakin.​

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You know there's not point actually engaging with me or the others in this thread, because were just too ideologically captured. It's not worth wasting your energy.​

We're too busy calling everything racist or Islamophobic, to be able to have an actual discussion.​

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My wife is south Asian, I'm a bisexual white atheist, and I think the SRP is completely full of shit. You guys are so ****ed at the next election!

You're one of the few good ones. Sorry.

 

[CM86]

Well Islam is rising in the UK. So where does it cap out? 10%? 40%

Why not just spin the dice, baby?

You're not one of those people who argues against climate change action, are you?

 

[CM86]

My wife is south Asian, I'm a bisexual white atheist, and I think the SRP is completely full of shit. You guys are so ****ed at the next election!

You're one of the few good ones. Sorry.

I know that, but C'mon... some of what I just wrote definitely lines up with what you're thinking.
You've a lovely wife, you're bi so I'm in with a chance and you're happily married.


But Cmeoen..

C'mon, be honest. Does this line up with any part of your thoughts at the moment:

You think it's currently an echo chamber in this thread. And you could easily refute everything being posted, but you're just bein' a bit o' a larrakin.​

​

You know there's not point actually engaging with me or the others in this thread, because were just too ideologically captured. It's not worth wasting your energy.​

We're too busy calling everything racist or Islamophobic, to be able to have an actual discussion.​

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[Gralin]

Well Islam is rising in the UK. So where does it cap out? 10%? 40%

Again why the fixation on the UK specifically?
What's different about the UK to other western democracies?

 

[Gralin]

My wife is south Asian, I'm a bisexual white atheist, and I think the SRP is completely full of shit. You guys are so ****ed at the next election!

You're one of the few good ones. Sorry.

And you're planning on voting ON ahead of the greens to own lefties on the internet

 

[10571z]

Again why the fixation on the UK specifically?
What's different about the UK to other western democracies?

Ok Germany, Uk, Sweden?

Feel free to answer.

 

[evolved2]

You mean inequality.

Yeah I'd say pushing for equality is a tenet of progressivism.

I tend to think you're a bunch of morons tbh.

 

[Gralin]

Ok Germany, Uk, Sweden?

Feel free to answer.

You want me to predict decades into the future what the demographics of a country will look like?

Different to what it looks like today somewhat.

 

[evolved2]

And you're planning on voting ON ahead of the greens to own lefties on the internet

That's your interpretation, not mine.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

My wife is south Asian, I'm a bisexual white atheist, and I think the SRP is completely full of shit. You guys are so ****ed at the next election!

You're one of the few good ones. Sorry.

This looks a lot like identity politics.

 

[Gralin]

That's your interpretation, not mine.

Oh no it's not
You literally wrote it on a previous page

You won the internet. Congratulations.

I generally vote against politicians more than for them. Progressives seem particularly dumb in 2024, so I'll place the Greens below One Nation next time around.

 

[evolved2]

This looks a lot like identity politics.

Stop flirting. You're not my type.

 

[Chief]

Why converse with these lunatics Trump has flogged the leftists nut jobs in the USA, Canada are doing the same, Europe will be far right before you know it

So you are happy for Europe to have far right governments?

 

[evolved2]

Oh no it's not
You literally wrote it on a previous page

I meant what I posted. It's gonna hurt if you cant win me (and those like me) over.

 

[CM86]

I tend to think you're a bunch of morons tbh.

Exactly, right?


You could easily refute everything I've posted. Every point I've made. Every argument attempted to substantiate.

But there's not point, because I'm too stupid and ideologically captured in my far left echo chamber thingy.

So, even though you KNOW you could easily and effectively walk all over my points. Replying with lols, and avoiding engagement is better, because it's just too much of a waste of time.
And I'm in the lefty progressive religion cult, so you couldn't help me even if you tried.

Right?
Something along those lines.

The other one is that you know you can't actually refute my points at the moment. But you know I'm wrong, and it's just a matter of time before you realise how wrong I am, and can then crush my position.




But, what if I'm actually not wrong. What if I've spent time studying, researching and understanding these topics.
Just in regards to where the focus should be in terms of reducing the growth of Islam, and extremism, without punishing fellow humans?

 

[evolved2]

So you are happy for Europe to have far right governments?

The pendulum swings both ways.

 

[Gralin]

I meant what I posted. It's gonna hurt if you cant win me (and those like me) over.

And when I said you generally take the opposite position on here of anyone you consider progressive regardless of what you've previously said I meant it.

You contradict yourself frequently and obviously cannot or don't bother keeping track of what you've said previously.

You're not interested in being won over to my side, you've told me you think im a disgusting sexist with horrible politics

But you do like to suggest it's my fault that you'll vote against your own families interests at the next election because then it won't be your fault

 

[evolved2]

Exactly, right?


You could easily refute everything I've posted. Every point I've made. Every argument attempted to substantiate.

But there's not point, because I'm too stupid and ideologically captured in my far left echo chamber thingy.

So, even though you KNOW you could easily and effectively walk all over my points. Replying with lols, and avoiding engagement is better, because it's just too much of a waste of time.
And I'm in the lefty progressive religion cult, so you couldn't help me even if you tried.

Right?
Something along those lines.

The other one is that you know you can't actually refute my points at the moment. But you know I'm wrong, and it's just a matter of time before you realise how wrong I am, and can then crush my position.




But, what if I'm actually not wrong. What if I've spent time studying, researching and understanding these topics.
Just in regards to where the focus should be in terms of reducing the growth of Islam, and extremism, without punishing fellow humans?

Why would you want to reduce the growth of Islam?

 

[10571z]

Why would you want to reduce the growth of Islam?

yep im also very confused by this statement

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Why would you want to reduce the growth of Islam?

I would want to reduce the growth of Islam because i don't agree with the philosophy.
I would hope to achieve it by convincing people it sucks.
I would take the same approach to Nazi ism.

 

[CM86]

I meant what I posted. It's gonna hurt if you cant win me (and those like me) over.

I think the problem is, that for most progressive and activists. Probably white, probably middleclass or higher, probably straight. Those are not the demographics that will be hurt if these fairly radical extremists get into power across the world.

Your wife, friends, kids etc.
Even you as a bisexual man.

You are the demographics that could get hurt.


We shouldn't have to 'win' you over.
Your position shouldn't have much if any impact from us. It should come from the people you love and care about.

 

[evolved2]

And when I said you generally take the opposite position on here of anyone you consider progressive regardless of what you've previously said I meant it.

You contradict yourself frequently and obviously cannot or don't bother keeping track of what you've said previously.

You're not interested in being won over to my side, you've told me you think im a disgusting sexist with horrible politics

But you do like to suggest it's my fault that you'll vote against your own families interests at the next election because then it won't be your fault

I don't blame you for anything.

I do think you're sexist and racist, and I fully intend to vote against your type of politics. Strangely enough, I don't see you as a bad person. Your intentions seem pure enough.

I never vote against my families interests.

 

[CM86]

Why would you want to reduce the growth of Islam?

yep im also very confused by this statement

You're unable to ever actually read the posts.


No, I'm not OK with 51% for two reasons.
1. I think Islam is one of the most barbaric religions, currently. Which makes it an incredible tool for radicalisation.
2. I'm against religion in general.
That's why I'm more in favour of inclusiveness, acceptance, education, and the creation of systems and structures that not only protect us from religious extremism, but also inhibits religious growth in general.

Guys, c'mon.

This is why I ask you to actually read my posts.