Why the majority of Carlton Fans are Angry!!

[Barry Zuckercorn]

Why don't the pro-Fev trade nuffies realise it will be much harder to win a flag without Fev ???

You could be celebrating a flag as we speak CP.

 

[blues4flag]

Public opinion on this forum suggests otherwise, Alpha. Most of us aren't resorting to empty threats but I'd prefer to see Fev in a Navy Blue jumper next season.

 

[ratten7]

To ratten7: Ummmm ... 1 player does not make a "culture". Are we saying that our young players are all stupid morons that can't see that Fev's example is NOT the one to follow?

To ASMS:

1. The fact that clubs are run as businesses and don't give a sh*t about grass roots supporters is something that makes those supporters angry on a regular basis. It seems that it's OK when that "business mentality" causes something you agree with?
2. Fev was at the Brownlow representing the CFC, but his "crimes" were committed at the after-party. He acted like a fool while in the employ of Channel 9 NOT the CFC.
3. Why can't we blame the media? Their habit of instructing all and sundry on what is "acceptable" behaviour is sanctimonius bullsh*t. And this point contradicts your previous point about the "brand". Who is making judgements about and pushing criticisms of the brand if not the media?
4. Fevola was a "tool" when he arrived at the club, 10 years on he's still a moron! But then you go on to say his "outstanding" performance this year glosses over previous misdemeanors. Well, what is it, has his approach improved or not? I would say there's no doubt whatsoever that his onfield performance/attitude has improved markedly in recent times. Thus proving he can take criticism on board and change his ways.
5. Fev sober, is a character and a loveable one, no-one denies that. Fev drunk is a major problem, no-one denies that. Seems there's a solution in there somewhere.
6. Appeasing the media ... See point 3
7. Our midfield polled almost as well as the Saints' in the Brownlow, suggesting that it's almost as good. If Kruezer/Waite/Setanta could rotate through the forward line, it could only be stronger with Fev there and would be the equal of any in the comp. With Jamison and Waite in the team, our backline was top 3 or 4. Considering that the team as a whole had room to improve on this year, I'd say that made our premiership window 2 - 3 years at worst.

And if he doesn't go, well, it'll be an interesting experience for all of you now-Fev-haters to be cheering him when he's back out there doing what he does best in the navy blue.

Yep there is a solution, Put him up for Trade you Dolt. Wake up Bluey, get off the Ganja!.And yes one man doesn't make a culture , he was a big part of it he has also been described as a cancer around the club, with his influence on others and lack of discipline,He was also part of 3 woodem spoons and . The problem is we haven't been able to stop it for the last ten years.
How about we all stand behind Carltons decision and tell the world we wont put up with that childish drunken bullshit behaviour. Carlton I Salute U!

 

[Bluebear]

90% of posters on here have made numerous fat jokes about Whitnall. Forgetting that Fev was drunk, perhaps we could say that he was just doing it 'the Carlton way' by emulating supporters?

That's pretty much the euivalent of the pressure point gag. He took the piss....Judd copped it and laughed it off......again, and again and again......but its the reaction of Fev when Juddy finally walked away that they bleeped out which I found very poor.

This is his captain. He showed, after having some very drunk fun, a nasty edge that was disturbing. Basically, Juddy didn't want to humour Fev anymore so Fevvy reacted in much the same way a child does and he turned on the object of his fun........and attacked him verbally.

Who knows, maybe later in the night it went further.

As someone posted in another thread.........what they saw fit to put to air was bad enough.......what about all the stuff they couldn't show?

Given the standards of TFS, to not be able to show something is pretty bad.

I suspect we will never know exactly what happened......at least until Fev writes a tell all book, or Nathan Brown does an exclusive for ACA for some extra cash next year.........maybe Libba will do the opener on TFS next year again.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I suspect we will never know exactly what happened......at least until Fev writes a tell all book, or Nathan Brown does an exclusive for ACA for some extra cash next year.........maybe Libba will do the opener on TFS next year again.

Not far off. From what I hear he's already bought the crayons.

 

[thylacine60]

Not far off. From what I hear he's already bought the crayons.

That's a ripper, your Regal Eminence.

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

Thats only 80%,
The only people that matter are the people who actually made the decision and if they are happy with it, so be it........I dont think it will be as doom and gloom without fev as you think

Time will tell I guess

Good point Mokum. Barry Hall is no Fevola but he was their key forward. Sydney played some of their best football after he left.

IMO if the Pies take him it will be a waste of a pick. We arent in the big four. Adelaide was very unlucky not to win. IMO we need a gun in and under midfielder that can win his own ball. Fev would be twiddling his fingers without our mids winning the clearances whenever we played Hawthorn, and the other three and maybe even you guys without Fev.

 

[blue gunslinger]

To ratten7: Ummmm ... 1 player does not make a "culture". Are we saying that our young players are all stupid morons that can't see that Fev's example is NOT the one to follow?

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Cloke Betts and Garlett were stupid morons and on the eve of the finals
they are very lucky not to have been given the boot

 

[DamianBis]

I suspect we will never know exactly what happened......at least until Fev writes a tell all book, or Nathan Brown does an exclusive for ACA for some extra cash next year.........maybe Libba will do the opener on TFS next year again.

I don't think fev can remember what happened. lol

 

[OldBlueFan]

Yep there is a solution, Put him up for Trade you Dolt.

Nice work, resort to ad hominem rants when you run out of arguments. How exactly does putting him up for trade solve his drinking problem?

Wake up Bluey, get off the Ganja!

Haven't smoked for about 10 years laddy and have never been a drinker.

And yes one man doesn't make a culture , he was a big part of it he has also been described as a cancer around the club, with his influence on others and lack of discipline

Thanks for agreeing with me, but who exactly "described" him thus? And obviously you think that our young players ARE stupid?

He was also part of 3 woodem spoons and .

and ... what exactly? Did you run out of insults? You're going to blame him for the 3 spoons now? Any chance it was a poor choice of coach, or a lack of draft picks to replace retired stars? Oh forget it, that's probably Fev's fault too!

The problem is we haven't been able to stop it for the last ten years.

And in all that time, I haven't read or heard anything about the massive attempts to do so. If the club is concerned about their image out there, you'd think they would want to advertise their proactive, caring, diligent approach to helping players with off-field issues; escpecially ones as visible as Fev's.

How about we all stand behind Carltons decision and tell the world we wont put up with that childish drunken bullshit behaviour.

That "behaviour" is not ours to "put up with" or not, it's not like he was in your house at the time. So in what way did it affect you? (other than to get your judgement juices flowing?)

Carlton I Salute U!

And others don't, maybe they prefer not to see things in quite such black & white terms?

 

[blue gunslinger]

Nice work, resort to ad hominem rants when you run out of arguments. How exactly does putting him up for trade solve his drinking problem?


Haven't smoked for about 10 years laddy and have never been a drinker.


Thanks for agreeing with me, but who exactly "described" him thus? And obviously you think that our young players ARE stupid?


and ... what exactly? Did you run out of insults? You're going to blame him for the 3 spoons now? Any chance it was a poor choice of coach, or a lack of draft picks to replace retired stars? Oh forget it, that's probably Fev's fault too!


And in all that time, I haven't read or heard anything about the massive attempts to do so. If the club is concerned about their image out there, you'd think they would want to advertise their proactive, caring, diligent approach to helping players with off-field issues; escpecially ones as visible as Fev's.


That "behaviour" is not ours to "put up with" or not, it's not like he was in your house at the time. So in what way did it affect you? (other than to get your judgement juices flowing?)


And others don't, maybe they prefer not to see things in quite such black & white terms?

I think the CFC have spoilt Fev for long enough
The crap on the field like taking his boots off and gesticulating to the coaches box in itself would have cost most players their jobs. Forget his off field stuff. It is only an issue when it hampers his performances eg on the turps the week before a rnd 1 game. What he displays on the park is just as disgraceful. Every coach I have ever played in would have ripped me to shreds. It is a shame nobody has ever done this to Fev because once you are sorted out properly you never repeat the same blunder.
Proactive caring - massaging over inflated egos more like it
Athletes need discipline. Diet,work outs, behaviour,game day
Sound body sound mind
without one you cannot have the other
Stop treating them as bloody gods

 

[OldBlueFan]

Cloke Betts and Garlett were stupid morons and on the eve of the finals
they are very lucky not to have been given the boot

*sigh* ... so now we're going to start giving players the boot for their FIRST indiscretion ... our "culture" is getting better all the time!

Is it only me, or do others see the logical end to all of this super-nanny approach to football (and life in general)?

 

[blue gunslinger]

*sigh* ... so now we're going to start giving players the boot for their FIRST indiscretion ... our "culture" is getting better all the time!

Is it only me, or do others see the logical end to all of this super-nanny approach to football (and life in general)?

not at all - I think the club dealt with the situation well
my point was the players themselves WERE morons for doing what they did. Not very professional and considering someone like Cloke was playing for his future completely stupid!
For a player to consider doing that shows we need a stronger more disciplined culture
With all due respect it is not a super nanny approach but the difference between a sportsperson and a success. Obviously you cannot relate to this!

 

[PeeKay]

I will list these reasons in point form. Feel free to add to them.

1) The Carlton Football Club is a FOOTBALL club. It is not a church group. It is not a family group. It is a club that is in the business of winning football games for its members and supportes. It is not here to provide moral guidance. It is not here to make money above what is needed to finance the football operations. It is not here to be a pillar of society and to act as a social concience for all those involved with the club. It is here to WIN football games!!

2) Brendan Fevola embarrased himself on Brownlow night. He did not embarras the football club. He did not commit a criminal offence. He got drunk, carried on like a bit of an idiot but at the end of the day he did nothing that will see him hauled before the courts. Fev did what many people do on a weekend, and had one too many, and as a result would of woken up with a sore head in the morning. Thats where this should of ended.

3) The media's agenda this last week has been dispicable. There whole focus has been on blowing this so far out of proportion and in essense trying to force Carlton to make a media driven decision. For Carlton to succumb to the Herald Sun dribble is what irks us supporters most.

4) The joy this has given opposition supporters. Everyone can see plain as day this is going to have a detrimental affect on our onfield performance. Publicly those outside the club are saying Carlton must make a stand, enough is enough etc etc. Privatly they are just hoping to get there grubby little hands on the best goalkicker in the comp and are prepared to take this so called baggage that comes attatched. If Fevola is such a liability, why would any other club want to touch him. Is he all of s sudden a different person?? I'll tell you why.. He is a matchwinner, he is in the top couyple of forwards in the comp, and we are just punishing ourselves by making this stand. His onfield efforts have been nothing short of outstanding and thats why this club exists, for onfield performance!!!!!

5) Does anyone actually believe that having a character at a football club is such a bad thing. To those who have been involved at a football club let me ask you. Does what someone does on a weekend actually affect how you prepare yourself for training...for games..especially when that person is one of the most professional people when it comes to the football side of things you would want to find. On top of this people gravitate to him, he provides comaraderie. He provides that spark. He is the X factor that cant be replaced

6) To those saying this is Carlton FC and not Fevola FC. What a load of crap. Of course it is Carlton fc, we all know that. Our frustration stems from teh fact the prime function of Carlton ( i.e winning games ) has been put in 2nd place to satisfy the media, and other so called factions in society.

7) And finally we have been through 7 years of crap, and with the recruitment of Brock Mclean, the hopefully full season out of Warnock our premiership window officially opened next season. It has now been slammed shut!! We have let the agenda of the media, opposition supporters and social commentators dictate what is best for our onfield fortunes. Why the f@ck do we care what other teams think?? Carlton exists for its fans. The fans want success. We couldnt give a rats toss if Fev occasionally drinks too much on a weekend. That is his issue and as long as it doesnt affect his onfield performance ( which it hasnt ) then what does it matter as long as he is not doing anything totally illegal.

Over and out!

Over 40,000 members and you have this great insight to suggest that over half of them believe Fevola has been dudded and should be kept at the club.
The man is bigger than the club? Now that's an interesting concept that all sports clubs should take notice of!!!

 

[OldBlueFan]

not at all - I think the club dealt with the situation well
my point was the players themselves WERE morons for doing what they did. Not very professional and considering someone like Cloke was playing for his future completely stupid!
For a player to consider doing that shows we need a stronger more disciplined culture
With all due respect it is not a super nanny approach but the difference between a sportsperson and a success. Obviously you cannot relate to this!

Your point is one thing, what you said was "they are very lucky not to have been given the boot". Suggesting that you would have understood such an action. That's what prompted my response.

You seem to think that these guys made a conscious decision ("For a player to consider doing that") to drink too much, have a big night and end up late for training. I prefer to think that they just got carried away on the night. Only time will tell if they learn from their mistake. Personally I have some faith in them and think that they will. Which will in turn defeat the "Fev's a bad influence" argument.

 

[OldBlueFan]

I think the CFC have spoilt Fev for long enough
The crap on the field like taking his boots off and gesticulating to the coaches box in itself would have cost most players their jobs. Forget his off field stuff. It is only an issue when it hampers his performances eg on the turps the week before a rnd 1 game. What he displays on the park is just as disgraceful. Every coach I have ever played in would have ripped me to shreds. It is a shame nobody has ever done this to Fev because once you are sorted out properly you never repeat the same blunder.
Proactive caring - massaging over inflated egos more like it
Athletes need discipline. Diet,work outs, behaviour,game day
Sound body sound mind
without one you cannot have the other

I'm pretty sure Denis Pagan was a coach with this mind-set, I didn't see the club (or Fev) advance much under his guidance.

Fev's on-field performance was almost flawless this year. I think that's been proven with his 4th place in the B&F (in an era where midfielders get ALL the attention). Obviously the MC thought pretty highly of his on-field "professionalism". So anything he got up to off the field clearly didn't have too negative an impact on his success. Therefore, if you claim that success comes from a particular pattern of behaviour, you are suggesting that Fev's was the right one and for all we know, maybe it is for him.

And my point about helping him with his problem, is not to molly-coddle him, but to actually help him. I believe there are ways to help people overcome addictions.

Stop treating them as bloody gods

I prefer to treat them as humans and accept that they make mistakes, sometimes many. The "get rid of him" crowd seem to want to treat Fev like a dog "ah, this one's rabid, we have to put him down".

 

[The Coach]

Though I would have conveyed some points in a different manner, this thread is spot on.

Clearly not all supporters are bothered by this decision - that in itself is a bit worrying, and if we fail to make finals next year, I wonder what they will all be saying.

This bloke is largely the reason we have watched the shit we've displayed over the years, and as soon as something younger and better comes along in Judd and the number 1's, we turn our backs and kick him out the door.

Despite how good people think we've been this year, we finished 7th. The Hawks, and the Eagles are 2 teams that are likely to improve a lot on this year - we are not guaranteed finals.

It is pathetic that supporters barrack for Melbourne, make fat jokes about a past captain and former number 1 midfielder, yet want to take the moral high ground because Fev has had a few too many beers on occasion over the years

The club can also not expect that supporters pay for their memberships, stick by the club through its dark period, and then turn a blind eye when they decide to get rid of our most important player (Just when our premiership window finally has opened)

The decision will likely set us back after we've already spent years at the bottom, and while Fev may not be liked by all, for a great number of supporters he is their favorite player.

It's not something that we can be expected to just blindly throw our support behind with the current information on hand.

ppg - clearly thinks the club has been the offender (I cannot believe the degree of misrepresentation in the first bolded quote)

I would say that supporters need to show faith from time to time. It seems to me that there has to be more to this than a bunch of suits getting their knickers in a knot over Fev being a tool at the Brownlow.

If he did something more than we know, then I suspect there will be leaked rumours after trade week. The club publicly will say 'no comment' as it is unprofessional to discuss details, unless Fev starts a media war.

Right now however, is not the time to discuss details IF there is more to discuss as it might affect his trade value. We have to leave open all possibilities.

OldBlueFan - please read ODN and consider that there could be more to it than you know about. Sometimes it is best for parties to go their separate ways ala Cousins

 

[yeah-nah]

Always loved the Fev.

 

[juddsentant517]

Always loved the Fev.

I honestly just gagged, if i saw that on a football field that will definently be the 1st time i'll cry that would be football related
I have followed this football club only in shit times, only once have i seen u make the 8 in my 7 year span as a carlton supporter from a 8 year old. We get so close to an opening of a premiership window, leading us on is a guy who want us to get there more than anybody, and we kick him out and slam it shut. So he is a tool, so he made a fool of himself. I honestly could not care less, I don't want to lose my favorite player, the man i idolise. I want to see this man acheive what he has been aiming for, for 10 years. He deserves it more than anybody. The man has a drinking problem, and kicking him out won't do shit and benefit anybody, let try to fix the problem that he has, trading him doesn't acheive anything. It makes me feel ick that the board are disrespecting the fans in that they don't care about our opinions, i respect the opinions on people that want him to leave, but the man is a deadset superstar, who has carried the club on its knees for so long, and we have such little options up forward. To give away our dead set superstar disgusts me!

 

[DamianBis]

I honestly just gagged, if i saw that on a football field that will definently be the 1st time i'll cry that would be football related

**** you're a stronger man than me.

I cried when we got eliminated against brisbane.

I cried when i heard judd was coming to carlton (happy cry)

I cried when i heard pagan was sacked. (again happy)

I cry when we lose to essendon

 

[Bee]

I am ****ing ropable about this! The way the club has handled it is a total **** up!
If Fev has been sacked for what was a stupid drunken episode then it is a complete over reaction. If he has been sacked because there have been other incidents behind the scenes that the club had covered up then as a member I am totally disillusioned and angry with the club. As members we should be entitled to know what the whole story is.

It seems to me the club is more worried about sponsorship than loyal members.

I have been a member of this club for years. Doesn't my support, passion, love, devotion and not to mention money, mean anything to them?
I am so pissed off with this decision and the way it has been handled I have written a letter to the club stating those facts and telling them that if Fev goes so too does my membership! And I know of a lot more people who have decided the same!

Oh yeah, I can't wait to see Fev kicking goals for some club we all hate. That will really top off the shit we've all had to endure for the last 7 years or so.
We live through the worst nightmare in the history of this great club and now they treat us like this.

Totally, utterly and completely pissed off! I've had enough.

Do you think Dick would have made this decision? He'd be fuming right now!

 

[Cathryn]

OMG that would kill me I saw his debut game on NYE against this mob and he was a champion then and he is a champion now. I always cry when they lose and when they win I am in heaven . Dick would be spinning in his grave at a champion of Carlton being treated with such disdain.
Wherever you go champion your years at Carlton will be spoken about me with nothing but huge adulation at your incredible talent.
Crap this photo makes me feel ill

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

OMG that would kill me I saw his debut game on NYE against this mob and he was a champion then and he is a champion now. I always cry when they lose and when they win I am in heaven . Dick would be spinning in his grave at a champion of Carlton being treated with such disdain.
Wherever you go champion your years at Carlton will be spoken about me with nothing but huge adulation at your incredible talent.
Crap this photo makes me feel ill

I bet you don't feel as sick as the young waitress he molested at the Brownlow. He's lucky he hasn't been charged with sexual assault.

Get a grip people. There's more to it than has been reported in the media, and there's reportedly been other match-preparation-related issues simmering away in the background for a while now. He's had enough warnings and enough chances.

Yes it'll hurt to see him kicking goals for someone else, but let's all remember we're not yet aware of what we'll get for him. Not one of the top 4 sides this year had a Fev-type player, so he's not indispensable.

The people who run our great club know more about this caper than anyone posting on this board, so let's trust their judgement.

 

[sherb]

I am ****ing ropable about this! The way the club has handled it is a total **** up!
If Fev has been sacked for what was a stupid drunken episode then it is a complete over reaction. If he has been sacked because there have been other incidents behind the scenes that the club had covered up then as a member I am totally disillusioned and angry with the club. As members we should be entitled to know what the whole story is.

It seems to me the club is more worried about sponsorship than loyal members.

I have been a member of this club for years. Doesn't my support, passion, love, devotion and not to mention money, mean anything to them?
I am so pissed off with this decision and the way it has been handled I have written a letter to the club stating those facts and telling them that if Fev goes so too does my membership! And I know of a lot more people who have decided the same!

Oh yeah, I can't wait to see Fev kicking goals for some club we all hate. That will really top off the shit we've all had to endure for the last 7 years or so.
We live through the worst nightmare in the history of this great club and now they treat us like this.

Totally, utterly and completely pissed off! I've had enough.

Do you think Dick would have made this decision? He'd be fuming right now!

He is being traded because it was publicly said that one more alcohol related incident and that was it. If there is more to it than meets the eye, the club probably doesn't want to make the reasons public - for good reason I would think.

People are in place to make decisions for a good reason, either we trust them to do so or we let the lunatics run the asylum. Or should they be running referendums each time they make a significant decision?

In modern day football, like it or not, significant sponsorship is needed, membership/gate receipts, etc isn't enough. And while that is the case, sponsors will have a say, which I would probably want too if I was pouring money into a football club. We can't have it both ways.

If people want to jump off as members, so be it. They are only actively hurting the club they love by doing so however and giving the impression that they consider an individual player to be bigger than the club. I'll keep my membership and will proudly do so, irrespective of whether Fevola goes or stays.

And don't sell Dick short, he was loyal but he was also shrewd. I think he would have certainly been ****ed off at Fevola for letting him down. And he wouldn't have been beyond taking this action in my view, because he would have considered the bigger picture (unlike many of our supporters).

 

[sherb]

I bet you don't feel as sick as the young waitress he molested at the Brownlow. He's lucky he hasn't been charged with sexual assault.

Get a grip people. There's more to it than has been reported in the media, and there's reportedly been other match-preparation-related issues simmering away in the background for a while now. He's had enough warnings and enough chances.

Yes it'll hurt to see him kicking goals for someone else, but let's all remember we're not yet aware of what we'll get for him. Not one of the top 4 sides this year had a Fev-type player, so he's not indispensable.

The people who run our great club know more about this caper than anyone posting on this board, so let's trust their judgement.

I reckon there would be an embarrassing percentage of our supporters who would support Fevola irrespective of what he may have done or how many other unreported issues there may be.

Apparently kicking goals supersedes everything.