TAS Will a team go to Tassie

[Rich01]

Except they're not. Brisbane turned a profit this past year, and it's been proven that GWS are a net benefit to the AFL, since the TV value of the 9th game is about $50-60m and GWS receive less than $25m in distributions from head office. Brisbane are in debt from years of accumulated losses, but they're on the upswing and starting to pay that off (or they were before Covid-19).

I hope you realise my post was tongue in cheek, as that idea is just as outrageous and unlikely as your proposal I responded to.

I’m keen to understand some of the facts you have quoted In the above post though.

I thought Brisbane made another loss last year? Looking at the teams reports, I didn’t actually realise that the AFL gave Brisbane as much money as Gold Coast in their distribution. Is the -13m listed under assets Brisbane’s existing debt?

I’m also interested in your valuing on the ninth game as a $50-$60m benefit each year. Where did you get this number from?

Viewership was up for tv audiences as a whole in 2019, but there’s a stark difference in tv audiences for clubs. Some are holding up the average while there are 3-4 that are significantly lower (and they include the clubs you believe are adding great value to the comp through this additional ninth game).

Averaging around 100k national viewers each game 22 times a season (this is what the lower drawing clubs are averaging) isn’t worth $50m-$60m for broadcasters in advertising revenue, so I’m not sure where you see the additional value coming from.

 

[deltablues]

Would the players like to live in Hobart?
Hobart does not seem big enough.

Your 19 year old son, with no qualifications at all other than being blessed with skills which make him a good footy player, is offered $300,000.00 pa contract to live in Hobart for a year or so, to play AFL.

He rejects it.

"Why did you nix that, son? Good money, and it's a stepping stone".

"Hobart's too small, Dad".

"OK, son" the father never said...

 

[Freomaniac]

Is Geelong big enough? They're not that different.

If thats the case you might as well have an AFL team in Mandurah in WA. Mandurahs population is only 80,000 but can draw support from the Perth CBD.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I hope you realise my post was tongue in cheek, as that idea is just as outrageous and unlikely as your proposal I responded to.

I’m keen to understand some of the facts you have quoted In the above post though.

I thought Brisbane made another loss last year? Looking at the teams reports, I didn’t actually realise that the AFL gave Brisbane as much money as Gold Coast in their distribution. Is the -13m listed under assets Brisbane’s existing debt?

I’m also interested in your valuing on the ninth game as a $50-$60m benefit each year. Where did you get this number from?

Viewership was up for tv audiences as a whole in 2019, but there’s a stark difference in tv audiences for clubs. Some are holding up the average while there are 3-4 that are significantly lower (and they include the clubs you believe are adding great value to the comp through this additional ninth game).

Averaging around 100k national viewers each game 22 times a season (this is what the lower drawing clubs are averaging) isn’t worth $50m-$60m for broadcasters in advertising revenue, so I’m not sure where you see the additional value coming from.

Brisbane did make a profit last year but jonnie bananas forgot to mention that they also have debt well above ten million as well his the first to always talk about other clubs debt and Tasmania being unviable but forgets that Brisbane’s cash position is as bad as any club the guy is a strait up troll just ignore him

 

[Freomaniac]

Except they're not. Brisbane turned a profit this past year, and it's been proven that GWS are a net benefit to the AFL, since the TV value of the 9th game is about $50-60m and GWS receive less than $25m in distributions from head office. Brisbane are in debt from years of accumulated losses, but they're on the upswing and starting to pay that off (or they were before Covid-19).

Stupiid move to merge Brisbane and GWS.

Brisbane made finals for the 1st time in 10 years and have a young side that might give them a 4-5 year run of finals.

GWS made the grand final and 2 prelims in the last 4 years. They now have 30,000 members

 

[Rich01]

Brisbane did make a profit last year but jonnie bananas forgot to mention that they also have debt well above ten million as well his the first to always talk about other clubs debt and Tasmania being unviable but forgets that Brisbane’s cash position is as bad as any club the guy is a strait up troll just ignore him

I thought their final position for 2019 was $200k in the red. Notwithstanding $23m of AFL support for the year and a debt over $13m.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Zero chance, the AFL will lose a large proportion of supporters of whatever club ‘moves’ (gets folded) and only gain a similar amount back from Tasmania (if that). All that at the cost of setting up a team over there.
Only reason a club will ever be lost is if the AFL can’t save them.

Move the team with the least crowds to Tassie. Problem solved

 

[Aussie in exile]

AFL won't be able to afford to expand for a decade minimum in terms of a club built from scratch.

I would say 2 decades

 

[Aussie in exile]

The Giants tried to upgrade Manuka Oval to 19,000 a few years ago, which is still too small for AFL, and the Manuka community shut it down. Manuka Oval is too small (and likely always will be) and too inconvenient.

The AFL should be lobbying the ACT Government to ensure the new Civic Stadium has an oval configuration. It's planned to be central, a 25,000-30,000 capacity and, most importantly, undercover. Very important in the Canberra winter!

A new stadium is a 30-year-plus investment, so the AFL needs to get in before it's too late. It should combine its lobbying with Cricket Australia dangling a potential BBL side for the city. They've hosted a few games at Manuka Oval, too, but I doubt 13,500 would be big enough for a primary BBL team home venue.

Have GWS ever sold out a game at Manuka Oval

 

[Aussie in exile]

I think Canberra would be a good option what makes it hard is gws are really relying on the support they get there at moment they would be unsustainable if that got taken from them for at least the next 10-15 years

If the AFL put a club in Canberra that's GWS finished

 

[HTT]

Move the team with the least crowds to Tassie. Problem solved

Again, when you consider the loss of support of the team vs gained support of a Tasmanian team it won’t happen. Many Tasmanians still support football, and it certainly gets thrown around that they wouldn’t support another team transplanted in Tassie, they want their own, and fair enough too.

 

[madmug]

Move the team with the least crowds to Tassie. Problem solved

Melbourne?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Have GWS ever sold out a game at Manuka Oval

They sell it out most games they get much better support in Canberra then western Sydney that’s for shore that’s why it’s bizarre when gws supporters like the general giant call for them to leave Canberra it would be a terrible move!

 

[Freomaniac]

If the AFL put a club in Canberra that's GWS finished

Nah.....

If the AFL brings a team to Canberra, why would the GWS team be finished?

Theres like 2-3 million people living in the GWS area

 

[Supercoach Bargain]

Game plan to relocate AFL side to Tassie

The state government's plan to home a Victorian AFL side in Tasmania is a strategy to seek out...

www.examiner.com.au

The Saints get a mention.

 

[Capriati]

Game plan to relocate AFL side to Tassie

The state government's plan to home a Victorian AFL side in Tasmania is a strategy to seek out...

www.examiner.com.au

The Saints get a mention.

Only read the headline, but I'm board.

Sounds like a great idea.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Nah.....

If the AFL brings a team to Canberra, why would the GWS team be finished?

Theres like 2-3 million people living in the GWS area

The handouts they get for playing there
Also there might be 2 to 3 million living in the GWS area and they might have 30,000 members, but the fact remains they couldn't sell out there GF allocation

 

[Freomaniac]

The handouts they get for playing there
Also there might be 2 to 3 million living in the GWS area and they might have 30,000 members, but the fact remains they couldn't sell out there GF allocation

Thats Irrelevant.

You dont understand what the AFL wants. They AFL will pump money into GWS to let it be like the Sydney swans.

Swans have been in Sydney since 1982 and despite being poorly run in the early 1990s, Had some supporters. Yeah you had the bandwagoners when they made finals in 1986-7 when they had Warwick Capper as a spear head.

They got another set of Bandwagoners from 1996-98 when they made finals off the back of Tony Lockett.

Swans Have had a decent fan base from 1996-2019 because they made finals 20 times out of 24 years.

Your not looking at GWS fan base in 5 years down the track, your looking at it 20-25 years down the track

 

[AstonSouffle]

The handouts they get for playing there
Also there might be 2 to 3 million living in the GWS area and they might have 30,000 members, but the fact remains they couldn't sell out there GF allocation

Do you not understand the point of GWS? It's success is absolutely not measured by crowd numbers. By the time those come you'll be wishing that was all it was about because they'll be massive once they're up and running in a few decades.

Also if that is a metric that's worth while then surely Melbourne fails that as well?

 

[Freomaniac]

I would have thought Tasmania’s Best chance in the near future would be to offer a pile of dough for the Gold Coast Suns licence. Surely given the current climate the AFL would be tempted to turn a money pit into a profit.

As it stands now, there are 5.1 million people living in Queensland. 2,5 million live in Brisbane, 700,000 of them live in Gold Coast.


AFL is not going to back out and pull the plug on the suns. The grass root numbers have doubled in the last 10 years in Queensland.

Theres only 250,000 people living in Hobart.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Thats Irrelevant.

You dont understand what the AFL wants. They AFL will pump money into GWS to let it be like the Sydney swans.

Swans have been in Sydney since 1982 and despite being poorly run in the early 1990s, Had some supporters. Yeah you had the bandwagoners when they made finals in 1986-7 when they had Warwick Capper as a spear head.

They got another set of Bandwagoners from 1996-98 when they made finals off the back of Tony Lockett.

Swans Have had a decent fan base from 1996-2019 because they made finals 20 times out of 24 years.

Your not looking at GWS fan base in 5 years down the track, your looking at it 20-25 years down the track

As it stands now, there are 5.1 million people living in Queensland. 2,5 million live in Brisbane, 700,000 of them live in Gold Coast.


AFL is not going to back out and pull the plug on the suns. The grass root numbers have doubled in the last 10 years in Queensland.

Theres only 250,000 people living in Hobart.

Continually pumping $25 million a year to not even tread water is not a good business plan, and again i refer you back to the fact the despite supposedly having 30,000 members GWS couldn't sell out their GF allocation.

 

[fargothegreat]

As it stands now, there are 5.1 million people living in Queensland. 2,5 million live in Brisbane, 700,000 of them live in Gold Coast.


AFL is not going to back out and pull the plug on the suns. The grass root numbers have doubled in the last 10 years in Queensland.

Theres only 250,000 people living in Hobart.

Tasmania has a population of 500,000. The Gold Coast has an estimated population of around 600,000. I bet there's a hell of a lot more footy fans in Tassie though.

 

[fargothegreat]

Gutwein's comments in recent days about relocation being an option is definitely a change of tact from the original messaging of 'we want to be team number 19'.

Pretty strong indicator that the AFL has said that's not an option any more, unfortunately

 

[Demon bhoy]

Continually pumping $25 million a year to not even tread water is not a good business plan, and again i refer you back to the fact the despite supposedly having 30,000 members GWS couldn't sell out their GF allocation.

I’m not sure what figure GWS received above the normal AFL distribution but I doubt it’s 25 million, and they are hardly treading water, it appears they are growing in almost every metric year on year.

Not selling their GF allocation isn’t a good indicator of member numbers, not everybody would be in position at a days notice to buy tickets get on a plane and book accommodation, the fact they had as many people at the games as they did was a big effort

 

[Tassie Rock]

As it stands now, there are 5.1 million people living in Queensland. 2,5 million live in Brisbane, 700,000 of them live in Gold Coast.


AFL is not going to back out and pull the plug on the suns. The grass root numbers have doubled in the last 10 years in Queensland.

Theres only 250,000 people living in Hobart.

I also believe there are a few people in Shanghai (24 million) yet they got under 10,000 people to the game last year. Doesn't matter how many live there if they aren't interested. Queensland's main winter sport is still Rugby, so comparing it to Tasmania on population where AFL is the main winter sport isn't really being fair, but I suspect you already realise that. AFL will and should continue to put money into Queensland and NSW to grow the sport and I doubt they will be profitable without AFL funds for some time to come. There a lot of clubs that are only profitable due to the AFL funds, but then again AFL fund is got off the back of the competition. They are able to demand more money in sponsorship and TV rights if they have Teams playing out of Queensland and NSW. I would just argue that Tasmania could be more profitable than a lot of clubs if granted the same amount of AFL Cash. Tassie will probaly have the some player retention issues initially as well, especially if they relocate a club. They would need special access to the States junior Talent. I'm not sure that given the current environment the AFL will be in a rush to add more Teams and given their experience in the past, not sure how keen they will be to relocate one to Tassie either. I think they missed a trick when they brought in GWS and GC. I think they should have brought in a Tassie team and GWS at that time. I think Queesnland could have done with more time to consolidate under Brisbane. But it's done now, so I imagine Tassie will have to continue waiting.