Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Pandemic Declared - Part 2

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yebiga said:
No one has suggested that pneumonia Has ceased. Ffs.
A pandemic requires a statistical demographic confirmation which after 4 months has yet to be provided.

Rather, the models which triggered the pandemic have all been revised down to something near the flu.
The tests are flawed and data is being collected inconsistently.

in short, we know batshit.
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Something near the flu? Disagree completely.

www.abc.net.au

What makes coronavirus worse than the flu?

No, coronavirus is not 'just like the flu'. Here's why.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

www.vox.com

Coronavirus is not the flu. It’s worse.

Learn more about the differences between coronavirus and the flu, and why we have to take Covid-19 so seriously.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

www.sciencealert.com

No, Coronavirus Isn't 'Just Like The Flu'. Here Are The Very Important Differences

Aches and pains, sore throat, fever – although they may feel similar to those suffering from their symptoms, the novel coronavirus is not the same as the seasonal flu, experts stressed Wednesday.
www.sciencealert.com www.sciencealert.com

www.thenewatlantis.com

Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like

It’s about the spike.
www.thenewatlantis.com www.thenewatlantis.com

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wexnermedical.osu.edu

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

What makes COVID-19 so much more dangerous than the flu is that there’s no vaccine and no natural immunity in the world, meaning everybody is susceptible.
wexnermedical.osu.edu wexnermedical.osu.edu
 

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RudyBlue said:
What would it take for you to be proven wrong?

Or are you never wrong?
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rational explanations
clear plans with milestones
clear explanation of the test limitations
Mass random tests
encourage exercise and good nutrition
mental health dangers of isolation
Less hysteria

That’s a start.
unfortunately, scientists remain human - and so are subject to flaws. Science is subject to errors and therefore good science needs skeptics to ensure robust conclusions.

snake baker seems to have forgotten the heart of science is to challenge a hypothesis.
His ego like many of those in the spotlight is influencing their judgement.

Those now defending this policy are incoherent because they are not presenting any consistent argument - except fear of the unknown - and this is the very essence of religion not science.
 
Mofra said:
Something near the flu? Disagree completely.

www.abc.net.au

What makes coronavirus worse than the flu?

No, coronavirus is not 'just like the flu'. Here's why.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

www.vox.com

Coronavirus is not the flu. It’s worse.

Learn more about the differences between coronavirus and the flu, and why we have to take Covid-19 so seriously.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

www.sciencealert.com

No, Coronavirus Isn't 'Just Like The Flu'. Here Are The Very Important Differences

Aches and pains, sore throat, fever – although they may feel similar to those suffering from their symptoms, the novel coronavirus is not the same as the seasonal flu, experts stressed Wednesday.
www.sciencealert.com www.sciencealert.com

www.thenewatlantis.com

Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like

It’s about the spike.
www.thenewatlantis.com www.thenewatlantis.com

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wexnermedical.osu.edu

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

What makes COVID-19 so much more dangerous than the flu is that there’s no vaccine and no natural immunity in the world, meaning everybody is susceptible.
wexnermedical.osu.edu wexnermedical.osu.edu
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Mofra darling check the Uk government NHS site. Even the Yoda Dr Fauci has revised his numbers

us government surveillance reports counter all your citing.
 
Les Malone said:
Yes, but its quite an important part of his study and backs up assertions that plenty of people have, its not like he is alone either.

But according to posters here taking him at his word is believing in some religious fanaticism.

Its bizarre, there are plenty of well credentialed professionals who believed right from the start that this was an over hyped, over zealous over the top approach based not on facts but fear.
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There are certainly plenty of experts with a variety of points of view- that’s good.

There’s still plenty we don’t know. A lot will get proven wrong, some will be right.

Just be intellectually honest with what they’re putting forward.

Bhattacharya was cautious with his conclusions and outlined his uncertainties.
 
yebiga said:
Mofra darling check the Uk government NHS site. Even the Yoda Dr Fauci has revised his numbers

us government surveillance reports counter all your citing.
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The hospitalisation rate? The requirement for resources? The states bidding against each other for PPE to protect frontline workers?

No, it doesn't. This isn't 'just like the flu' for a whole host of reasons, including the lack of available vaccine, the asymmetric symptom time lapse difference and the hospitalisation rate.

As much as everyone wishes it was 'just the flu', it isn;t for a whole host of reasons and we have clear evidence that shows it isn't. Only ideologues refute the overwhelming evidence to deny this.
 
yebiga said:
Mofra darling check the Uk government NHS site. Even the Yoda Dr Fauci has revised his numbers

us government surveillance reports counter all your citing.
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The UK Office for National Statistics actually reports deaths from coronavirus are 50% higher than those reported by the Department of Health. There's news reports abound of under reporting of deaths, so wouldn't be blowing a horn about that. Much will come out in the wash.

Most of the serological research I've seen puts the mortality rate at between 0.2-1.0. So that's at best twice as deadly as the flu, at worst 10 times as deadly. Those figures, unlike influenza, incorporate the most unprecedented global response to a virus we've ever seen. Give the R0 will inflate with falling mortality rates, you can see why this virus is far deadlier than seasonal flu without intervention.
 

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Monkey King said:
The UK Office for National Statistics actually reports deaths from coronavirus are 50% higher than those reported by the Department of Health. There's news reports abound of under reporting of deaths, so wouldn't be blowing a horn about that. Much will come out in the wash.

Most of the serological research I've seen puts the mortality rate at between 0.2-1.0. So that's at best twice as deadly as the flu, at worst 10 times as deadly. Those figures, unlike influenza, incorporate the most unprecedented global response to a virus we've ever seen. Give the R0 will inflate with falling mortality rates, you can see why this virus is far deadlier than seasonal flu without intervention.
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Yep true, UK not reporting old age home or Nursing home deaths. They are only reporting hospital deaths. According to the scientists, UK deaths should be higher by atleast 50%
 
yebiga said:
And many more leading economists disagree. Loads of leading scientists claim the whole thing is a hoax. Hordes of Leading doctors claim the restrictions are over-kill.
All these headlines - use the cover of authority to avoid detailing a coherent position.

The models have been wrong, the tests remain faulty and hospitals are empty. All of that is undeniable.

Now, I realise how disturbing this might be for people but experts and governments do get things wrong. Confronted by something new - that's quite excusable, what is not excusable and what is much harder for people to do is to confess they made a mistake. This is where we are at.

To sustain the isolation and batshit hysteria requires only fear - no argument - as none is available - just fear and accusing non-believers of callousness.

Isolationists v Deniers
Deniers: Point to wrong modelling, dramatically lowered revised modelling, faulty tests, insufficient tests, empty hospitals, mortality demographics...
Isolationists: Fear & accusations of callousness - no scientific, statistical or evidentiary arguments - appeals to experts who only rely on fear
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Could you give loads of links to the hordes of scientists and doctors?
 
douglyzia said:
Ehh, I'm used to it. I post my opinion, someone gets upset and abuses/insults me or posts a completely nonsensical/irrational reply, I respond, then I get thread-banned.
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Yeah, fair enough. It absolutely sucks, but that's just how some people are. They lose sight of the ball and start playing the man.
 
RudyBlue said:
Mofra’s put forward sources.

Show us yours and you’ll be treated with the same respect.
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No you will not - Les, I and others have provided you guys with ample sources - what follows after the cognitive dissonance is denial, abuse and amnesia.
The curve is flat - the hospitals are empty - what is the plan?
Forget whether I am a conspiracy nut or some leading god figure said it could get worse or some tragic anecdote - WHAT IS THE PLAN?

Over the last few decades, we have seen the normalisation of exaggerating anecdotal evidence, supported by tragedy, augmented by fear and endorsed by some johnny come lately expert. This is anatomy of PC argumentation and the COVID hysteria is its final extreme manifestation.

Of course, it is essential that there is a grain of truth to the construction of the facade. One or other group must really be suffering. In this instance, yes a certain number of people are suffering from something and its a little different to the flu and might be occurring a little more often but no body is quite sure. Next you grab the PC cook book and dramatise the suffering with anecdotes and film is even better, make sure you have some scientific sounding model which provides the cover of rationality, find a few articulate spokespeople preferably university educated on the subject to get on the media and support the case with heartfelt emotional appeals.

Our critical thinking is overwhelmed and like blubbering children we buy the whole thing. Rinse and repeat.
 
Monkey King said:
The UK Office for National Statistics actually reports deaths from coronavirus are 50% higher than those reported by the Department of Health. There's news reports abound of under reporting of deaths, so wouldn't be blowing a horn about that. Much will come out in the wash.

Most of the serological research I've seen puts the mortality rate at between 0.2-1.0. So that's at best twice as deadly as the flu, at worst 10 times as deadly. Those figures, unlike influenza, incorporate the most unprecedented global response to a virus we've ever seen. Give the R0 will inflate with falling mortality rates, you can see why this virus is far deadlier than seasonal flu without intervention.
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No no, Prince Harry reckons they're all exaggerating

www.dailymail.co.uk

Prince Harry sparks coronavirus row

In an interview with the Declassifed podcast, Prince Harry said that things here are 'better than we are led to believe through certain corners of the media'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
yebiga said:
No you will not - Les, I and others have provided you guys with ample sources - what follows after the cognitive dissonance is denial, abuse and amnesia.
The curve is flat - the hospitals are empty - what is the plan?
Forget whether I am a conspiracy nut or some leading god figure said it could get worse or some tragic anecdote - WHAT IS THE PLAN?

Over the last few decades, we have seen the normalisation of exaggerating anecdotal evidence, supported by tragedy, augmented by fear and endorsed by some johnny come lately expert. This is anatomy of PC argumentation and the COVID hysteria is its final extreme manifestation.

Of course, it is essential that there is a grain of truth to the construction of the facade. One or other group must really be suffering. In this instance, yes a certain number of people are suffering from something and its a little different to the flu and might be occurring a little more often but no body is quite sure. Next you grab the PC cook book and dramatise the suffering with anecdotes and film is even better, make sure you have some scientific sounding model which provides the cover of rationality, find a few articulate spokespeople preferably university educated on the subject to get on the media and support the case with heartfelt emotional appeals.

Our critical thinking is overwhelmed and like blubbering children we buy the whole thing. Rinse and repeat.
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I feel like I show Les more respect than most.

Stop ranting. Post some sources in favour of your position and hold me to my word.

Put some doubt in my mind. Most of us would love to be wrong about this.
 
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