Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Pandemic Declared - Part 2

[Chief]

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[Baltimore Jack]

Interesting you should bring that up, because the conflict with China is ratcheting up. Some of the language coming from a variety of US sources is as extreme as we have seen. It's sobering to consider how WW1 was triggered following a single assassination by an unknown Serbian separatist.

And I'm pretty sure if it came to shooting, both sides would pinky swear promise not to use Nukes

Well The Donald wouldn't, because he is such a stable genius

 

[Mofra]

Could you define what you would call a source of high quality? This should be interesting

We're not going to agree here. Anything that doesn't take a conspiracy position first, then cherry-pick quotes to support that position, is a good start.

 

[yebiga]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I really am way past this crap - but for those still gripped by the batshit fear-mongering and enthralled by a media have a read of the following - which cites numerous medical science authorities blah blah blah

 

[faible]

The scientific consensus is that coronavirus originated in bats, in a wet-market and not a lab in Wuhan

This isn't true at all.

The consensus is that it very likely came from bats, wasn't man-made, and may have passed through an intermediary animal like the pangolin.

The wet market isn't considered the source, just the earliest public location it started spreading, since Jan / Feb they've said they believe someone already had it and brought it in to the market back in October / November.

I think it's quite plausible an error at the lab was related to this, given by many accounts the horseshoe bat lives nowhere near Wuhan, nor are they sold at the market. But the two labs in town both research those particular animals.

That's not a conspiracy.

 

[Les Malone]

This isn't true at all.

The consensus is that it very likely came from bats, wasn't man-made, and may have passed through an intermediary animal like the pangolin.

The wet market isn't considered the source, just the earliest public location it started spreading, since Jan / Feb they've said they believe someone already had it and brought it in to the market back in October / November.

I think it's quite plausible an error at the lab was related to this, given by many accounts the horseshoe bat lives nowhere near Wuhan, nor are they sold at the market. But the two labs in town both research those particular animals.

That's not a conspiracy.

Ah oh, put on block by Snarkey baker here we come....

All a co-incidence he says.

And what a coincidence it is!!

 

[RudyBlue]

BS - you are almost all of you heavily invested and some hopelessly.
When you are instigating unprecedent drastic measure, you would expect incontrovertible data by now.

The only conclusion to draw is that - whilst everyone may have meant well - they over cooked the assessment and f’ed up.
As I say, no problem with that - we can learn lessons from this - but we are now witnessing denial. The Doctors leading the charge have got a taste of fame and they aren't going to let it go in a hurry. All those experts who predicted armageddon don't want to risk being told they were wrong and being ridiculed. Senior Government figures are too scared to go against there advise and so we are in this twilight zone of indecision without direction.

Now that's my spooky Conspiracy Theory. It doesn't include a bio-war, it doesn't cast aspersions at William Virus Gates, G5 Towers, or some dystopian horror.
People simply over-reacted, thinking it was the right thing to do, they encouraged fear for our own good. They made the wrong call. It could have been the right call but not this time.

Right now our hospitals are empty, suicide, bankruptcy, depression, anxiety... and who knows whatever other crap is up up up.

I don’t see the lockdown as a permanent solution, but a measure to give us time to fortify against the worst case scenario (yes these scenarios will change) and carve a reasonable way out of this and hundreds of people dying every day.

Is that unreasonable?

 

[Hoops]

Serology testing.

We need it replicated all over the world though.

So is the 92% wrong?

 

[Bestbird]

Interesting you should bring that up, because the conflict with China is ratcheting up. Some of the language coming from a variety of US sources is as extreme as we have seen. It's sobering to consider how WW1 was triggered following a single assassination by an unknown Serbian separatist.

Yep A bit worried about the rhetoric from the USA at the moment.

Although I think there should be an investigation regarding the onset of the virus and the conduct of various nations and WHO when the dust settles a bit.

The problem of course is trying to take the politics out of it in terms of an independent enquiry. See the recent sportsgate scandal as an example

 

[Les Malone]

We're not going to agree here. Anything that doesn't take a conspiracy position first, then cherry-pick quotes to support that position, is a good start.

It is a conspiracy now to suggest the modelling, the mortality rate, the hysteria, the police policing the lockdown, the closing and destruction of businesses left right and center etc etc etc around covid was all wrong?.

Is that what you are suggesting?.

Because that's what our learned friends and a dam sight more learned than you Mofra - big footy's resident epidemiologist debunker are suggesting.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Virgin Australia to go bust

Hello domestic monopoly and overpriced airfares. Terrible news.

 

[RudyBlue]

So is the 92% wrong?

What’s the basis of the 92%?

You’d need to do population studies to get an accurate picture.

 

[Mofra]

It is a conspiracy now to suggest the modelling, the mortality rate, the hysteria, the police policing the lockdown, the closing and destruction of businesses left right and center etc etc etc around covid was all wrong?.

Is that what you are suggesting?.

Because that's what our learned friends and a dam sight more learned than you Mofra - big footy's resident epidemiologist debunker are suggesting.

For a start, using the word "hysteria" doesn't do much for the credibility of your argument. And yes, the soruces you cited do peddle in conspiracy theories.

I am suggesting there is a myriad of information available, and the only sources you cite are dubious. The vast majority of health experts consider Covid-19 a serious threat, and again I ask - where are the frontline doctors and nurses who support your view?

I posted far more links - from a greater variety of sources - just a few pages ago. I'll happily defer to the epidemiologists rather than the radiologists you put up (as per your second link).

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Virgin Australia to go bust

Hello domestic monopoly and overpriced airfares. Terrible news.

Tricky Dicky Branson's got nothing in the kitty for his downunder 'adventure'?

Richard Branson's blog on business and advocacy | Virgin

Richard Branson's blog - where he shares his thoughts on business, Virgin news, leadership, life, family and the global issues he cares about the most

www.virgin.com

 

[Mofra]

Tricky Dicky Branson's got nothing in the kitty for his downunder 'adventure'?

Richard Branson's blog on business and advocacy | Virgin

Richard Branson's blog - where he shares his thoughts on business, Virgin news, leadership, life, family and the global issues he cares about the most

www.virgin.com

Does he still have much of an interest? I thought he divested years ago.

 

[Hornberger]

So is the 92% wrong?

I believe the 92% was in respect of symptomatic cases only.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Does he still have much of an interest? I thought he divested years ago.

He might well have done. I'll definitely defer to the knowledge of the Flight Centre Captain™ - if anyone knows it'd be him!!

 

[Rob R]

Tricky Dicky Branson's got nothing in the kitty for his downunder 'adventure'?

Richard Branson's blog on business and advocacy | Virgin

Richard Branson's blog - where he shares his thoughts on business, Virgin news, leadership, life, family and the global issues he cares about the most

www.virgin.com

He sold most of his share a while back. The largest stakeholder is actually the CCP (through front companies) who have refused to bail it out during this CCP enabled crisis probably in the hope that other CCP front companies can get it on the cheap.

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[Mofra]

He sold most of his share a while back. The largest stakeholder is actually the CCP (through front companies) who have refused to bail it out during this CCP enabled crisis probably in the hope that other CCP front companies can get it on the cheap.

There was a proposal for government 'quasi-nationalisation' of Virgin via a loan that gives the a direct interest, to be sold after the current crisis has passed. The idea would be to protect Virgin as an ongoing entity (and the associated employees) then offload that interest for profit years later.

Vale competition.

 

[knife]

Virgin Australia to go bust

Hello domestic monopoly and overpriced airfares. Terrible news.

We can't have a situation where we're continually bailing out companies that fail to put any money aside for down turns in the market. Especially those who have been using cheap money to make share buybacks (see the US airline industry). Virgin have been poorly run and poorly capitalized for a while. We shouldn't be bailing them and many others out.

Shareholders and banks need to take some haircuts instead of turning to Government to bailout their poor decisions and strategies. https://www.theage.com.au/business/...-in-a-world-without-risk-20200420-p54le7.html

 

[Marcel Proust]

We can't have a situation where we're continually bailing out companies that fail to put any money aside for down turns in the market. Especially those who have been using cheap money to make share buybacks (see the US airline industry). Virgin have been poorly run and poorly capitalized for a while. We shouldn't be bailing them and many others out.

Shareholders and banks need to take some haircuts instead of turning to Government to bailout their poor decisions and strategies. https://www.theage.com.au/business/...-in-a-world-without-risk-20200420-p54le7.html

It was said recently for the 1200dollars given to Americans - they'd be about 18k in debt via taxes or whatever.

That was quite early in the bailouts. I wonder if the Australian figures are similar

 

[Belnakor]

Does he still have much of an interest? I thought he divested years ago.

Virgin owns 10% of Virgin Australia and Branson owns 10% of that. so **** all.

 

[Belnakor]

There was a proposal for government 'quasi-nationalisation' of Virgin via a loan that gives the a direct interest, to be sold after the current crisis has passed. The idea would be to protect Virgin as an ongoing entity (and the associated employees) then offload that interest for profit years later.

Vale competition.

while it seems like a good idea it also seems a bit like the government is speculating.

We don't know enough about how the airline industry will come out of this or when.

I'd prefer to let them go under and then support a new player.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Interesting you should bring that up, because the conflict with China is ratcheting up. Some of the language coming from a variety of US sources is as extreme as we have seen. It's sobering to consider how WW1 was triggered following a single assassination by an unknown Serbian separatist.

Agree and that anti China rhetoric is not useful atm

 

[Gavin Excell]

God the Boomer-memes about people going to war are tiresome.

Newsflash, once upon a time our ancestors lived in caves and only ate partially-cooked mammoth once a month. Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better conditions/standards in the present day. Pointing to some previous time when things were shit and using that to stifle genuine criticism of the current situation is just puerile.

Also, societies that actually stop 'whinging' tend to stagnate and decline because 'whinging' is often where ideas for improvement and betterment first stem from. If you have an environment that stifles that debate you tend to have embedded inefficiencies and incompetencies that are never resolved because anytime anyone ever tries to complain they're just told to 'stop whinging.' Sure you can't always accommodate everything but it's far better to have a society where feedback is aired than some ridiculous army-camp where everyone just suffers in silence for no good reason.

You'll all be pleased to know I haven't stopped 'whinging' since getting to my forced quarantine hotel from overseas. So far whinging has given me - an upgraded spa room, a tray of mandarins, extra fruit, better internet and (I'm hoping because I don't intend to stop complaining about it) a more nutritionally balanced breakfast than the cardboard shit we're currently being given.

I actually see that not as whinging but as holding the government to an acceptable baseline standard of how to treat its citizens, and hopefully making the ordeal easier for the person who comes after me. People whose only refrain is 'toughen up' can eat a satchel of units because what they're really saying is 'I don't care about you or your needs' which when you think about it is the true selfish behaviour.

You out yet Motlop or still in the hotel?

 

[Ok Boomer]

We can't have a situation where we're continually bailing out companies that fail to put any money aside for down turns in the market. Especially those who have been using cheap money to make share buybacks (see the US airline industry). Virgin have been poorly run and poorly capitalized for a while. We shouldn't be bailing them and many others out.

Shareholders and banks need to take some haircuts instead of turning to Government to bailout their poor decisions and strategies. https://www.theage.com.au/business/...-in-a-world-without-risk-20200420-p54le7.html

Is it in the public interest to have only one major domestic airline Qantas/Jetstar?