Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Pandemic Declared - Part 2

[Chief]

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[Crankyhawk]

What data?

The initial data out of Wuhan that had 10% death from hospitalised patients.

 

[Crankyhawk]

This chart is pretty amazing to me (from here):

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Last year, Australia had 313,000 confirmed cases of (regular) flu, and Jan & Feb 2020 was tracking even higher, with warnings that little could be done to stop it.

Since social distancing, those numbers have dropped to just 34 cases.

Our hospital locally tests for flu every time they do a covid swab, if our places doing covid tests are the same we have less flu with many more tests!

 

[mouncey2franklin]

The initial data out of Wuhan that had 10% death from hospitalised patients.

Was there any study in particular?

Or is 'the data' kind of like 'the vibe', 'mabo', etc?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Refreshing honesty...............

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Curious why they would ask her in the first place.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Put down the megaphone or China might opt for other imports

It is possible there is much more to China’s tariff threats against Australian barley exports than meets the eye. At face value it appears to be a blunt instrument for China to demonstrate its displeasure for Australia’s calls for an independent inquiry into the coronavirus outbreak in China.

But on deeper examination it looks to be part of a strategy by China to diversify its sources of imports – something far more ominous for Canberra policymakers and our exporters.

To be sure, China’s Ambassador to Australia warned that if Australia persisted in calls for an inquiry, Chinese consumers could shun Australian education, tourism, wine, beef, and other products. And we have just seen China suspend approvals for imports of beef from four Australian abattoirs. That action is more clearly a result of the most recent friction in Australia-China relations – a clear warning shot across the bow.

Put down the megaphone or China might opt for other imports

Australia needs to find alternative export markets to China, but in the meantime we must be wise. We need China's business and we should join up to its Belt and Road Initiative.

www.theage.com.au

**** them. Steal their manufacturing ip and make it locally and call out the CCP for throwing childlike tantrums and the request for inquiry. Would love it if one of the aust politicians said the same thing or along the lines of “Chinese government only wants everyone to how and scrape there’s no working rationally with them; fortunately the Chinese people are smarter”

 

[Crankyhawk]

Was there any study in particular?

Or is 'the data' kind of like 'the vibe', 'mabo', etc?

http://www.ourphn.org.au/wp-content/uploads/20200225-Article-COVID-19.pdf

2.4% total case fatality BUT 19% cases moderate or severe (deaths came out of severe group). This is basis for 10% of hospitalised patients died. Published mid feb 2020

 

[Sainteric]

Put down the megaphone or China might opt for other imports

It is possible there is much more to China’s tariff threats against Australian barley exports than meets the eye. At face value it appears to be a blunt instrument for China to demonstrate its displeasure for Australia’s calls for an independent inquiry into the coronavirus outbreak in China.

But on deeper examination it looks to be part of a strategy by China to diversify its sources of imports – something far more ominous for Canberra policymakers and our exporters.

To be sure, China’s Ambassador to Australia warned that if Australia persisted in calls for an inquiry, Chinese consumers could shun Australian education, tourism, wine, beef, and other products. And we have just seen China suspend approvals for imports of beef from four Australian abattoirs. That action is more clearly a result of the most recent friction in Australia-China relations – a clear warning shot across the bow.

Put down the megaphone or China might opt for other imports

Australia needs to find alternative export markets to China, but in the meantime we must be wise. We need China's business and we should join up to its Belt and Road Initiative.

www.theage.com.au

So its all right to complain against the horrible Americans but we have to shutup against one of the worst dictatorships because even when their actions have killed 200,000 and counting.

Lefty logic at its best

 

[Deliverance]

Cross your toes as well.



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Except coal is going out of business at record rates in the US.

 

[medusala]

My wifes family got themselves tested 2 weeks ago cause one in the family had flu (and they live in proper stockholm) and none of them have it. Out of all my friends who got tested , none of them have it either and they are leading normal lives. I find it hard to believe stokcholm has reached 30% immunity to be honest. I think London have more than Stockholm by a large number. Considering 80% of the people are asymptomatic, i wouldnt be surprised.

Another article said PHE put it at 10%. And if the UK is at that level then you would think London would be far higher.

Coronavirus could be 'wiped out in London in weeks' - but what's the picture in the rest of England?

The R value in England is 0.75, firmly under 1.0 - which the prime minister named as a requirement for the easing of lockdown.

news.sky.com

It comes as a new study suggests more than 25% of the UK is likely to have had coronavirus already.

Researchers from the University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium used local authority data to calculate the R value - the number of people infected by one person with COVID-19 - for each area.

 

[Total Power]

Another article said PHE put it at 10%. And if the UK is at that level then you would think London would be far higher.

Coronavirus could be 'wiped out in London in weeks' - but what's the picture in the rest of England?

The R value in England is 0.75, firmly under 1.0 - which the prime minister named as a requirement for the easing of lockdown.

news.sky.com

It comes as a new study suggests more than 25% of the UK is likely to have had coronavirus already.

Researchers from the University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium used local authority data to calculate the R value - the number of people infected by one person with COVID-19 - for each area.

That's my point if NYC and London are closer to herd immunity than Stockholm then is Sweden's policy any good? 100 people are still dying everyday there. They are unlikely to avoid the economic damage too if you take the long term view, it will even up in the end with the neigbouring countries who had far less deaths.

 

[medusala]

That's my point if NYC and London are closer to herd immunity than Stockholm then is Sweden's policy any good? 100 people are still dying everyday there. They are unlikely to avoid the economic damage too if you take the long term view, it will even up in the end with the neigbouring countries who had far less deaths.

London has just 24 new coronavirus cases a day

Capital's lockdown questioned as Public Health England models suggest virus will be wiped out in June

www.telegraph.co.uk

Fewer than 24 people are catching coronavirus each day in London, new modelling suggests, with forecasts predicting the virus could be wiped out in the capital within a fortnight.

 

[Total Power]

London has just 24 new coronavirus cases a day

Capital's lockdown questioned as Public Health England models suggest virus will be wiped out in June

www.telegraph.co.uk

Fewer than 24 people are catching coronavirus each day in London, new modelling suggests, with forecasts predicting the virus could be wiped out in the capital within a fortnight.

So does that put Sweden's model into perspective? it's almost a sin to compare the 2, stockholms population density , air traffic is nowhere close to london. Herd immunity will be tough to achieve there.

 

[medusala]

So does that put Sweden's model into perspective? i almost a sin to compare the 2, stockholms population density , air traffic is nowhere close to london. Herd immunity will be tough to achieve there.

Need to wait until large scale serology results are in I guess.

On the other hand I really cant see test, track and trace working in somehwere like London. Imagine trying to trace someone who caught a packed train, then tube in London.

 

[Total Power]

Need to wait until large scale serology results are in I guess.

On the other hand I really cant see test, track and trace working in somehwere like London. Imagine trying to trace someone who caught a packed train, then tube in London.

Problem will always be the newer people coming into the country from other countries. On an average 20,000 people enter london everyday from other countries and they might be exposed to the virus creating a new wave.

 

[mcnulty]

Need to wait until large scale serology results are in I guess.

On the other hand I really cant see test, track and trace working in somehwere like London. Imagine trying to trace someone who caught a packed train, then tube in London.

South Korea did it and they are one of the most densely populated countries on the planet. Vietnam too. It won’t work in the UK because their early testing numbers were disgraceful. They were led by a blustering idiot who insisted it was ok to shake hands with people while other countries were getting serious.

I repeat, late testing is like putting toothpaste back in the tube. Better late than never, but messy, and highly ineffective.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Struggling a bit to understand why we are having AFL down here in Vic. Surely someone...somewhere, somehow, sometime involved with AFL will get the virus here and a team will have to isolate stopping the whole thing costing a whole lot of money. There are safer states where the season is more likely to continue uninterrupted.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

http://www.ourphn.org.au/wp-content/uploads/20200225-Article-COVID-19.pdf

2.4% total case fatality BUT 19% cases moderate or severe (deaths came out of severe group). This is basis for 10% of hospitalised patients died. Published mid feb 2020

That '10%' dropped down to 2% very ****ing quickly, didn't it?

 

[Gameova_]

If you get in close contact with a confirmed person who has it will it show up if you do a test the same day after you get in contact?

 

[FRUMPY]

We still aren't dead yet......

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[Total Power]

Denmark reported zero deaths today while Sweden 117

medusala

 

[Crankyhawk]

That '10%' dropped down to 2% very ******* quickly, didn't it?

Learn to read. I said hospitalised cases. Not all cases.

 

[Gameova_]

We still aren't dead yet......

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Who said we were all going to die?

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[SaintsSeptember]

fu** them. Steal their manufacturing ip and make it locally and call out the CCP for throwing childlike tantrums and the request for inquiry. Would love it if one of the aust politicians said the same thing or along the lines of “Chinese government only wants everyone to how and scrape there’s no working rationally with them; fortunately the Chinese people are smarter”

Ummmm, their IP is worth shit.
Its simply throwing labor at stuff.
Example. PBR were making the park brake, for an F100. it was a special design using flexible elements, requiring less components than a traditional design.
They lost the business to a traditional design, only cheaper, because those assemebling all those little springs by hand were getting paid chickenfeed.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Struggling a bit to understand why we are having AFL down here in Vic. Surely someone...somewhere, somehow, sometime involved with AFL will get the virus here and a team will have to isolate stopping the whole thing costing a whole lot of money. There are safer states where the season is more likely to continue uninterrupted.

Its pretty unlikely that anyone will get it.

 

[Gameova_]

Its pretty unlikely that anyone will get it.

How is it unlikely? People that have the fricking thing are out in public as normal. Won't be losing before a rise in cases.