Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

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[GoldenSky]

Morrison thinks the comments by the Virgin CEO are insensitive.

So this means Morrison is now pursuing a strategy of 100% flu elimination too? Any chance the media might press him on that?

Or just another chance to lay into a female CEO?

Good article from Waleed on the fake outrage to this today:

Outrage nation: The rapid decay of discourse

The heated reaction to Virgin CEO Jayne Hrdlicka’s statement on opening up international borders highlights the paucity of nuanced discussions on complex issues.

www.smh.com.au

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Cant ignore this also

The general person on the street has more pressure to get the vaccine then Antivaxia Palaszcuk it appears

Its been sad to watch how little our politicians have to do in life to be supported I think. Can be a walking contradiction nowadays and still get a heroes welcome

 

[yebiga]

“I Don’t Know of a Bigger Story in the World” Right Now Than Ivermectin: NY Times Best-Selling Author
Posted on May 25, 2021 by Nick Corbishley
So why are journalists not covering it?
Michael Capuzzo, a New York Times best-selling author , has just published an article titled “The Drug That Cracked Covid”. The 15-page article chronicles the gargantuan struggle being waged by frontline doctors on all continents to get ivermectin approved as a Covid-19 treatment, as well as the tireless efforts by reporters, media outlets and social media companies to thwart them.
Because of ivermectin, Capuzzo says, there are “hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of people around the world, from Uttar Pradesh in India to Peru to Brazil, who are living and not dying.” Yet media outlets have done all they can to “debunk” the notion that ivermectin may serve as an effective, easily accessible and affordable treatment for Covid-19. They have parroted the arguments laid out by health regulators around the world that there just isn’t enough evidence to justify its use.
For his part, Capuzzo, as a reporter, “saw with [his] own eyes the other side [of the story]” that has gone unreported, of the many patients in the US whose lives have been saved by ivermectin and of five of the doctors that have led the battle to save lives around the world, Paul Marik, Umberto Meduri, José Iglesias, Pierre Kory and Joe Varon. These are all highly decorated doctors. Through their leadership of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance, they have already enhanced our treatment of Covid-19 by discovering and promoting the use of Corticoid steroids against the virus. But their calls for ivermectin to also be used have met with a wall of resistance from healthcare regulators and a wall of silence from media outlets.
“I really wish the world could see both sides,” Capuzzo laments. But unfortunately most reporters are not interested in telling the other side of the story. Even if they were, their publishers would probably refuse to publish it.
That may explain why Capuzzo, a six-time Pulitzer-nominated journalist best known for his New York Times-bestselling nonfiction books Close to Shore and Murder Room, ended up publishing his article on ivermectin in Mountain Home, a monthly local magazine for the of the Pennsylvania mountains and New York Finger Lakes region, of which Capuzzo’s wife is the editor. It’s also the reason why I decided to dedicate today’s post to Capuzzo’s article. Put simply, as many people as possible –particularly journalists — need to read his story.
As Capuzzo himself says, “I don’t know of a bigger story in the world.”

"I Don't Know of a Bigger Story in the World" Right Now Than Ivermectin: NY Times Best-Selling Author | naked capitalism So why are journalists not covering it?

So why are journalists not covering it?

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[andrewmillman]

Cant ignore this also

The general person on the street has more pressure to get the vaccine then Antivaxia Palaszcuk it appears

Its been sad to watch how little our politicians have to do in life to be supported I think. Can be a walking contradiction nowadays and still get a heroes welcome

Do you think she is worried re blood clots because she is on the portly side these days?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Do you think she is worried re blood clots because she is on the portly side these days?

The quicker everyone gets vaccinated, the sooner she loses all her extra powers. A bit like asking a 6 year old to give them the toy you just gave them back. Temper tantrums galore at this stage

 

[Rob R]

Surely LNP don't win a single vote from Victorians at the next election. A proper federal vaccine program is our only way out, seeing as how they squibbed border control and HQ.

People still plan to vote for Dan after he caused 800 deaths and his acceptance of repsonbility amounted to denial of knowledge and acceptance of a massive payrise

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[Crankyhawk]

Im going to draw into my own personal experiences much like you are so forgive me I guess moving the geographical nature of our discussion but it does relate back to your ideas

What else can be done? Id say something of actual relevance to the medical field would be a start? In Western Australia we have had nothing but budgets slashed in every single facet of medicine in this country. Crazy thought here, but if you want to stop a pandemic from ravaging the health sector, I dunno, maybe invest in the health sector?

What can be done first and foremost is investing in the core basic treament opions. Ones that work without any data needed for proof. Im talking anti body treatment options, anti viral drug options, actually creating the vaccine at a proper rate as opposed to this 2 year rollout worldwide for a drug thats needed every 12 months?, the govt to release a clear and distinct treatment options, investment in core infrastructure and hospital staffing. Im thinking rather then random individualistic actions that help no one but ourselves, maybe, just maybe we fix the core underlying issues?

Not wrong re health infrastructure and investment.
But there are currently very few proven antivirals and before this covid outbreak there were none that worked from coronavirus (influenza had some weak tablets which would reduce symptoms by 12 hours). Effective antivirals are HIV treatment and hepatitis C

 

[Crankyhawk]

No it's not a fundamental flaw, cause it has never happened before and comparing it to flu is really silly for this reason. I agree healthcare was exposed to an extent but no one expected this to be get this bad.

I think you are slightly missing his point which is that the WA health system is forked due to systemic underinvestment for years. This is true for all states in Australia just some are worse than others. Witness access block in south Australia, mental health patients in Tasmania taking 7 days to get into a mental health bed, ambulance ramping of hours in many Victorian hospitals

 

[Crankyhawk]

How are you qualified to give this opinion? Ridiculous thought.

Not that ridiculous; you need a pool of already infected to get plasma from. Not sure we had that (plus they would need to meet criteria for safe donation like blood donation)

 

[Stronzo]

And i've been posting for a long time now that the Federal Government should have done quarantine properly from very, very early on. We've seen repeated lockdowns and restrictions in every major city that are consistently linked back to a failure in HQ. Because it's not fit for purpose.

The problem is, that because of that failure there's a position where around 6.5 million Victorians are living under restrictions for the next week because of a small handful of people living overseas that want to return.

Not because people wanted to return home, because of the lack of an adequate quarantine system.

The people returning home aren’t responsible for the gov’s lack of action. They’ve followed the protocols.

I'm not blaming the people who want to return. But due to the Federal Government entirely shirking any responsibility for managing quarantine we're left with a HQ system that's not fit-for-purpose, and ultimately, ~6.5m Victorians are now paying the price for that.

It seems odd that many of the people shouting about shutting down flights from India have suddenly gone quiet at the same time we're seeing yet another failure in HQ. Almost like they didn't actually give a sh*t about those people, but were using it as a convenient way to shoehorn their views about being personally inconvenienced in to an issue that makes them seem empathetic.

Sorry I don't buy that many of those people posting had any concern for those others.

Or maybe they cared that their fellow Australians were being discriminated against and now that the issue has subsided they don’t see the need to post on it? You are after all talking about 2 separate issues - citizen’s free passage home and quarantine.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You are welcome to call the parents of the children who died in the hospital a few months ago without receiving treatment because no one was physically capable to to explain this concept if you wish.

Health resourcing isnt a long term ******* problem. If I need a bed, and a nurse you sacked hired back to do a job, ******* buy one and ******* hire that nurse back. That takes you 12 hours max to accomplish.

We are having infrastructure stripped away from us ffs so how do you prorpose the long term infrastructure issue be fixed?

Your entire post is guess work nonesense and really takes a economical view of what is a life and death situation

Can I guess that your role is associated with midlands hospital in WA?

 

[Crankyhawk]

They already have beds and doctors and nursing. We had those resources removed so its simply about picking the already existing resources and adding them back into the sector

Its really sad its that simple in a way isnt it? (even you will agree with me on that)

Your nurses are choosing to work in vaccination clinics and covid testing facilities (if they are like Victorian ones) thereby forking your access to ED and ICU staff

 

[Maddhew]

Merlino in the same press conference:

The federal government have failed in terms of vaccine supply.
Vaccine uptake from Victorians (demand) lower than expected.
We just magically found a whole heap of Pfizer

 

[faible]

Merlino in the same press conference:

The federal government have failed in terms of vaccine supply.
Vaccine uptake from Victorians (demand) lower than expected.
We just magically found a whole heap of Pfizer

Well to be fair, all of the above can be true.

The federal government has totally stuffed the rollout, thus having a weirdly large amount of Pfizer doses on hand.

 

[Maddhew]

Well to be fair, all of the above can be true.

The federal government has totally stuffed the rollout, thus having a weirdly large amount of Pfizer doses on hand.

Has Victoria depleted their vaccine stocks and that's the reason for the outbreak?

 

[adogsfan5]

How nervous will Scumo be tonight? 99.9% pointing the blame on him today and rightly so.

 

[PP34]

How nervous will Scumo be tonight? 99.9% pointing the blame on him today and rightly so.

He doesn’t give a shit. Plenty of morons will still vote for him. Particularly the grey haired caravan types.

 

[Maddhew]

How nervous will Scumo be tonight? 99.9% pointing the blame on him today and rightly so.

I saw it more as a lack of accountability from the Vic Govt...again

 

[Maddhew]

Can anyone provide an example of a purpose built COVID-19 quarantine facility around the world that we could use as a blue print. How many people does it accomodate? how many staff are required? How long did it take to build? What did it cost? Has it been effective? How does the efficacy compare to HQ?

 

[faible]

Can anyone provide an example of a purpose built COVID-19 quarantine facility around the world that we could use as a blue print. How many people does it accomodate? how many staff are required? How long did it take to build? What did it cost? Has it been effective? How does the efficacy compare to HQ?

Howard Springs has seemed pretty much perfect from day one

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Can anyone provide an example of a purpose built COVID-19 quarantine facility around the world that we could use as a blue print. How many people does it accomodate? how many staff are required? How long did it take to build? What did it cost? Has it been effective? How does the efficacy compare to HQ?

Australia had quarantine facilities in most states going back to Federation.

 

[yebiga]

Can anyone provide an example of a purpose built COVID-19 quarantine facility around the world that we could use as a blue print. How many people does it accomodate? how many staff are required? How long did it take to build? What did it cost? Has it been effective? How does the efficacy compare to HQ?

What is even worse, no government has detailed a road map to normality. The vaccines are not guaranteed to provide immunity, the strains keep multiplying, no body is even talking of herd immunity anymore. The hospitality and tourism sectors cannot recover under these conditions. Job keeper has now stopped and reality begins to set in.

In Victoria, there are over 500k casual employees. Up to 250k of them may be asked to take leave without pay. Small retailers and hospitality sector will simply not be able to pay them when they cannot trade. Many permanent employees will also be pressured to use their entitlements during this week long lockdown.

One week is not going to change the world - but without the helicopter money dropping, longer lockdowns will see civil responses that we dodged last year. You can't have 100s of thousands of people suddenly unable to pay their rent, utilities, food etcetera without civil consequences.

 

[Maddhew]

Howard Springs has seemed pretty much perfect from day one

So the one run by the federal govt (until recently) that is more than doubling its capacity?

Australia was one of the first countries in the world to implement mandatory hotel quarantine, it has been an enormous success and has been copied (in most cases too late) elsewhere in the world.

We also have more vaccines than either willing vaxxers, or that the states can administer.

Vics contact tracing and overall covid response has been poor from the start, keep blaming the feds though, I am sure it makes you feel better.

 

[adogsfan5]

I saw it more as a lack of accountability from the Vic Govt...again

They are a small part to blame yes. But Scumo has been beyond poor this whole pandemic. I legit can’t imagine a worse job that he’s done. If he’s re-elected I’ll fall off my chair.

 

[adogsfan5]

What is even worse, no government has detailed a road map to normality. The vaccines are not guaranteed to provide immunity, the strains keep multiplying, no body is even talking of herd immunity anymore. The hospitality and tourism sectors cannot recover under these conditions. Job keeper has now stopped and reality begins to set in.

In Victoria, there are over 500k casual employees. Up to 250k of them may be asked to take leave without pay. Small retailers and hospitality sector will simply not be able to pay them when they cannot trade. Many permanent employees will also be pressured to use their entitlements during this week long lockdown.

One week is not going to change the world - but without the helicopter money dropping, longer lockdowns will see civil responses that we dodged last year. You can't have 100s of thousands of people suddenly unable to pay their rent, utilities, food etcetera without civil consequences.

Merlino actually said the words “herd immunity” today which shocked me