Yze is tragic...

Adrian1 · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Porthos
Zeke, you misunderstand the situation.

The sane Melbourne fans dropped off after they realised their club was going nowhere. The only fans left now are those who live full time in a dream, where Melbourne are a real contender with a superstar midfield and massive crowds. All the reality in the world won't get in the way, and for the sake of the MFC it had better not, or those fans will leave too.

Don't go bringng facts into the story. Its just mean.

Don't recall anyone ever saying any of that porthos, but oh well.

As for bringing facts into the story. Wouldn't mind if they were at lease accurate. Yze played 22 games last year yet Zeke tells us all the other stats are correct !

With respect to the comparison it is not possible to do. They are completely different players in completely different roles so comparisons can always be swayed to any one particular argument

jikost · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Misleading in what way?

IN EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY!! Most of them have already been mentioned if you have actually read through the entire thread.

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Adrian1
Don't recall anyone ever saying any of that porthos, but oh well.

As for bringing facts into the story. Wouldn't mind if they were at lease accurate. Yze played 22 games last year yet Zeke tells us all the other stats are correct !

With respect to the comparison it is not possible to do. They are completely different players in completely different roles so comparisons can always be swayed to any one particular argument

Regardless of the roles, regardless of the position, Buckley is a better AFL footballer than Yze. I'm happy to make that absolute statement and have provided at least some form of data to backup my claim.

Adrian1 · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Regardless of the roles, regardless of the position, Buckley is a better AFL footballer than Yze. I'm happy to make that absolute statement and have provided at least some form of data to backup my claim.

ok whatever.

still rocking · Apr 15, 2004

stupid comparison.

stupid thread.

dees 4 life · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Regardless of the roles, regardless of the position, Buckley is a better AFL footballer than Yze. I'm happy to make that absolute statement and have provided at least some form of data to backup my claim.

Zeke I havent herd anyone ever say that Yze was a better player than Buckley so your facts which are wrong dont really say much. Also stats can be very misleading a player who gets 30 touches doesnt allways have a major impact on a game (e.g Buckley) where a player can have 14-15 touches kick a couple of goals and make no mistakes is much more effective than having 30 touches in the backline. I'll use Brad Green for example. In round two he played of a wing had 15 touches kicked 3 goals set up a couple more and made no clangers i dare say this is much more effective than one of buckleys 30+ possestion games where many of his kicks are ineffective. By the way Zeek Voss and Hird are both infently better than Buckley.

jikost · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Regardless of the roles, regardless of the position, Buckley is a better AFL footballer than Yze. I'm happy to make that absolute statement and have provided at least some form of data to backup my claim.

Nice try. You went through all that trouble of finding those useless statistics just to make a blanket statement that Buckley is better than Yze. Should of just called the thread 'how to make an idiot out of yourself in less than 1 page'.

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Geez... Don't blame me that your best midfielder isn't in the top dozen in the league... No need to get so stroppy about it. Just recruit better, and don't trade brownlow medalists away.

Adrian1 · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Geez... Don't blame me that your best midfielder isn't in the top dozen in the league... No need to get so stroppy about it. Just recruit better, and don't trade brownlow medalists away.

What does Shane Woewodin have to do with a comparison between Buckley and Yze and in who's opinio is Yze not in the top dozen midfielders in the league (and please don't say Mike Sheehan !)

Yze_Magic · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Geez... Don't blame me that your best midfielder isn't in the top dozen in the league... No need to get so stroppy about it. Just recruit better, and don't trade brownlow medalists away.

yeah, cos we really miss Woey right now and his blistering leg speed

Hey, atl east the Demons drafted and developed Adem Yze

more than I can say for the Pies and Buckley

jikost · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Geez... Don't blame me that your best midfielder isn't in the top dozen in the league... No need to get so stroppy about it. Just recruit better, and don't trade brownlow medalists away.

Why bring in Shane 'I can't believe it's softer than butter' Woewodin into this. Just trying to duck and weave your way out of the mess that you got yourself into by having a go at the MFC. Give up already.

Sheik Mathious · Apr 15, 2004

Code:

ADEM YZE									
Year	G	K	M	HB	D	G	P	HO	T

2000	25	411	104	123	534	37	23	1	42
2001	22	417	105	72	489	24	26	2	37
2002	24	441	106	105	546	19	13	3	67
2003	13	340	74	113	453	17	8	0	43
2004	3	55	16	18	73	2	3	0	3

Totals	87	1664	405	431	2095	99	73	6	192

Averages		19.13	4.66	4.95	24.08	1.14	0.84	0.07	2.21


NATHAN BUCKLEY									
Year	Games	Kicks	Marks	H.Balls	Disp	Goals	Pts	H.O	Tack

2000	21	457	123	163	620	29	34	4	50
2001	20	368	101	158	526	14	21	15	58
2002	21	351	79	133	484	15	19	15	98
2003	24	458	102	192	650	22	23	13	89
2004	3	63	16	16	79	1	1	0	10

Totals	89	1697	421	662	2359	81	98	47	305
									
Averages		19.07	4.73	7.44	26.51	0.91	1.10	0.53	3.43

Bit closer than you might like to think Zeke!

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by jikost
Why bring in Shane 'I can't believe it's softer than butter' Woewodin into this. Just trying to duck and weave your way out of the mess that you got yourself into by having a go at the MFC. Give up already.

Having a go at the MFC? Why would I bother, they're doing a pretty decent job of self destruction on their own.

Syd · Apr 15, 2004

Code:
Originally posted by Zeke
Buckley not only beats Yze in every statistical category, he smashes him.

See for yourself...

Code:

ADEM YZE (first line) v NATHAN BUCKLEY (second line) Year Games Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Pts H.O Tack 2004 3 55 16 18 73 2 3 0 3 2004 3 63 16 16 79 1 1 0 10

Looks pretty even so far in 2004.

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Sheik Mathious
Bit closer than you might like to think Zeke!

Not at all... You've left out half of Yze's career which was ordinary. Buckley has been pulling those stats from the beginning.

jikost · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Having a go at the MFC? Why would I bother, they're doing a pretty decent job of self destruction on their own.

And there you go again. Do any of your posts not involve Melbourne?

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by jikost
And there you go again. Do any of your posts not involve Melbourne?

Yes.

Sheik Mathious · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Not at all... You've left out half of Yze's career which was ordinary. Buckley has been pulling those stats from the beginning.

The first half yes! What's your point? Is it that Yze has developed from an average player into a great footballer?

dees 4 life · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Sheik Mathious

Code:

ADEM YZE Year G K M HB D G P HO T 2000 25 411 104 123 534 37 23 1 42 2001 22 417 105 72 489 24 26 2 37 2002 24 441 106 105 546 19 13 3 67 2003 13 340 74 113 453 17 8 0 43 2004 3 55 16 18 73 2 3 0 3 Totals 87 1664 405 431 2095 99 73 6 192 Averages 19.13 4.66 4.95 24.08 1.14 0.84 0.07 2.21 NATHAN BUCKLEY Year Games Kicks Marks H.Balls Disp Goals Pts H.O Tack 2000 21 457 123 163 620 29 34 4 50 2001 20 368 101 158 526 14 21 15 58 2002 21 351 79 133 484 15 19 15 98 2003 24 458 102 192 650 22 23 13 89 2004 3 63 16 16 79 1 1 0 10 Totals 89 1697 421 662 2359 81 98 47 305 Averages 19.07 4.73 7.44 26.51 0.91 1.10 0.53 3.43

Bit closer than you might like to think Zeke!

As i said in my earlier post that disposals can be misleading. In the past 4 years ( both players in their peak) Yze averages only 2 less touches a game than Buckley he also averages more in goals and less in behinds than Buckley. This not only shows that Yze can be more damaging than buckley but also more accurate. If only these stats showed how many backline possitions each player had.

demon21 · Apr 15, 2004

I can't recall anyone saying Yze is a better player than Buckley. And as same one said Yze as developed over the years. And if u look at the stats 2000 to now it's pretty close Yze is a great player maybe not in the top 5 midfielders but wouldn't be to far away. As for someone mention in Kouta the only thing he's been good at over the last few years is sitting on the sidelines watching Carlton's games.

w00dy · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Well I've heard it all now...

Yze's disposal is in a class above Nathan Buckley? Get a grip on reality for a minute.

That's why Yze has kicked 99.73 since 2000 and Buckley has kicked 81.98...

No one here is saying that Yze is a better player, because he's not... But to quote the thread topic and say he's "tragic" is an absolute joke...

Zeke · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by w00dy
That's why Yze has kicked 99.73 since 2000 and Buckley has kicked 81.98...

No one here is saying that Yze is a better player, because he's not... But to quote the thread topic and say he's "tragic" is an absolute joke...

Yze_tragic is a play on words. Get over it.

Demonheart · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Zeke
Having a go at the MFC? Why would I bother, they're doing a pretty decent job of self destruction on their own.

This guy is so insecure about his own sad, boring life he obviously feels the need to use other people's achievements to try and make himself appear superior to others. I kinda feel sorry for him in a way, he sees the MFC as a soft target so he blindy attacks us at any chance he gets, unfortunately for him he rarely lets reality get in the way of his arguements and pretty quickly makes a goose of himself. Even when we have about five pages of replies from Melbourne supporters agreeing with him that Buckley is the better player he still feels the need to produce this latest gem of a post.

Fortunately for Zeke compulsive obsessive behaviour is treatable.

(This really is a useless thread isn't it)

Shooter · Apr 15, 2004

Adem Yze has a heart the size of a pea.

I'd call him the softest player in the competition, but would be an injustice to many of his teammates, such as one T. Bonghead Johnstone - without doubt the most, overated and softest player in the land.

Demonheart · Apr 15, 2004

Originally posted by Shooter
Johnstone - without doubt the most, overated and softest player in the land.

Alot of dees supporters would agree with you there.

Takes the fun out of it when we agree with you doesn't it?

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