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Mick Malthouse: What AFL must fix before it considers expansion​

Mick Malthouse believes the system is broken. From weak youth talent pools, free agency making the rich richer and shallow lists, something has to change before the AFL expands.

Mick Malthouse

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April 9, 2022 - 6:00AM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

It’s the great football divide.

Three clear divisions among the 18 AFL clubs, already, at just round 4.

Those that will make the final eight, those that could still make the eight, and those that have no chance. There are five teams in the latter category, a high number so early in the campaign.

And the reason? The AFL talent pool is too far stretched.

Basically, there are not enough elite-standard players available to service 18 teams, let alone 19 or 20.

Interestingly, Geelong chief executive Steven Hocking recently suggested that 36 players is more than enough for a club’s list. And yet, as the football operations manager at the AFL, I’m not aware of this ever being his recommendation.

I believe clubs can’t afford to have a rope around their neck with list top-up players who aren’t up to standard. Instead reduce the numbers and focus on player development, which will also allow for a better distribution of talent to all clubs and give the bottom teams a boost.

North Melbourne’s list is threadbare. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images

North Melbourne’s list is threadbare. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images

There’s no doubt that many lists lack depth. In some instances, there are only 15 or so players of genuine AFL quality even in their match day 22, after that it peters out significantly.

The North Melbourne reserves team lost to the Brisbane Lions reserves by 104 points last week. That’s on top of the Kangaroos’ 108-point AFL drubbing by the Lions on the Saturday night. It’s not a good look.
Free agency hasn’t worked to even out the competition. It’s purely a top-up for the better sides. Just look at Robbie Tarrant leaving North Melbourne to go to Richmond. I’m not blaming the player – it’s the system that’s at fault.

On top of that, the national draft appears to be getting shallower and shallower.



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In 2000 there were 80 draft positions used. In 2021 just 65 kids were picked, so there seems to be a lack of uptake by the clubs, rather, a recycling of players as recruiting managers are left underwhelmed by the talent coming through from underage ranks.

As a nation we have produced several NBA first-round picks (most recently Josh Giddey, Ben Simmons, Andrew Bogut, Dante Exum and Thon Maker, and let’s include Patty Mills as a second-round pick) because there was early identification of these kids and a lengthy development process.

Aussie basketball is producing big-time NBA talent like Josh Giddey. Does footy have a development issue? Picture: NBAE/Getty Images

Aussie basketball is producing big-time NBA talent like Josh Giddey. Does footy have a development issue? Picture: NBAE/Getty Images

It happens in cricket, tennis, soccer and Olympic sports too. Perhaps because they are on the world stage it matters more, but the AFL can’t sit back and assume that high participation rates in junior football is going to automatically lead to an abundance of football talent at draft age.

Are we identifying players young enough to go into elite training? And not just one or two, but tens and twenties of kids with potential who could benefit from a development program that leads to an opportunity at AFL level.

We need to encourage and support kids from all walks of life, all states and territories. It is fundamental to identify potential early, as young as 12 or 13, and develop it into talent, so they can mature into draftable 18-year old’s.

At the moment so much is left up to state bodies and schools where resources and time are limited, and potential is being wasted as participation numbers decline among teenagers.

Working in radio and watching every game, I am dismayed at the lack of genuine talent and skill level. It is quite astounding that some of these players, 15 to 22 on the list, are considered elite AFL footballers.

I fear for our competition, for the expansion – and yet I want expansion. I’d love to see a Tassie team in the AFL. But I also fear that right now the standard of the overall competition is below par and at times quite horrible.

Former Hawthorn premiership coach Alastair Clarkson is pushing for AFL expansion into Tasmania. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Former Hawthorn premiership coach Alastair Clarkson is pushing for AFL expansion into Tasmania. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

GROUP ELITE

Looking at the divide and today’s ladder, the first group consists of Brisbane, Carlton, Geelong, Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs who are Monty’s to make the eight.

The Cats, Lions and Bulldogs have been regulars in the finals in recent times.
Melbourne has played finals twice in five years under Simon Goodwin, finishing ninth in
2020 before its 2021 premiership.

The Blues have the true credentials this year though. High scoring forwards, multiple midfielders with class, and a solid backline.

GROUP HOPE

The next group includes:
Collingwood – outstanding so far and really gelling with Craig McRae’s vision.
Essendon – my early premiership tip. Off to a bad start but will come good when it gets its daring and run back.
Fremantle – with a big question mark above it because of the Covid threat.

Greater Western Sydney – like a box of chocolates, you don’t know what you’re going to get.

Hawthorn – rallying behind its new coach.
An ageing Richmond – fraying at the edges but with enough good players to still threaten for the eight.
St Kilda – hard to trust week in week out.

Sydney – who astounded everyone by making the eight last year, and give a top effort each week.
Of these eight clubs, only three will be added to the top group by season’s end.

In the last five years the Tigers have won three premierships. The Giants have played in four of the last five finals’ series including a Grand Final. The Magpies, Bombers and Swans have played finals three times. The Hawks and Saints have each made the eight once. And the Dockers haven’t played a final since 2015.

Four rounds in and it’s season over for winless Port. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images

Four rounds in and it’s season over for winless Port. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images

GROUP FORGET ABOUT IT

That leaves the floundering group:
Adelaide – which has never recovered from its grand final smashing in 2017. With the departure of Don Pyke, Matthew Nicks was left with a team rebuild. Regardless of what took place internally then, the Crows have been up and down throughout the 2000s and right now appear to be a mile off the top-level pace.

Gold Coast – the best it has done in its history, with all the handouts and priority picks, is 12th under Guy McKenna. Since 2018 it has finished 17th, 18th, 14th and 16th under Stuart Dew. Its team is much better than that right now, but that needs to be demonstrated with wins and a fight to challenge for the eight.

North Melbourne – 17th, 17th, and 18th in the last three seasons and in its current form is looking at another wooden spoon. Its win against a Covid depleted West Coast Eagles disguised the fact that it is highly deficient in high-quality players and depth.

Port Adelaide – under Ken Hinkley has made three preliminary finals, two of them just a kick off entering the grand final. But Port currently looks old and slow and it’s a long way back from a winless opening four rounds.

West Coast – has a wonderful record in the last decade, just twice missing finals under Adam Simpson, and a premiership in 2018. But Covid, injuries, and Father Time has caught up with the Eagles.
Of course stranger things have happened and we can’t look into a crystal football, but the fact that 12 points and over 100 per cent separates top from bottom by round four, says a lot, and if the AFL wants to expand its competition it needs to do more to fix the league, first.
 
Let’s get it back on track… keep it real simple this year

FA
Darcy Short @ 600k x 6
Trade
1 > Essendon > 3 + 21
50 > Carlton > McGovern
Zurhaar > WCE > 20

Draft:
3> TSATSAS
20>Busslinger
21>
~40>Harvey

2023 R1

B: McDonald McKay Corr
HB: Goater Busslinger Short
C: TSATSAS LDU Stephenson
HF: Thomas Comben Jason
F: Curtis Larkey. Mahony
R: Xerri Cunnington Simpkin
I/C: Phillips Powell CCJ Perez



Aside from Keith, Nobody in their right mind would ever give up playing cricket for footy.

You’d have to be completely nuts.

Especially if you are as good as Will. He’ll be playing dead runners for Australia in no time at all.
Mate you get all shouty at posters for their ideas then pop up this rubbish. Trolling yourself here
 

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Really?
Any idea what the ‘varying reasons’ were?
Nothing that really stood out, in saying that, I did get a heads up we were having a look at him, so I watched him closely. If I was going to be over critical, he did seem to go "missing" for periods in games all to often. clever footballer in the "goal sense" of the game and he has a very good footy brain, lovable kid. But we aren't the only ones that overlooked him either, didn't gain a rookie spot at any club and that's where he should've got picked at best. Did hear he was in talks with our VFL side, but obviously decided to head to SA.

Just another of the Tassie product trying to get noticed etc in the SANFL. Enjoy watching him marklovesbeer :thumbsu:
 

North Melbourne – 17th, 17th, and 18th in the last three seasons and in its current form is looking at another wooden spoon. Its win against a Covid depleted West Coast Eagles disguised the fact that it is highly deficient in high-quality players and depth.


Think old Mick forgot to take his meds. We have only been in the bottom 2 the last 2 seasons. This will likely be a 3rd but that is still lazy journalism.
 
Mutaz El Nour had another 18 disposals and 9 marks for the Bullants today.

Spoke to a mate who watched the game and he said there is so much to work with with him. Could see him making an impact immediately if he got drafted.
What's his story RF? What position?
 

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Mutaz El Nour had another 18 disposals and 9 marks for the Bullants today.

Spoke to a mate who watched the game and he said there is so much to work with with him. Could see him making an impact immediately if he got drafted.
The Dees were the only club interested last year. You would think a few more clubs would be showing interest now.
 
What's his story RF? What position?
Intercepting half back. 192cm and 86kg. Sudanese background, plays a similar game to Jiath from the hawks.

Was on the western jets list a few years ago but only played a handful of games. Was part of the WB NGA as an underager but never really looked like getting drafted. Previously played on the wing and through the midfield.

Signed with the northern Bullants last year and played a few games across half back about mid way through the year. Played in the under 23’s Young guns game last year and was one of the best on with his decision making and composure with the footy.

Put in a huge pre-season this year and added some beef to his frame and took his running to another level. Still working full time as a bricklayer while playing VFL and is desperate for a shot at the big time. Started off the season well averaging 8 marks and 21 disposals per game.
 
Think old Mick forgot to take his meds. We have only been in the bottom 2 the last 2 seasons. This will likely be a 3rd but that is still lazy journalism.
Same bloke that picked Essendon to win the flag. It’s called going senile.

While the competition exists there will be good and shit sides, it’s the nature of it. If we are shit for the next 5 years then he might have a point.
 
Intercepting half back. 192cm and 86kg. Sudanese background, plays a similar game to Jiath from the hawks.

Was on the western jets list a few years ago but only played a handful of games. Was part of the WB NGA as an underager but never really looked like getting drafted. Previously played on the wing and through the midfield.

Signed with the northern Bullants last year and played a few games across half back about mid way through the year. Played in the under 23’s Young guns game last year and was one of the best on with his decision making and composure with the footy.

Put in a huge pre-season this year and added some beef to his frame and took his running to another level. Still working full time as a bricklayer while playing VFL and is desperate for a shot at the big time. Started off the season well averaging 8 marks and 21 disposals per game.
Mid season prospect?
 
I didn’t know a lot about this kid until this week, but as he’s now on South Adelaide’s list I’ll obviously be seeing a lot of him this year.

Headed to the Panthers game today at Alberton (Port Adelaide Magpies) & will have North Melbourne on in my headphones.

Jye Menzie is a zippy small forward with a knack for finding the goals. Kicked four on debut for us last weekend & was named the SANFL ‘Breakthrough player of the round’ for around 1.

Tassie lad.
Here’s a draft profile from last year (Undrafted) & his highlights from last weekend.
Might be worth a rookie spot?




He kicked 6.1 & laid 4 tackles.
Had a play where the game was in the balance, we were down by a couple of points with about 90 seconds to go & he soccered it forward from the flank, chased the ball down to the pocket (his opponent was slightly ahead of him originally & arrived there first) & laid a tackle on the defender that held the ball in.
We kicked a goal from the subsequent stoppage & won the game.

I’m a HUGE fan.
He’ll go mid-season draft to a team needing a small forward.
 
He kicked 6.1 & laid 4 tackles.
Had a play where the game was in the balance, we were down by a couple of points with about 90 seconds to go & he soccered it forward from the flank, chased the ball down to the pocket (his opponent was slightly ahead of him originally & arrived there first) & laid a tackle on the defender that held the ball in.
We kicked a goal from the subsequent stoppage & won the game.

I’m a HUGE fan.
He’ll go mid-season draft to a team needing a small forward.

I’m honestly surprised he is having such a big impact at SANFL seniors level. He showed some talent as a junior, but he pretty much only impacted 1 in every 4/5 games. Looks like he is putting it altogether now.

It’s such a shame that state league footy in Tas is so average. It really does nothing for the development of the kids on the apple isle.
 
He kicked 6.1 & laid 4 tackles.
Had a play where the game was in the balance, we were down by a couple of points with about 90 seconds to go & he soccered it forward from the flank, chased the ball down to the pocket (his opponent was slightly ahead of him originally & arrived there first) & laid a tackle on the defender that held the ball in.
We kicked a goal from the subsequent stoppage & won the game.

I’m a HUGE fan.
He’ll go mid-season draft to a team needing a small forward.

Between you and Soupp, the board has scouting covered.
 
The Dees were the only club interested last year. You would think a few more clubs would be showing interest now.
Just got an update - Dees, Swans, Blues and us have shown interest in him so far this year.
 
We desperately need a KPD and I hope that we have our eye on Dyson Hilder.
He could be a great mid season draft option for us to develop from SA.
He’s 196cm and 91 kgs.
Was in the same draft year as Comben.
From the limited highlights this kid looks impressive.
Reads it well and good one on one.
Good by foot as well.
Unsure as to what the knock on this kid is, but reckon that we should take a punt on him. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.


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