List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Crimson King]

No West Coast forum user could ever forget Frank.

Wonder what Total Package/Braun2BWild upto these days?

Used to troll the shit out of Fremantle.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

What’s the rule with MSD pick ups ?
If we take them can they just leave at the end of the year or do we get a chance to extend their contract ?
If the former it makes no sense to take a Victorian youngster who doesn’t verbally agree to stay with us

 

[Balls In]

We should just go best available. Don't overcomplicate it.

Now is the time to buffer the squad with the best talent we can, whatever that is.

Pick #1 in the draft proper is when we can go shopping.

 

[swingdog]

We should not be getting any depth players. We should use this to get players with a decent ceiling that happened to not get the run in a covid year.

We already have West and Clark who have shown they can fill in if needed at an AFL level. Would Florenca be much better? Not seen enough but what I saw was a good toiler.

Culley is the obvious. Ramsden another.

Pick 1 or 2 in the midseason should be about getting higher end potential.

Yes!

People concerned about fitting these new players in at end of year, we worry about that then. This is a free hit to find talent. If it means we dump existing players, then so be it. Time to get ruthless.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Yes!

People concerned about fitting these new players in at end of year, we worry about that then. This is a free hit to find talent. If it means we dump existing players, then so be it. Time to get ruthless.

I reckon (hope) the club placing Allen and Edwards on the LTI list so we have 2 spots means this is what we are doing.

The big question is who is that talent. I feel there's a sentiment on this board that Florenca would be a short term "filling a gap" option, which I disagree with. Reckon he has potential to improve and alot to work with personally.

I agree we shouldn't be using pick 1 on him however.

 

[tigger_ferret]

Hodge
Roughead
Thomas
Cotchin
Boyd
Petracca
Played in a winning premiership team at some point. Thats a 15% success rate

Say this upcoming draft is 2015 do we take Weitering as the best player?

Clayton Oliver was the first Mid in the 2015 draft (actually Mills but he was Sydney Academy). So think Melbourne are pretty happy with that result not getting Weitering or Schache.

If anything I would say the 2015 draft reinforces the idea that you draft Mids if you have picks 1 or 2.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So the AFL list size is currently 42.

We have 44 players on our list (excluding Sheppard) with a possibility to get another 2 mid season given the action with Allen and L Edwards. That would bring us to a total list of 46.

We have to take a minimum of 3 picks at the national draft and we currently hold 4 decent picks. 1, 19, 27 (Ports R2) and 37. So I will assume we go for 4 at the ND.

That means we will need to delist a least 8 players and more if we want to trade in someone (hello Bruhn and Robertson) or get some new rookies.

So where might the list cull be?

Retirements 2 definite (total maybe 5)
JK and Hurn are certainties
Shuey is also a possibility given his dodgy hammies
Redden will be 33 in 2023 so a possibility but that is a tough call
Cripps is nearing the end and given Simmo always picks him, I doubt it. Turns 31 in 2023.
West Coast usually allow the captains and favourites to call heir own time. the 3 possibles are not really the Big Trev thing to do

Delist 4 probably (total maybe 9)
Probable
Joyce - cannot get fit which is why Lions let him go
Trew - looking like a miss
Winder - he has not set the world alight although he might earn a reprieve in the back end of 2023
Dixon - looks a good WAFL and depth (we probably need only one of he or Strnadica)

Possible
Jamieson - outside chance and depends on Bailey
Jones - would be considered a tough call but he is 24 and looking fringe. Inconsistency is dogging him.
Naish - at risk but he adds some depth and with a better midfield around him, he might be OK
L Edwards - a little like Naish and placing him on the LTI means unlikely to go
Strnadica - looks a good WAFL and depth but offers more than Dixon

Rookies not at risk - probably only West

Trade 0 (maybe up to 6 but they are speculative)
Trades that free up space but won't get much in trade currency
Nelson - outside chance of requesting a trade home
Petruccelle - ditto
B Williams - ditto

Trades that cut deep
Gaff - he could be sacrificed to a club wanting to add running ability on the wing and might get an early 2nd
Duggan - not likely and he is seen as a future leader but he has stalled in his development. As a R1 - he looks a OK but not a great draft year
Waterman - I would personally like to see him play as a defender. He is fringe best 22 but I cannot see a trade happening given family ties.


And all this we trust in the hands of The Pieman. Oh dear!!! Nisbett wants to give him the respect to leave when he wants to. If he stays, it surely cannot be as list manager but keep as head of recruitment

 

[bzparkes]

We should just go best available. Don't overcomplicate it.

Now is the time to buffer the squad with the best talent we can, whatever that is.

Pick #1 in the draft proper is when we can go shopping.

Drafting best available is what's stuffed us over the past few years, Brander a prime example.

Having said that, if it's a top 3 pick, then it's a no-brainer to do so.

 

[Bender_]

I just want the MSD to come so we can all rage trash this joint no matter who we pick:

 

[Balls In]

Drafting best available is what's stuffed us over the past few years, Brander a prime example.

Having said that, if it's a top 3 pick, then it's a no-brainer to do so.

Brander wasn't best available he is shit. Kelly and Allen were.

 

[Chump Change]

We should just go best available. Don't overcomplicate it.

Now is the time to buffer the squad with the best talent we can, whatever that is.

Pick #1 in the draft proper is when we can go shopping.

The data says that's a dumb idea unless there's a standout. Even then it's questionable.

And given we have pretty much got a clean slate, we have to play the percentages.

To win a flag you have to have 2 absolute top tier mids and the best chance of securing one is with a top 2 pick. While nothing is guaranteed, without a crystal ball, we must play the percentages.

 

[Chump Change]

Brander wasn't best available he is shit

Easy to say in hindsight. I don't recall how highly he was rated but do recall his name being thrown about in Twomey's draft articles. I went and had a look at 2015 u18 AA teams. Lots of players in there who never made it. Lots of highly rated kids just don't make it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Surely we don’t get another tall with our second pick, even with Kennedy doubts.

We are the land of the giants already.

Kennedy, Darling, HUGE Dixon, Williams x2, Waterman, Strnadica, or even swing Gov forward is more than enough forward coverage. Then Gov, Edwards, TB, Jamieson back is enough.

We need young mids. With covid affecting youth teams last year, there’s some hidden gems that have slipped through the cracks. Now is the best time to grab them before the next national draft.

I can handle Florenca with one of the picks, but we have to select a Culley type mid with the second pick.

Don't worry...We'll be taking a tall with out first in Derksen.
He actually looks really good in the vids that I can find, I quite like him. (never seen him live though)

 

[Balls In]

Easy to say in hindsight. I don't recall how highly he was rated but do recall his name being thrown about in Twomey's draft articles. I went and had a look at 2015 u18 AA teams. Lots of players in there who never made it. Lots of highly rated kids just don't make it.

Not true in this case. Kelly was the best of that draft. A mid is what we desperately needed and he was right under our noses for years but for whatever reason our genius recruiters inexplicably went for a "project" KPF. At the time most of us wondered who the hell Brander even was, yeah we threw behind him but within one preseason it was obvious he wasn't an AFL player, let alone a KPF.

 

[ArdentEagle]

We should not be getting any depth players. We should use this to get players with a decent ceiling that happened to not get the run in a covid year.

We already have West and Clark who have shown they can fill in if needed at an AFL level. Would Florenca be much better? Not seen enough but what I saw was a good toiler.

Culley is the obvious. Ramsden another.

Pick 1 or 2 in the midseason should be about getting higher end potential.

Florenca I think is better than a decent portion of our list and in a good bracket age profile wise (for our list)
I'm all for getting him with our 2nd. He'll make our team stronger.

 

[Chump Change]

Not true in this case. Kelly was the best of that draft. A mid is what we desperately needed and he was right under our noses for year but for whatever reason our genius recruiters inexplicably went for a "project" KPF. At the time most of us wondered who the hell Brander even was, yeah we threw behind him but within one preseason it was obvious he wasn't an AFL player, let alone a KPF.

Yeah, i do recall Kelly being talked about. I think he'd just won a sandover or something. Would have saved us a bit if we had grabbed him then.

 

[dinnaz]

So the AFL list size is currently 42.
We have 44 players on our list (excluding Sheppard) with a possibility to get another 2 mid season given the action with Allen and L Edwards. That would bring us to a total list of 46.
We have to take a minimum of 3 picks at the national draft and we currently hold 4 decent picks. 1, 19, 27 (Ports R2) and 37. So I will assume we go for 4 at the ND.
That means we will need to delist a least 8 players and more if we want to trade in someone (hello Bruhn and Robertson) or get some new rookies.
So where might the list cull be?

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+1
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Tom Cole	+2
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	De-list
Luke Edwards	De-list
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	De-list
Luke Strnadica	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Connor West	+1
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
32	6
2	4

 

[Balls In]

Yeah, i do recall Kelly being talked about. I think he'd just won a sandover or something. Would have saved us a bit if we had grabbed him then.

Back then we were in Premiership mode and a gun mid would have been cream in top, but now times have changed and its all rebuild. In my mind the goal is to assemble as many starting quality AFL footballers as possible as quickly as possible. Any position at this point .

 

[Balls In]

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+1
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Tom Cole	+2
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	De-list
Luke Edwards	De-list
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	De-list
Luke Strnadica	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Connor West	+1
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
32	6
2	4

Why are you de-listing Edwards and Jermaine Jones? Also think the Kennedy/Hurn assumption is incorrect.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Yeah, i do recall Kelly being talked about. I think he'd just won a sandover or something. Would have saved us a bit if we had grabbed him then.

He and Ryan were talked about alot, mostly as guys that most this board didn't want to spend anything in the first 3 rounds on

 

[ArdentEagle]

Out Of Contract 2022
Joshua Kennedy	Retire
Shannon Hurn	Retire
Nicholas Naitanui	+1
Luke Shuey	+1
Jack Redden	+1
Willie Rioli	+2
Jackson Nelson	De-list
Tom Cole	+2
Alex Witherden	+2
Patrick Naish	De-list
Bailey Williams	+1
Callum Jamieson	De-list
Luke Edwards	De-list
Isiah Winder	+1
Jamaine Jones	De-list
Luke Strnadica	+1
Hugh Dixon	De-list
Connor West	+1
Tom Joyce	De-list
Zane Trew	De-list
On List	To Draft
32	6
2	4

Personally I'd keep Jones( think you're harsh with this one), Jamieson (wouldn't have said this before Ruck) and Naish (Kid shows potential, needs a proper chance.)

Rest I agree with. Including Edwards who others like.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

J jones will stay , he’s good just needs to find it more .

Has waaaaaay more upside than Edwards, trew, winder, Joyce, stranadica, nelson, rotham etc etc

 

[bh90210fan]

Shuey and Redden have to go before Jones and Edwards, surely. At this stage for me it’s;

Retire;
Hurn
Kennedy
Shuey
Redden

Delist;
Nelson
Trew
Winder
Joyce

Trade;
Williams

Make a judgment on the rest of the squad at the end of the year

 

[Dylan82]

Midfielders 22 or under with pace, can find ball and lack any history of major leg injuries.

Anything else at the mid-season draft will be a waste.

 

[dinnaz]

West Coast: (5143)

1

19

27

37

73

This is our draft hand, so 4 picks taken and maybe a 5th. Before pulling the trigger on any trades that is

Personally I'd keep Jones( think you're harsh with this one), Jamieson (wouldn't have said this before Ruck) and Naish (Kid shows potential, needs a proper chance.)

Rest I agree with. Including Edwards who others like.

I don't mind giving all the extra year to absolutely make sure as all these guys have a case for an extra year, but they have all had a multiple seasons and haven't shown a lot. Jones 6 seasons, Naish 5 seasons aren't realistically going to do more than they are at the moment. In 5 years when we are going again these guys wont be there and i'd prefer better performed senior players to bridge that gap.