Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

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This is going to be a very touchy subject.

There will be a very broad range of opinions about the correct way to handle this.

I'll remind everyone to post respectfully at this time - sniping at each other is not going to help.

Any continued pointless back and forth will get a day or more to cool off. If you want to avoid this fate, let it go.
 
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You’d hope Hood and Wellington would have a bit more of a grasp as to what went on for them both to release similar statements in the past 24 hours. If they don’t know anymore than we do, the 2 statements just have the potential to bite both on the *.

There is no way they could know much more than we do - I understand why the club would tend to back Fages given his history here, and north is pretty much pot-committed to clarko now, but pretty massive risk.

I do hope that we ran the idea of the statement past our indigenous players but suspect given the timing of the off-season this did not occur. Hopefully I’m wrong!
 

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I do hope that we ran the idea of the statement past our indigenous players but suspect given the timing of the off-season this did not occur. Hopefully I’m wrong!

Whilst I agree it would be most unfortunate, you could be reasonably confident the captain and quite possibly a group of senior players were made aware.

And if that group hasn't seen any issue, I'm comfortable.
 
It's a bit rich to say I have no insight, I know why she is doing it. She tied her colours to the Clarkson mast in a messiah role and has no way out. But she should keep here powder dry until she has something to shoot at.
Sonja Hood has been a blessing for North and the appointment of Clarko was an excellent appointment, largely driven by her. How was she to know that the Hawthorn mess would blow up. Surely you can't begrudge her showing support for Clarko on the basis of what she knows - just imagine how hard it must be for Clarko and Fages and their families at this stage with the one-sided media witch hunt and reputational damage all based on the premise of guilty until proven innocent.
 
Sonja Hood has been a blessing for North and the appointment of Clarko was an excellent appointment, largely driven by her. How was she to know that the Hawthorn mess would blow up. Surely you can't begrudge her showing support for Clarko on the basis of what she knows - just imagine how hard it must be for Clarko and Fages and their families at this stage with the one-sided media witch hunt and reputational damage all based on the premise of guilty until proven innocent.
dont bother engaging, absolute waste of time. Still left his reference to Clarkson as a Nazi despite 'retracting' it
 
I think it was the right thing to do to release the statement.

Fagan’s conduct in terms of care for players from the day he got to the lions when we were down in the dumps has been nothing short of exemplary. We ought to stand by him until at least he is afforded a fair process (not a trial by media)

Yes for us backing Fagan is the absolute must, it seems a lot of the current allegations are directed at "he we shall not name".

Though for the sake of the players and supporters if the confidence of guilt or otherwise cannot be achieved beyond all reasonable doubt, in a reasonable time then the club either moves forward or accepts that the issues we live with will make our future much more difficult.

I would just like to humbly point out that it was first Swan, then Noble, then Fagan who made the great strides the club has achieved since the dark ages. Noble is gone, rumours Swan is going and Fagan's future is in limbo.

We have a premiership list, we owe it to those players to find the stability and craft to get them there.
 
You’d hope Hood and Wellington would have a bit more of a grasp as to what went on for them both to release similar statements in the past 24 hours. If they don’t know anymore than we do, the 2 statements just have the potential to bite both on the *.
How does Wellington's support for Chris Fagan as a coach and person have the potential to bite him on the * Surely, he is entitled to support the Chris Fagan (and his family) on the basis of what he knows of Chris and how he has conducted himself at the Lions.
 
There is no way they could know much more than we do - I understand why the club would tend to back Fages given his history here, and north is pretty much pot-committed to clarko now, but pretty massive risk.

I do hope that we ran the idea of the statement past our indigenous players but suspect given the timing of the off-season this did not occur. Hopefully I’m wrong!
You are taking the piss in this post right?
There is no doubt that our club, players & administration know more than we do.
Why would anyone run it past our indigenous players? They are not involved.
 
Sonja Hood has been a blessing for North and the appointment of Clarko was an excellent appointment, largely driven by her. How was she to know that the Hawthorn mess would blow up. Surely you can't begrudge her showing support for Clarko on the basis of what she knows - just imagine how hard it must be for Clarko and Fages and their families at this stage with the one-sided media witch hunt and reputational damage all based on the premise of guilty until proven innocent.

I'm not saying she has been incompetent, to be blindsided is one thing; to throw your whole hand in is another.
 
You are taking the piss in this post right?
There is no doubt that our club, players & administration know more than we do.
Why would anyone run it past our indigenous players? They are not involved.

Ultimately the only people with more info are those who were at hawthorn at the relevant period and the affected families. We know that Clarkson and Fagan deny the events occurred - the club has that denial as well.

Just because someone has been excellent, caring and supportive at our club does not mean they were the same at another one in an different environment and culture. I am not assuming guilt, but there needs to be consideration of risk management just in case there is an adverse finding.

Overall I would also like to see a commitment from our club to look into the treatment of First Nations players in our history - that is something directly within our power to do and address.
 

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Pardon the intrusion.

Just wanted to pass on my condolences to you all, unfortunately both our clubs have been collateral damage to this steaming mess, whilst it appears Hawthorn have wiped their hands of it.

It’s really difficult for us on the outside to really know what’s going to happen.

What I will say is that Sonja Hood is the best operator I can remember at my club for a very long time. Above all the degrees and accolades, she is a very good person with extremely high values. She is also a hard arse & very methodical when she speaks publicly.

Now we know that she has been speaking to Clarkson throughout the last week, getting his “side”. I have no doubt in my mind she would have grilled him on every last detail of these accusations.

I don’t take her comments yesterday lightly. For her to back in Clarkson as she has, tells me she is very confident in his side of events. This isn’t a case of a president just standing up for her coach. Sonja has built a career that revolves around her values of equality, multiculturalism and community. There are implications for her in this.

My view is that after reading the article, speaking to Clarkson in detail, reading the report (which supposedly has been provided to the 3 clubs involved) & speaking to our indigenous players, she is confident to back him in publicly.

This speaks volumes that Clarkson and Fagan will be coaching next year IMO,

Cheers.
 
Geee...who would do that .....or.......Gee, who would call them guiliy and slander their good reputations before the final report is made?

Disgusting the treatment Fagan & Clarkson and their families are enduring at the moment. The stress and trauma they are dealing with right now without having a chance to have their say is immoral and just wrong. I'm often ashamed of who we are becoming as a country these days.

I’m with you mate. I have been watching from overseas for years now. Whenever I travel home I see big differences each time. Some people find it hard to see when they don’t have the opportunity to see it from afar.


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Ultimately the only people with more info are those who were at hawthorn at the relevant period and the affected families. We know that Clarkson and Fagan deny the events occurred - the club has that denial as well.

Just because someone has been excellent, caring and supportive at our club does not mean they were the same at another one in an different environment and culture. I am not assuming guilt, but there needs to be consideration of risk management just in case there is an adverse finding.

Overall I would also like to see a commitment from our club to look into the treatment of First Nations players in our history - that is something directly within our power to do and address.
C'mom Tom14 . We look at people's character & pass judgements of peoples actions based on their history all the time.

We talk about "inclusion" often. How can there be inclusion when we continue to highlight differences and implement different rules for different people.
 
How does Wellington's support for Chris Fagan as a coach and person have the potential to bite him on the * Surely, he is entitled to support the Chris Fagan (and his family) on the basis of what he knows of Chris and how he has conducted himself at the Lions.
No issue at all with him supporting him as his chairman and a friend. I would expect nothing less, but there’s nothing stopping him doing that privately.

We already have the social media trolls basically saying we’re supporting a racist or words to that effect which we know is all bull* and wasn’t the intention of that statement at all. But what we need to remember is, we have become the collateral damage in this situation. Let’s not make it worse for ourselves if we don’t have too.
 
No issue at all with him supporting him as his chairman and a friend. I would expect nothing less, but there’s nothing stopping him doing that privately.

We already have the social media trolls basically saying we’re supporting a racist or words to that effect which we know is all bull* and wasn’t the intention of that statement at all. But what we need to remember is, we have become the collateral damage in this situation. Let’s not make it worse for ourselves if we don’t have too.
F*k the trolls - I would rather back in people who know Fages personally. Wellington is a very calm, measured and balanced Chairman.
 
No issue at all with him supporting him as his chairman and a friend. I would expect nothing less, but there’s nothing stopping him doing that privately.

We already have the social media trolls basically saying we’re supporting a racist or words to that effect which we know is all bull* and wasn’t the intention of that statement at all. But what we need to remember is, we have become the collateral damage in this situation. Let’s not make it worse for ourselves if we don’t have too.
I think the club makes it worse by not saying anything. This was an important statement and well overdue in my opinion. LOYALTY.
 
Going to be a controversial position on this thread, but don’t think we should have put out a statement.

Don’t pre-judge the investigation yes and support the employee as appropriate, not sure we needed to put something out now.

Lol, c'mon you've already got his papers stamped Tom.

If this goes to court, I hope you don't get called up that week for Jury duty.

I think Fagan is in the middle & Clarko is on the right in this pic.

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C'mom Tom14 . We look at people's character & pass judgements of peoples actions based on their history all the time.

We talk about "inclusion" often. How can there be inclusion when we continue to highlight differences and implement different rules for different people.

Because inclusion and differences aren't mutually exclusive, unless your definition of inclusion is assimilation.
 
Lol, c'mon you've already got his papers stamped Tom.

If this goes to court, I hope you don't get called up that week for Jury duty.

I think Fagan is in the middle & Clarko is on the right in this pic.

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I’m the Houdini of jury duty - I tell the court I have a law degree but don’t practice and they send me home very quickly 😉
 
I wonder what has happened for us to issue another statement given how we left our last one.

The Brisbane Lions and Chris have mutually agreed that he will take a leave of absence from the Club so he can fully cooperate in the investigation.

As the matters are now with the AFL Integrity Unit, the Brisbane Lions won't make any further comment at this stage.

I imagine something has changed in the past few days for us to issue a stronger statement in support of the coach. If it was me, I wouldn't have issued another statement but I imagine the club might have more information. Would we have access to the Hawthorn report at this stage?
 

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