List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Eastcoasteagle]

Damn...

Thought Hawks were going to win and we might be a chance at Harley.

Port only just won late too.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Damn...

Thought Hawks were going to win and we might be a chance at Harley.

Port only just won late too.

I was hoping for a draw.

They still have us to play in Tasmania and should beat us. I expect any senior players ready should be given the extra week to be managed no point rushing players back.

 

[CountryLad]

Does today (and all season really) indicate aKPF isn’t really a priority? Curtin as our first pick doesn’t seem exciting with Allen and Waterman coming into their breakout age, not that we couldn’t do with one but not something you spend large currency on. To a lesser extent is spending a second rounder on Georgiades really a good idea? I’d hope we take it to the draft

Georgiades is worth a punt he’s really struggling at the moment at port in the seconds. If we got him cheap enough I’d be happy but I’d be looking at current form and saying a future 2nd at best probably offering 3rd rounders to start.

His kicking is his issue get someone like JK in to work with him and I reckon the confidence would return.

Curtin was really ordinary yesterday he’s got a bit to work out. Hopefully he’s not this years Broadbent.

Outside of H Reid it’s pretty tough trying to put a top 5 together atm all the big names struggled yesterday. Moir, A Reid, Walter, Curtin and Duursma were probably amongst the worst yesterday.

If we had pick 2 or 3 probably Colby McKercher at this point looks a good balanced mid option. Other Mids in the draft include Caiden Cleary and Ryley Sanders as the standouts. Are they as good as last years group probably not though McKercher is in the range.

Nick Watson is bloody 4 foot tall but such a talent. My personal feel on him is a half back role which would be an upgrade on JJ. Hardly a need though.

Will Patton is good and would strengthen the back half but not at a top 5 pick. Philactides the same but a back flanker.

Hardeman played well yesterday and may be around our second pick.

Need the season to move forward really and see more of these guys hopefully a few of the big names had a bad day yesterday.

 

[Spod]

Does today (and all season really) indicate aKPF isn’t really a priority? Curtin as our first pick doesn’t seem exciting with Allen and Waterman coming into their breakout age, not that we couldn’t do with one but not something you spend large currency on. To a lesser extent is spending a second rounder on Georgiades really a good idea? I’d hope we take it to the draft

Yeah at this stage would think using our first on a tall forward would be an odd call. I do think if we could get Georgiades or similar for a mid to low second rounder it probably wouldn't hurt for when Darling calls it a day, but would think tall forwards are now close to our least required position. Still an okay chance JWilliams works out or Barnett ends up there too.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

WAFL West Coast will never be a perfect world, and that's the problem. The WAFL should have accepted our white flag last year.

In a perfect world we align with Perth as we have the same home ground and training facilities.

That way guys could come back from injury and play in the reserves if only playing managed minutes just to get a run into the legs .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Umm This list is in Dire Straits.
Yeo is cooked too.
What do you do when all of your senior leaders are cooked and not offering what they need too?
Are they doing what Isaac Smith still is? They all fooked like Evergrande & Vonovia. Fooked like the PACIFIC is about to be hey.

Jamaine Jones is our best Fwd, Mid & Defender right now. If this game blows out to 100 plus is then it is a coach killer..

WCE Reserves may as well get relegated to B grade Ammos. There are some C grade sides that would beat them right now.

Jones can't defend to save his life . He is a good attacking weapon of the HBF but his opponent has a day out every week .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Georgiades is worth a punt he’s really struggling at the moment at port in the seconds. If we got him cheap enough I’d be happy but I’d be looking at current form and saying a future 2nd at best probably offering 3rd rounders to start.

His kicking is his issue get someone like JK in to work with him and I reckon the confidence would return.

Waterman is having a far superior season . He and Georgiades are very similar as under sized marking key forwards .

It showed today with darling and waterman that Oscar needs another big forward to complement him once darling retires .

I wouldn't want to be giving anything substantial for georgiades .

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

 

[CountryLad]

Waterman is having a far superior season . He and Georgiades are very similar as under sized marking key forwards .

It showed today with darling and waterman that Oscar needs another big forward to complement him once darling retires .

I wouldn't want to be giving anything substantial for georgiades .

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

Well I think you can get Mitch cheap but McDonald may be a different story.

I’m neither for or against Mitch coming it would come down to price and draft picks if he cheap grab him.

 

[Godfather32]

Waterman is having a far superior season . He and Georgiades are very similar as under sized marking key forwards .

It showed today with darling and waterman that Oscar needs another big forward to complement him once darling retires .

I wouldn't want to be giving anything substantial for georgiades .

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

Said it before but Georgiades is the next Mitch McGovern, do not want

 

[Spooky17]

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

FWIW, Curtin’s colts coach thinks Dan has the higher ceiling out of him and Logan when I asked.

Also, why is half this forum calling him Curtain? Is this a Sheed/Shred type autocorrect again?

 

[CountryLad]

FWIW, Curtin’s colts coach thinks Dan has the higher ceiling out of him and Logan when I asked.

Also, why is half this forum calling him Curtain? Is this a Sheed/Shred type autocorrect again?

Yeah I think it has been on my post’s

 

[Schtinker]

Another mid clearance beast we'll have at the end of the year.

After being the Lions' starting sub in the two of the past three games before being dropped to the reserves this week, midfielder Deven Robertson put in a commanding 25-disposal, 12-clearance and two-goal effort.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Weekend results are in and a disappointing Doggies failed to hold their nerve against Port while GWS had a late surge that kept Hawthorn in the pole position for Harley Reid. Suns meanwhile look to be staying inside the Jed Walters pick range.

We are now holding picks 2, 20, 29, 39, 49 and 58.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

I'd hate to see how much Sydney would want for Logan. I would not want to give up too many picks considering where we are in the rebuild. I'd prefer hitting the draft hard this year and next.

And set my sights on someone like Logan, him and Oscar would be a great pairing. If we draft Curtin he would be our swingman but predominately CHB?

 

[Nuffington Post]

Potential trade targets …

2023

Dev Robertson (out of contract)
Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

(out of contract)
Jeremy Sharp (out of contract)
Nathan Broad

35

Nathan Broad

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

192.9

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

192.9

3star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

(RFA)

2024

English (RFA)
Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

(RFA)
Naughton (out of contract)
Logan McDonald (out of contract)
Grainger-Barras (out of contract)

2025

Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

(RFA)
Neil Erasmus (out of contract)


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[briztoon]

Potential trade targets …

2023

Dev Robertson (out of contract)
Jeremy Sharp (out of contract)
Nathan Broad (RFA)

2024

English (RFA)
Sean Darcy (RFA)
Naughton (out of contract)
Logan McDonald (out of contract)
Grainger-Barras (out of contract)

2025

Sam Taylor (RFA)
Neil Erasmus (out of contract)


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So 39 for Robertson.

 

[CountryLad]

FWIW, Curtin’s colts coach thinks Dan has the higher ceiling out of him and Logan when I asked.

Also, why is half this forum calling him Curtain? Is this a Sheed/Shred type autocorrect again?

I hope his coach is right he seemed off in the academy game hopefully he can turn it on in the coming months

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Does today (and all season really) indicate aKPF isn’t really a priority? Curtin as our first pick doesn’t seem exciting with Allen and Waterman coming into their breakout age, not that we couldn’t do with one but not something you spend large currency on. To a lesser extent is spending a second rounder on Georgiades really a good idea? I’d hope we take it to the draft

Not for me. KPF - when you need one, it’s too late.

Darling to steer the ship while Allen blossoms and takes over control. Waterman to chip in where he can. Hopefully a young KPF is where Allen was a few years ago by the time JD wraps up.

Would also absolutely take a punt on MG from Port if he was available, that might move the needle for me on going first round KPF, but I would still like to see the team try to add one essentially every draft until we know we’re onto a proper career long KPF standout.

 

[CountryLad]

Not for me. KPF - when you need one, it’s too late.

Darling to steer the ship while Allen blossoms and takes over control. Waterman to chip in where he can. Hopefully a young KPF is where Allen was a few years ago by the time JD wraps up.

Would also absolutely take a punt on MG from Port if he was available, that might move the needle for me on going first round KPF, but I would still like to see the team try to add one essentially every draft until we know we’re onto a proper career long KPF standout.

Like I’ve said before I’m not for or against Mitch would come down to the price/draft picks we were required to pay.

One thing I think that is a forum myth in here is that we don’t need Mitch because we have Waterman and they are both Tweeners.

Mitch plays a very different type of game to Jake. The only thing similar is there height and that they play as forwards.

Luke Shuey and Andrew Gaff are a similar height and both play midfield but…….

If the club thought they had a role for Mitch and the price is right then go for it.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Yeah, we need a KPF. An injury to Allen or Darling and we are really in strife (more than we already are) and Darling does not have that long left.

I like Waterman but he isnt a KPF as such. More a third tall. A KPF will also take time to develop.

I wouldnt be against MG either but he would have to be cheap. I rated him in his early couple of years. Obviously it’s gone wrong for him lately but if we get him for cheap, I am all for it.

 

[Truckosaurus]

I think we need a KPD more than a KPF. McGovern is on his last legs, I'm not sold at all on Hedwards and Bazzo is 19. This is where I'd be looking for a mature ager to draft or someone on the fringe to poach, because we're going to need one before an 18 year old taken this year is ready.


Ideally one who is a lockdown defender.

 

[WCErevival]

I think we need a KPD more than a KPF. McGovern is on his last legs, I'm not sold at all on Hedwards and Bazzo is 19. This is where I'd be looking for a mature ager to draft or someone on the fringe to poach, because we're going to need one before an 18 year old taken this year is ready.


Ideally one who is a lockdown defender.

Yeah agree. I dont think Hedwards will ever make it. We have Jack Williams as a young KPF that most people forget about.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

It seems to be easier to pick up a KPD later in the draft though so dont think it impacts on our KPF strategy where we will likely need a highish draft pick.

Let’s face it, we need quality across every line. KPD, rebounding HBF, lock down defender for smalls, more mids, a ruck, small forward and KPF. We also need pace. So… I just depressed myself.

 

[FKASC]

IMO we should delist a heap of players and just draft a bunch of KPP with mid-late picks. At worst they can become serviceable KPDs

 

[Obeanie1]

Waterman is having a far superior season . He and Georgiades are very similar as under sized marking key forwards .

It showed today with darling and waterman that Oscar needs another big forward to complement him once darling retires .

I wouldn't want to be giving anything substantial for georgiades .

Try poach logan MacDonald from Sydney at the end of next year and add English as a free agent

Georgiades is a point of difference from Waterman and Darling. He can jump and take pack marks.

Waterman is a leading FF.

Darling is a leading FF / CHF who is good in a body on body contest.

Allen is smart on the lead but can also contest a mark.