List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Monocle]

What we all need to accept ( and this isn’t pleasant reading ) is that we as a Club have let standards slip and it’s now manifesting itself in many ways.

We are no longer a Destination Club for those wanting to return home, let alone other quality non West Australian players to be enticed West.
We aren’t and won’t be contenders for at least another 4 maybe 5 years.
So we all need to suck it up and be appreciative of the incredibly amazing sustained run that we have had thus far over the life of the Club.

However we need to acknowledge:

That as a Club we have lost its mojo and lustre.

Complacency has set in and a reluctance to change has hampered our efforts to stay leaders, let alone stay abreast of the pack.

Conservatism comes at a cost, while it offers short term stability is leaves it self vulnerable to innovation and advancement.
It’s how Apple knocked off IBM.
The same old same old got left behind.

Football by nature of its constant analysis is ever evolving and those who fail to evolve fast enough, soon fall to the way side.

Sadly that’s us.

Now I do very much understand the cyclical nature of form swings and list peaks and troughs, that still doesn’t excuse us from haven fallen away as badly as we have as a collective.

Good word that “collective” as it’s seems to be the Club Word of the moment ….well ok that and synergy.

As a COLLECTIVE we in the last few years have been either bottom or second bottom of the ladder in the mens and womens competition and also the WAFL.

Now that’s super frustrating, but …. !

We all need to remain strong, suck up the shitty feeling that we get and experience when it’s our turn to be cellar dwellers.
It makes the good times even more enjoyable when they return and they will return.

But right at the minute there seems to be a lot of work for the Club to do to right the listing ship.

The Club - ie The Board and Trev have tried to reassure us that there is change in the wings and that they appreciate our support and patience.

That said it never fills me with confidence when the people who got us into this situation in the first place, are the very same people, who now try to assure us that they are the right people to work towards leading the Club out of the wilderness ….. ummm not sure or convinced that it quite works that way.

I will admit that I am an open antagonist on the push to see Nisbett move on, great servant and loyal person but the indicators are strongly suggesting and supporting, the fact that he is yesterdays man.

Similarly I am ambivalent to the Simpson contract, made less concerning for me by the fact that who ever is in charge of the the transition ( clubs not big on the rebuild word ) is on a bit of a hiding to nothing, so it is what it is and I am less than convinced that a change will make much difference in the short term.

Am I dubiously questioning if he is the correct person to lead us to our next tilt at a Flag ….. probably , but that’s another matter.

One real positive I will leave on is that the Eagles AFLW team and list seem to have turned the corner and give us supporter some genuine hope.

The two mens teams …… sadly not so much.

So we need to stay supportive of the team and Club and ride the shitty times out.
We are going to be shit for at least another three season, we don’t have to like it however them’s the facts Jack.

So best we just accept it and hope for better seasons to come and unlike some other Clubs ( cough chevrons cough ) be greatfull of the good times that we have had.

 

[Avalor]

A few observations

• Greg Clark is not an AFL quality player.
• West isn't either.
• Jai Culley would want to get a lot harder at the ball and player because at the moment he's on Greg's level. Hopefully he's out of contract at the end of the year. Might create some urgency.
• Jayden Hunt could be our worst signing in terms of list/premiership build for some time. Is he there to teach dudes how to run? Are we a contender? No. So WTF was he recruited for?
• Bailey Williams is the worst ruckman we've ever had. In the ammos I rucked or stood in for 20 years on and off, literally. If you're undersized, and are struggling to get first hand on it you have to be aggressive and run through the other ruckman to kill it, create a dead ball so your mids can get to work. The weak prick is just passive. And when he does actually get first hand it's rarely to advantage. Nic must look on in disbelief.
• Jack Darling needs to be traded. Waterman has more impact than him now.

A failed attempt at trolling.

 

[DanWCE]

At least now we'll get zingers like "Condon protects Cox as the ball spits out"

 

[WCErevival]

Are there any decent early-mid 20 year old mids we could target now that we know Shuey and Yeo are cooked? Someone to help Kelly lead the younger brigade. And I dont mean other clubs dregs. Someone that is a solid best 22.

 

[plays tall 1]

Regarding Condon, I expect the prospects of success would be a factor, as well as a number of other things such as demonstrated ability to develop young players, travel factor and fitness/injury management. A hard sell for our club at the moment.

 

[Farang83150]

At least now we'll get zingers like "Condon protects Cox as the ball spits out"

Don't think Cox will still be up and about by the time Condon's rolled out!

 

[Obeanie1]

In a team chock full of plodders and not very good afl players to think that Hunt is the lightening rod for singling out this year is very odd.

Think you missed my point.

I was comparing the quality and number of father sons and free agents Collingwood land versus us.

Collingwood is a destination club.

We aren't.

Hence maybe why the young fella chose the Pies!

 

[Cuzz09]

We could've sold him on the "you'll probably plat next week coz we're dropping like flies" line

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[Eastern Rangers]

Condors eligibility for cat-B selection is a bit of a piss take. Nobody going through state junior programs should be eligible.

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[garlic munchers]

Disagree, we were always going to drop down the ladder at some point it’s the nature of the system.

I’d agree if you said we went a year to late but realistically we had no draft collateral in 2020 anyway so during the 2021 season the club decided a “list transition” was required. With hindsight, we all know what happened last year and it’s now turned into a rebuild.

The issue with a lot of the outrage we see in the forums is it’s simply either wrong or misdirected which lead to my comment about Fremantle.

So many think it’s like fixing a tap. Put a new washer in it and it’s no longer leaking.

So they will attack Bailey Williams, Tom Barrass yesterday, Greg Clarke or Connor West just to name a few like it’s there fault that we are so bad or they are the reason we lost and if we get rid of them then problem fixed.

The reality is that all lists have players that are finding there (speculative or recently drafted) way or aren’t at the level required and this shows out even more when a side is struggling.

The issue is that our top isn’t good enough not that certain players that are role players are s**t or pathetic like some posters claim.

Some of these players are giving it there absolute best but are being overwhelmed because we don’t have the A grade talent around them like for instance Geelong do.

Attacking these players is a very Fremantle supporter thing to do but maybe I’m wrong and it’s a West Coast Eagles thing too.

Nothing in my post purported to place blame on the players (albeit some blame needs to be apportioned), so not sure why 95% of your post is about player blaming?

And nothing in your post supports a contention that we are any different to Fremantle ATM.

We are clearly destined for an extended period of time at the bottom of the ladder and yes everyone knows the draft allows us to rebuild if we finish down the bottom.

But some of the decision making on handing out long term Contracts and keeping on players that clearly not going to take us forward is baffling.

Pretty much no one external to WC seems to be buying in to what the hierarchy is selling, but yeah sure, they are all just biased against us.

Anyway, we are certainly going to see who are rusted on WC supporters over the next 3 years and crowd numbers will certainly be telling going forward.

 

[Rowan18]

I don't get this destination club thing. If you're around the top of the ladder you're a destination club, if you're at the bottom then you're not. It's pretty simple.

The only exceptional is when clubs like Freo go a bit silly and start overpaying for B grade players (Hogan, Lobb, Hill etc etc). You don't ever want to become that type of destination club.

 

[CountryLad]

Nothing in my post purported to place blame on the players (albeit some blame needs to be apportioned), so not sure why 95% of your post is about player blaming?

And nothing in your post supports a contention that we are any different to Fremantle ATM.

We are clearly destined for an extended period of time at the bottom of the ladder and yes everyone knows the draft allows us to rebuild if we finish down the bottom.

But some of the decision making on handing out long term Contracts and keeping on players that clearly not going to take us forward is baffling.

Pretty much no one external to WC seems to be buying in to what the hierarchy is selling, but yeah sure, they are all just biased against us.

Anyway, we are certainly going to see who are rusted on WC supporters over the next 3 years and crowd numbers will certainly be telling going forward.

My original post was about the ordinary posts over the weekend that were at Fremantle forum level. These posts were mainly to do with peeps taking aim at particular players.

You’re the one that has gone off on a tangent about WAFL sides and player’s contracts and us being like Fremantle the club.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Good to see we are top of the ladder in something!

Jokes aside, we should be pretty happy on how we are poised with a rebuild.

We had strong draft hands in 2021 and 2022 and from most views we are pretty happy with those 2 hauls (Chesser's inability to get on the park being my once main concern).

We are holding the best hand in the 2023 draft in what I believe is a pretty strong draft year (WRT the Port v Academy games, normally the Academy team look pretty ordinary in the early season game so I take little out of the game).

 

[Obeanie1]

Are there any decent early-mid 20 year old mids we could target now that we know Shuey and Yeo are cooked? Someone to help Kelly lead the younger brigade. And I dont mean other clubs dregs. Someone that is a solid best 22.

Like Dev Robertson!

You may have heard of him........on here.

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't get this destination club thing. If you're around the top of the ladder you're a destination club, if you're at the bottom then you're not. It's pretty simple.

The only exceptional is when clubs like Freo go a bit silly and start overpaying for B grade players (Hogan, Lobb, Hill etc etc). You don't ever want to become that type of destination club.

Collingwood and Port attract players no matter where they are on the ladder.

 

[ArdentEagle]

****ing Condon...What a Mr ********!!!

*Let's make it a boardism people. Best one in years.

 

[WCErevival]

Like Dev Robertson!

You may have heard of him........on here.

Probably need to re-read. I said solid best 22 and not other clubs dregs.

 

[Obeanie1]

Probably need to re-read. I said solid best 22 and not other clubs dregs.

Maybe you need to do some reading and learn some basics.

Targeting fringe players of teams contending is exactly where you look. Especially young players just on the fringe.

Like Dev Robertson.

Gets played as the sub. That's a fringe player.

Played some good finals games last season. Fans love him.

Coach has some favourites with credits in the bank ahead of him. Sounds familiar.

Remember Josh Kennedy movi g from the Hawks to Swans. Couldn't get a game as Hawks midfield was very strong.

Was he a dud? No he wasn't.

 

[Farang83150]

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******* Condon...What a Mr ********!!!

*Let's make it a boardism people. Best one in years.

He does have roots at Collingwood !

Dick Condon - Wikipedia

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[WCErevival]

Maybe you need to do some reading and learn some basics.

Targeting fringe players of teams contending is exactly where you look. Especially young players just on the fringe.

Like Dev Robertson.

Gets played as the sub. That's a fringe player.

Played some good finals games last season. Fans love him.

Coach has some favourites with credits in the bank ahead of him. Sounds familiar.

Remember Josh Kennedy movi g from the Hawks to Swans. Couldn't get a game as Hawks midfield was very strong.

Was he a dud? No he wasn't.

But how often does it happen though? Kennedy is one example from almost 15 years ago. There aren't many others. Targeting fringe players rarely ever amounts to anything. They usually end up being fringe players in your own team.

Its not really what I'm asking anyway. The original plan was for either Shuey and Yeo to play on an extra year or 2 to over see the youth while they get experienced. Now that we know they cant play midfield anymore its left a bit of a hole with Kelly the only real mid. Ideally we could get someone experienced to help out while the Ginbeys, Hewitts find their feet. Like a Redden.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

But how often does it happen though? Kennedy is one example from almost 15 years ago. There aren't many others. Targeting fringe players rarely ever amounts to anything. They usually end up being fringe players in your own team.

Its not really what I'm asking anyway. The original plan was for either Shuey and Yeo to play on an extra year or 2 to over see the youth while they get experienced. Now that we know they cant play midfield anymore its left a bit of a hole with Kelly the only real mid. Ideally we could get someone experienced to help out while the Ginbeys, Hewitts find their feet. Like a Redden.

There are clubs who target fringe better than others. I agree that the likes of Ah Chee did not work out. Sydney and Collingwood have usually done better than others.

Fringe at Sydney - Darcy Cameron. Traded to Pies for peanuts and has worked out pretty well.
Fringe at Bulldogs - Pat Lipinski. Traded to Pies for peanuts and has worked out pretty well.
Fringe at Brisbane - Ben Keays. Plays his role very well at Crows.
Fringe at Suns - Will Brodie. Was outstanding in the Dockers midfield last year and again on the weekend.
Sydney have a long record of getting fringe players as role players in their team and do extremely well. Hickey was a recent example.

Based on 2022, I would have put SPS as a fail with us but since he has been settled and enjoying life, he has been pretty good for us in 2023.

 

[BOND 007]

BOND 007 - do you have any insight that you can share on the Condon selection of Collingwood?

My hope was that Trevor loosened up the purse strings and made him an offer the other clubs could not match. There again, maybe there were other issues at play

1) Not overly interested in football nowdays & 2) wants to be based in a city that offers more than Perth

 

[FKASC]

Bockertson and Gunstgiades

 

[RanaNaved]

Good to see we are top of the ladder in something!

Jokes aside, we should be pretty happy on how we are poised with a rebuild.

We had strong draft hands in 2021 and 2022 and from most views we are pretty happy with those 2 hauls (Chesser's inability to get on the park being my once main concern).

We are holding the best hand in the 2023 draft in what I believe is a pretty strong draft year (WRT the Port v Academy games, normally the Academy team look pretty ordinary in the early season game so I take little out of the game).

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Yeah I'm very happy with the last two years, particularly last year, Long and Ginbey seem to have 'it'.

We're going to have to wait for Long, Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Bazzo, Culley, Chesser, Burgiel, Barnett, LEdwards, + this year's and next year's drafted players to mature, as they will be the nucleus of our next strong team.

Could take a few years, but Eagles fans are patient......

 

[Farang83150]

WC has THE most impatient group of supporters in the comp.... Kids must be guns and run out full games immediately!!