Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

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I'm not opposed to hard calls, but they can be made in ways that value a person's dignity and don't embarrass the organisation.

As for unity, a footy club is always a great place when you're winning.
There was no real dignified way to axe rutten when the club was obviously in chaos
i do not believe there will be complete unity until Sheedy and dodoro have left
and we know that footy clubs always have their factions anyway
 
Agree
we need to nail this years first round pick with a forward/ midfield type. ironically Humphrey or phillipou suits our needs far greater than tsatsas from a list perspective
I was rooting for Phillipou or Humphrey in that order last year. We have Tsatas so I'll still cheer. Maybe he takes Durham's or Snello's place in time but he needs to build his strength. Plenty of VFL watchers already lamenting his lack of a defensive body.
 

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I’d like to see Scott tweaking our game plan now with an eye to finals.

The confidence of the team is high - I know there will be reluctance to tinker too much given it’s a development year, but we’ll get walloped in finals with the current game plan.
 
Agree
we need to nail this years first round pick with a forward/ midfield type. ironically Humphrey or phillipou suits our needs far greater than tsatsas from a list perspective
Humphrey absolutely
Wrecking ball player with polish and class.
I wasn't too enamoured by phillipou when we have perkins and langford.
 
I’d like to see Scott tweaking our game plan now with an eye to finals.

The confidence of the team is high - I know there will be reluctance to tinker too much given it’s a development year, but we’ll get walloped in finals with the current game plan.
I like the controlling the game through possession game. There was a moment in the 4th where we made the clock an impossible hurdle for carlton. Rather than just attacking.
Some great leadership out there (hepp, redman, ridley, zach) reading the game

Get parish and setterfield back and then we can turn the dial to finals footy style play.
 
There was no real dignified way to axe rutten when the club was obviously in chaos
i do not believe there will be complete unity until Sheedy and dodoro have left
and we know that footy clubs always have their factions anyway.
Yeah, no easy way with Rutten but they could have handled it better.

Re Sheedy & Dodoro,

When was the last Sheedy headline? Nothing since Scott took over. Scott has embraced Sheedy and he said as much on Footy Classified, basically killed the scuttlebutt in one sentence, even silenced Caro & co. This is a massive win for our club. The Transparency and unity Scott has bought can't be overstated. I suspect even Sheedy is completely onboard now.

Dodoro has recruited well over the last few years and there is a whole team of recruiters. Suspect Scott will have a say now too. The list management at years end will be interesting. Not here or there whether he stays or not IMO.

The big thing is the club have now put footy first. For too long it was about the corporate branding and non footy guff and the true essence of the club was lost.

For me, the last piece of puzzle would be if Scott could somehow bring Hird back to the club minus all crap. The way Scott diffused the Sheedy situation, I think he could actually achieve this.
 
Love that he made the move to put merrett in the forward line to start the 3rd
Funny- we under siege for most of second quarter and despite the scoreboard, we were headed for a loss. I did ponder at half-time what changes we could make…..and can say that one never occurred to me.

It feels good to have a coach who clearly sees the game in way that very few do. His in-game adjustments have generally been excellent all year.
 
Call Me Cake, you think Barham's handling of the coaching change was done professionally. Okay. Wow.

I'll let August 22 me reply to this,

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What wasn't professional was us treading water for 15 years doing the same old thing. The means, sometimes require the measures. If anything, Truck never should have gotten the job in the first place, the entire succession plan was a farce and doomed to fail from the beginning.

In regards to Scott, it's for him to establish and the club to work towards. No one knows what'll come of it. But what I do know, and have always known, is that the outcome of what happened last year, from the board to the coach, was bigger than this year, or the next, or the next after that. It was massive when it came to the cultural/structural shift that we've needed this entire time - and at least this time, we're better placed than ever to work towards anything of note/longevity.

Over and out.
 
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Okay, with hindsight this morning perhaps calling him a dog was a bit much.

Yes, he has made some positive changes.

Yes, the way he handled the coaching change over was unprofessional and yes, Rutten was treated like trash. "One fell swoop" is an exaggeration. Like a hack he hacked it through.
I agree, Truck could've been handled better. But in their defence, it was a very confusing time. They had to act quickly but still had basically a split board with Sheedy seemingly back and forth. One direction pulling for Hird, one for Truck and one for a reset - all as time was running out. No doubt keeping Truck was floated during their haste.

Well, one fell swoop is pretty accurate. You hardly see that much action at a club in a decade, but he did it in a few weeks. Only heads missing were Dodoro/Mahoney but that may be rectified this year.

The way In see it; if "acting professionally" got us a decade of nice guy mediocrity and "acting unprofessionally" got us 90% of the changes most realists were hoping for within one month, give me unprofessional every damn time.
 
I'll let past me do the work in replying to this,

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I remember claiming it was a pivotal moment for the club when everyone was having a laugh at me after that infamous Barham presser.

What wasn't professional was us treading water for 15 years doing the same old thing. The means, sometimes require the measures. If anything, Truck never should have gotten the job in the first place, the entire succession plan was a farce and doomed to fail from the beginning.


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In regards to Scott, it's for him to establish and the club to work towards. No one knows what'll come of it. But what I do know, and have always known, is that the outcome of what happened last year, from the board to the coach, was bigger than this year, or the next, or the next after that. It was massive when it came to the cultural/structural shift that we've needed this entire time - and at least this time, we're better placed than ever to work towards anything of note/longevity.

Over and out.
lol you're surely not treating Scott's success as vindication for the Rutten & Clarko saga hence dredging up posts from August? If everything had have gone to the board's plan, we'd currently be sitting with a caretaker coach while our new head coach would be on stress leave pending the outcome for the Hawthorn racism investigation. We tin-assed our way to Brad Scott last year and we were lucky he was willing to talk to us after we'd already sacked our incumbent coach and been rejected by our preferred option. That happened in September 2022.
 

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lol you're surely not treating Scott's success as vindication for the Rutten & Clarko saga hence dredging up posts from August? If everything had have gone to the board's plan, we'd currently be sitting with a caretaker coach while our new head coach would be on stress leave pending the outcome for the Hawthorn racism investigation. We tin-assed our way to Brad Scott last year and we were lucky he was willing to talk to us after we'd already sacked our incumbent coach and been rejected by our preferred option. That happened in September 2022.

These posts were from after Clarko chose elsewhere.

In the aftermath of that, people, like you, were screaming about it all being doom and gloom. That our failure to attain Clarko meant the entire restructure was done and dusted or had no purpose beyond that. That we'd be left with picking up the pieces for years to come and to be ready for armageddon.

Hence, my posts were in relation to that not being the case, that the moment was a change for good when looking at the bigger picture, that it was a blessing in disguise.

What we had was a board that wanted the best for the club and wanting to do what had to be done to get it. And credit to them, they didn't capitulate or fracture after that presser, the board went back and took their time to evaluate the club, and brought in someone who had some idea of instilling structure and a game plan.

Truck had to go either way, we'd have been a year behind with him at the helm regardless. But it was the restructure of the club and the shedding of dead weight that was the bigger fish we had to try. I was trying to open your eyes at the time but instead, almost a year later, you still peddle the same baloney.

Also even if we go back to before Clarko's denial of us, lol at you for trying to use the current Hawks scandal to demean the intentions of the board as if they somehow had the foresight ahead of everyone else about what was to come. What a pathetic stretch.
 
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These posts were from after Clarko chose elsewhere.

In the aftermath of that, people, like you, were screaming about it all being doom and gloom. That our failure to attain Clarko meant the entire restructure was done and dusted or had no purpose beyond that. That we'd be left with picking up the pieces for years to come and to be ready for armageddon.

Hence, my posts were in relation to that not being the case, that the moment was a change for good when looking at the bigger picture, that it was a blessing in disguise.

What we had was a board that wanted the best for the club and wanting to do what had to be done to get it. And credit to them, they didn't capitulate or fracture after that presser, the board went back and took their time to evaluate the club, and brought in someone who had some idea of instilling structure and a game plan.

Truck had to go either way, we'd have been a year behind with him at the helm regardless. But it was the restructure of the club and the shedding of dead weight that was the bigger fish we had to try. I was trying to open your eyes at the time but instead, almost a year later, you still peddle the same baloney.

Also even if we go back to before Clarko's denial of us, lol at you for trying to use the current Hawks scandal to demean the intentions of the board as if they somehow had the foresight ahead of everyone else about what was to come. What a pathetic stretch.
Can you let me know when you're done editing your post?
 
I'll let past me do the work in replying to this,

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I remember claiming it was a pivotal moment for the club when everyone was having a laugh at me after that infamous Barham presser.

What wasn't professional was us treading water for 15 years doing the same old thing. The means, sometimes require the measures. If anything, Truck never should have gotten the job in the first place, the entire succession plan was a farce and doomed to fail from the beginning.


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In regards to Scott, it's for him to establish and the club to work towards. No one knows what'll come of it. But what I do know, and have always known, is that the outcome of what happened last year, from the board to the coach, was bigger than this year, or the next, or the next after that. It was massive when it came to the cultural/structural shift that we've needed this entire time - and at least this time, we're better placed than ever to work towards anything of note/longevity.

Over and out.
I agree, Truck could've been handled better. But in their defence, it was a very confusing time. They had to act quickly but still had basically a split board with Sheedy seemingly back and forth. One direction pulling for Hird, one for Truck and one for a reset - all as time was running out. No doubt keeping Truck was floated during their haste.

Well, one fell swoop is pretty accurate. You hardly see that much action at a club in a decade, but he did it in a few weeks. Only heads missing were Dodoro/Mahoney but that may be rectified this year.

The way In see it; if "acting professionally" got us a decade of nice guy mediocrity and "acting unprofessionally" got us 90% of the changes most realists were hoping for within one month, give me unprofessional every damn time.
So we agree that Barham was unprofessional. Good then.

Scott is now doing a fantastic job and is an excellent choice.
 
Scott WILL have a period where the team is truly struggling. How the club handles that is the test of whether we have improved as a club.

This is not a criticism of Scott, either. Every new coach has issues at some point

It's time to stop the division. Back the coach and the football department for the contracted time.

Whatever has been done, is done. Scott is our man.
 
Scott WILL have a period where the team is truly struggling.

Yes. Of course. I think we all know given the youth and experience of the list that this is to come.

However, it's less about wins and losses, it's about how we play during them. Are we doing the basics but falling short in the last execution? Are we keeping up our tackles but inaccurate? Are we blooding the youth when they deserve it? Are we seeing tactical changes during a match that doesn't necessarily end up in a win but improves our effort/performance?

These are all things that we should be looking at regardless of where we are on the ladder. I will use that stretch of games where we lost 4 in a row... yeah we lost, but we weren't pulling down the walls and wallowing over it, we recognized that the way we went about it was good enough.
 
So we agree that Barham was unprofessional. Good then.

Scott is now doing a fantastic job and is an excellent choice.
You can simultaneously be happy with the appointment of Scott and be unhappy about:
-> moving to sack Rutten and hire Clarko because Clarko was about to be signed by North or GWS
-> not doing background checks or due process on selecting Clarko
-> hiring the guy you hired to find your CEO, as your CEO, and then firing him because you didn't do a background check
etc.

This thread is now a weird victory lap where the two weeks of bullshit in August 2022 were always forseen to deliver us to Brad Scott, weird because I don't remember his name mentioned once.
 
So we agree that Barham was unprofessional. Good then.

Scott is now doing a fantastic job and is an excellent choice.
I genuinely would love to see you spill a board in a very public environment, create mass changes of seemingly immortal individuals that were needed in a short time frame - and do it in a "professional" way.

Commentary around him at the time from many - including Matthew Lloyd - said Barham was a brash individual and made big/unorthodox calls to get results.

Ultimately it's semantical at this point. But I'm taking results over more pencil pushing, nice guy "professionalism" every time.
 
You can simultaneously be happy with the appointment of Scott and be unhappy about:
-> moving to sack Rutten and hire Clarko because Clarko was about to be signed by North or GWS
-> not doing background checks or due process on selecting Clarko
-> hiring the guy you hired to find your CEO, as your CEO, and then firing him because you didn't do a background check
etc.

This thread is now a weird victory lap where the two weeks of bullshit in August 2022 were always forseen to deliver us to Brad Scott, weird because I don't remember his name mentioned once.
Spot on.
 
You can simultaneously be happy with the appointment of Scott and be unhappy about:
-> moving to sack Rutten and hire Clarko because Clarko was about to be signed by North or GWS
-> not doing background checks or due process on selecting Clarko
-> hiring the guy you hired to find your CEO, as your CEO, and then firing him because you didn't do a background check
etc.

This thread is now a weird victory lap where the two weeks of bullshit in August 2022 were always forseen to deliver us to Brad Scott, weird because I don't remember his name mentioned once.

Lol mate, you weren't singing the doom and gloom song back then because Clarko was going to be privy to some scandal or "background checks", you were complaining because we didn't get him, and that the aftermath of that would result to some circus.

Don't try and switch this narrative that you saw the scandal coming and it was because of that, that you were trashing the board at the time.

Our board was restructured, our aims were altered, dead weight (which had the audacity to appoint Rutten in the first place) was shedded, and in the aftermath of Clarko choosing North, fractures didn't take place, nor did we lose sight of what was the overall reason for change in the first place: to be more competitive and stop the same old BS.

There is no "victory lap" here, it's just you not being humble enough to just accept that drastic change was needed, and for however we've come out of it, we have a better chance at a future than we've had in the last 20 years. You're trying to do a victory lap yourself despite no victory. Get your hand off it, Nuggs. Move on. You and ghost.
 
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Lol mate, you weren't singing the doom and gloom song back then because Clarko was going to be privy to some scandal or "background checks", you were complaining because we didn't get him, and that the aftermath of that would result to some circus.

Don't try and switch this narrative that you saw the scandal coming and it was because of that, that you were trashing the board at the time.

Our board was restructured, our aims were altered, dead weight (which had the audacity to appoint Rutten in the first place) was shedded, and in the aftermath of Clarko choosing North, fractures didn't take place, nor did we lose sight of what was the overall reason for change in the first place: to be more competitive and stop the same old BS.

There is no "victory lap" here, it's just you being insecure and not being humble enough to just accept that drastic change was needed, and for however we've come out of it, we have a better chance at a future than we've had in the last 20 years. You're trying to do a victory lap yourself despite no victory. Get your hand off it, Nuggs. Move on. You and ghost.
Nah, this is what I said to you in August last year. As all will be able to see, it's a vastly different narrative from the shit you're throwing up.

We did it to ourselves; what happened was a direct result of us bringing in Hird without any obvious semblance of process and affording him a long lead because he was an Essendon person. It's a cautionary tale that should be remembered by us and any other sporting club around the world that's looking to shake things up in a bid to get to the top. Hence, the way we talk about dumping Rutten for a Clarko is scary because it suggest we haven't learned anything.

As said before, if he's not the right person for the job then so be it, we don't renew his contract after next year and we part ways. Between now and then we should be interviewing several candidates and turning over more positions than just the coach so the football department can have a properly fresh start. But more than anything, we need to find out why all of Knights, Hird, Thompson, Worsfold and Rutten have failed at getting anything more than mid-tier results out of the team across 15 seasons and why not once in that period have we been able to implement a gameplan consistently.

I'm gonna throw you on ignore after this one. The other day I was playing golf with one of my friends who insisted there was nothing wrong with his golf swing because he could still skull **** the ball 100m with his 4 iron and this conversation is giving me serious shades of that.
 
Scott WILL have a period where the team is truly struggling. How the club handles that is the test of whether we have improved as a club.

This is not a criticism of Scott, either. Every new coach has issues at some point

It's time to stop the division. Back the coach and the football department for the contracted time.

Whatever has been done, is done. Scott is our man.

This is a big one for me. If we make finals and get flogged again we can expect all the usual suspects to come have a laugh at the streak continuing etc. I just hope the club puts its head down, forgets the past and treats it as one single loss, not as part of some trend stretching back to when Scott was a player.
 

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